2018 Recruiting Thread
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 He has already been to KU on his on dime back in Jan, - -and we make his list after he cuts, which I feel we will that will be his 2nd visit. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Are you talking about Grimes or Dotson. I was referring to Grimes in the post.
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@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ok, so I have a question, I’m confused, what a surprise right? It’s dealing with our recruiting, it concerns one 2018 recruit & one 2019 recruit.
The 1st one is 2018 recruit Nassir Little. Read an interview the Phog did with him. He was asked what schools was he hearing from the most/now? - - He said UCLA, Arizona, Oregon. NC, and Duke. Then he was asked what he was hearing from KU, he said KU liked his versatility and they feel they can play him at any position and create mis-matches, When they have smaller guards he could post them down low and the bigger guards he can take away to the wing or take them to the basket.
He says After the Summer probably will trim his list, and then some time next spring make his commit. - -Was asked if KU was stil in the mix he says FOR SURE.
Then 2019 Recruit Matthew Hurt. Again was asked who was the schools he was hearing from or who the main schools were ? -He stated Duke, Louisville, Minnesota, & Indiana. He was asked about the KU offer, he said they love his game, that he is KU’s # 1 guy - -but then also said he was going to take recruiting process step by step - - -Said the one’s he hears from are Howard and Self
Was then asked what he thought about KU ? - -Great Culture, Always finds a way deep into the tournament, &Great place to live. So here is where it is confusing to me, on both of these guys, if we suppose to be so much in the mix then why when they are asked who the Schools they are hearing the most from - - WHY is KU not listed by them? - - - -KU not listed on the schools who is on Little all the time but yet still definitely in the nix same with Hurt. – If these guy are big time targets - -shouldn’t we be all over these guys everyday like the others ?
Another name that came to surface, name might of already been mentioned but new for me - - - Montez Mathis ranked # 66 and is a team mate of Quickley. - His schools are Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Xavier , Missouri , U Conn , Texas A & M & KU. – said the KU staff contact him almost daily really excited getting a KU offer - That Coach Roberts is a regular Contact. he is 6’4 guard he says KU has told him they like his motor. Says after the July Evaluation is over he plans on trimming his list - -then take his visits then set his date to commit. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who’s a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That’s probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
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Little is going to be a 5 star wing by the end of summer. If he signs late we might have a chance but looks like Arizona has made him priority #1 according to what he said.
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I’m not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he’s going to struggle defending at the next level. We’ll see how he progresses going forward.
Mathis is a backup plan but could be one KU looks to take with either Grimes/Dotson. Matt seems to think KU isn’t in his top 2 choices right now.
I believe the live period ends after this weekend.
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jayballer54 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Dotson’s latest Q&A with Slater… Positives for KU.
Florida is definitely the other contender with Miami, Maryland & Arizona pushing for him as well. I think Dotson will sign in the fall.
Florida insider seems to think they have him…
Ya Since I’ve read his latest this morning, now am leaning more towards what you said previously. - - -Sounds to me like more and more this will end up coming down to a KU/Florida battle in the end run. Miami there, BUT just the way I read into things sounds like these two to me. He said he had already been on the KU campus unofficially this past Jan, and after he cuts his schools after the live period and makes his visits I just feel we make that cut & then he will make his official visit here. I understand Arizona is one of the eight, but on this one I don’t think they play as much of a factor as in others. Be nice to get him on a 2nd visit.
This has been my guy this recruiting season, liked him from the get go. He came away from KU with a pretty good impression " REALLY LOUD saying he thought his ears were about ready to fall off, Super loud, and they fans with the chants" Devon is a very strong ball handler, the article says he dominated the Under Armour camp, leading in points, and Steals. Was asked what he wanted to work on in August and he said his outside shot, & consistency. They also said that a lot of pg’s are a little soft but opponents who have played against Devon say they feel it after a game against him - - -his response is he likes to play physical - -play hard.
Of our competition for him Devon stated that Florida has been in contact with him Forever and he has formed a great relationship with the staff. – This is why really important to get that 2nd visit here. One thing I have found a little interesting with Devon, him being from Carolina that none of the Big time Schools are in his final 8 Duke, N Carolina, N C State, - - and no Kentucky either, just a little different this time for a change lol. He States Miami is stilla serious contender also still BUT again I think now it is KU/Fl battle.
So question - -when does the live period end anyways, that’s when he is cutting his list - -after that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Florida has the biggest need for a PG out of any of the teams involved. KU is next after that. If its down to relationships its going to be a KU/Florida battle. If he takes his visit to Arizona things can change, kids come back from that visit and don’t go anywhere else. I’m stunned Quinerly didn’t commit after his official but he seems to be content on going through the free trip process first.
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Just a follow up to Little and the Wing Position.
I think KU would be wise to wait out for RJ Barrett.
If Zion goes to Kentucky, Duke lands Reddish then KU has a great chance to position itself for Barrett once he announces his reclassification.
I know we have a ton of wings but you clear the sea for Barrett if he wants to come. He knows about Wiggins and I’m sure Jackson helps us there as well.
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KU has a real chance at Barrett.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Oh so sorry, my bad I thought you was talking about Devon sorry. - - Man it sure would be nice if somehow we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both. - - Not probably going to happen, BUT if we pulled that some way - - very nice. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It would be the perfect situation if we landed both.
Both fill needs and both have been recruited with the same pitch that KU needs ball handlers and someone to play with Charlie Moore. What likely will happen is KU lands one of them and then takes Noah Locke who’s a 4 star player that can shoot the J with the best of them in HS. That’s probably a more realistic situation for KU but anything can happen. Self should be trying to land multiple elite guards because KU should be able to give them minutes
Some people think there isn’t PT available but yeah I agree with your take.
Dotson and Grimes would be perfecto. Dotson a pure point and Grimes could play off him.
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BShark said:
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
Good call my friend , we just possibly might be able to get this to work. The kid is an Animal ya only listed at 6’6 but still just a freak. Article says Duke, Kentucky, Michigan, & Oregon are considered front runners but Arizona, KU, Texas, & UCLA right there also. Then with the CB - -again it’s the CB but yet they have Duke at 57% and then KU at 29% and then Kentucky at 14% - -sounds like he might be seriously considering to re-classify to 2018 - - - interesting to see how this turns out
Also read that Cole Anthony who is ranked the # 1 pg in the class of 2019 says that Louisville, Indiana, Miami, & KU are the one’s that he is hearing a lot from. - - Some mention of him being like a Kyrie Irving with a bounce. - -nasty crossover over - -then when you look at his list of top 5 schools shows that at this point KU is the only of the 5 with warm - - hmmmmm. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
KU has a real chance at Barrett.
Good call my friend , we just possibly might be able to get this to work. The kid is an Animal ya only listed at 6’6 but still just a freak. Article says Duke, Kentucky, Michigan, & Oregon are considered front runners but Arizona, KU, Texas, & UCLA right there also. Then with the CB - -again it’s the CB but yet they have Duke at 57% and then KU at 29% and then Kentucky at 14% - -sounds like he might be seriously considering to re-classify to 2018 - - - interesting to see how this turns out
Also read that Cole Anthony who is ranked the # 1 pg in the class of 2019 says that Louisville, Indiana, Miami, & KU are the one’s that he is hearing a lot from. - - Some mention of him being like a Kyrie Irving with a bounce. - -nasty crossover over - -then when you look at his list of top 5 schools shows that at this point KU is the only of the 5 with warm - - hmmmmm. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah Jerry isn’t hearing anything, they shut his recruitment down for the summer and didn’t go to end of the July AAU tourney’s. It’s funny that they are “hearing information” when he’s home in Canada right now.
He may very well be considering Duke/Kentucky but once they start landing elite players at his position this fall I think its hard to expect him looking at them. Kentucky seems poised to get Zion and Louis King who play Barrett’s position. Duke has Reddish in the bag as well.
Oregon with their Canada pipeline could be an interesting team to watch.
As for Cole Anthony, he’s one of the top 2 point guards in the 2019 class. Duke definitely has their sights set on Anthony as well.
I think Ashton Hagans is just as good, maybe better then Anthony. Anthony gets more pub because Hagans runs with Adidas. KU has started to recruit both and I hope we continue to pursue them
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Dotson is running with Zion this weekend in Vegas. Playing Lamelo Ichuckthebasketballattherimanddon’tplaydefense Ball today! Good opportunity for Dotson to show out against the media train Ball’s
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BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I’m not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he’s going to struggle defending at the next level. We’ll see how he progresses going forward.
If KU ends up with JRE + Chandler Lawson but not Hurt, I don’t think anyone is going to be too broken up about it.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt seems to be in no rush. Duke recently offered and they will be tough for him. Minnesota has his brother and if they continue to improve in the Big-10 he could stay home and play with him. I’m not as high on Hurt as his ranking suggest. Great versatility at his size but the recent updates about him suggest he’s going to struggle defending at the next level. We’ll see how he progresses going forward.
If KU ends up with JRE + Chandler Lawson but not Hurt, I don’t think anyone is going to be too broken up about it.
I’d rather have both of those that you mentioned then Hurt. We are likely in a great position for both as well both by connection and the position likely having a bunch of minutes to give them. Hurt is a big time player but I don’t think he’s the greatest fit at KU. Those things will sort themselves out as 2019 class becomes the centerpiece of things.
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@BeddieKU23 Agree. I mentioned it before I have a hard time seeing KU take 3 players that play a similar position/role. You can’t find minutes for all of them and they are all top 25 recruits that need minutes. Lightfoot will still be around and I’d bet KU adds a multi-year post in the 2018 class. And yeah rankings can be a bit tough to figure sometimes, with Hurt well he definitely has potential but part of the ranking might be how he projects at an NBA SF, which I don’t care about at all. JRE is a grinder that would flourish under Self.
So an aside here: how has 247 not stopped those multi-board threads yet? Maybe they like the fighting because it drums up page hits but damn I just went through that Barrett thread and it’s embarrassing all around.
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@BShark :
The multi-board threads are a disaster. They always end ugly.
The Duke faithful have been fed months and months of Barrett is going to Duke crap along with every other top prospect they have sniffed around on. They will get some like they do every year but its utterly insane how bad they act over the smallest thing.
When Duke lands Reddish I don’t know how they sell Barrett. Just as Kentucky with Zion. Calipari will probably tell RJ he can play PG and C if he wants so maybe Kentucky can still convince him but logically I would think RJ will be looking past the “two recruiting powers”. Hopefully that’s the case and KU puts in the effort to get him on campus
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@BeddieKU23 Yet if you were to ask Oregon people about RJ and they are going to tell you that is pretty much a sure thing he is going to commit to Oregon because of there Canadian Pipeline lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Yet if you were to ask Oregon people about RJ and they are going to tell you that is pretty much a sure thing he is going to commit to Oregon because of there Canadian Pipeline lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Oregon will probably be in this. His friend Kigab who he just won gold with is going to Oregon. Shittu another one of his buddies is considering Oregon as well.
But Oregon fans are overplaying the Canadian angle a little too much when it comes to the type of recruit Barrett is. They tend to get underrated guys, not the best prospect in the class. The 2 best Canadians in recent years have been Andrew Wiggins and Jamal Murray who went to blue-bloods KU and UK. So Oregon’s pipeline has little to do with guys of that stature. It’s funny what people will bicker about when this kids recruitment is far from being over
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BeddieKU23 said:
@BShark :
The multi-board threads are a disaster. They always end ugly.
The Duke faithful have been fed months and months of Barrett is going to Duke crap along with every other top prospect they have sniffed around on. They will get some like they do every year but its utterly insane how bad they act over the smallest thing.
When Duke lands Reddish I don’t know how they sell Barrett. Just as Kentucky with Zion. Calipari will probably tell RJ he can play PG and C if he wants so maybe Kentucky can still convince him but logically I would think RJ will be looking past the “two recruiting powers”. Hopefully that’s the case and KU puts in the effort to get him on campus
Duke’s GONNA SIGN 10 KIDS according to that one poster. That’d be something…
Matt Scott pretty much confirmed it with Barrett in a VIP post. He was hedging and obviously it’s harder to trust him after Trae Young but it lines up with stuff I was reading elsewhere.
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Some more pub for Dotson. Really doing his thing this summer. Have to think he’ll be moving up.
From Rivals: Which player is the most talked about among college coaches?
Two guys seemed to be discussed by college coaches more than others: Devon Dotson and Tyler Herro. Dotson has continued to go up against some of the top point guards in his 2018 class and come out on the other side as the winner of each battle. He has been described as a bad dude, the perfect phrasing for the competitive nature and consistent winning background of the Carolina native.
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Where Bill was off to rectuing recently- Mayhem:
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@dylans The article after that was about the antics of Lavar, including his blunt statement that the refs in a game last week were cheating (he took his team off the court and forfeited). Hope they sue his ass for slander and defamation!
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@mayjay I just wish the media would turn a blind eye to that man so I don’t know every little thing he does as he fades into obscurity.
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@BeddieKU23 That’s my boy lol - - just keeping fingers crossed. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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dylans said:
Where Bill was off to rectuing recently- Mayhem:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20167079/with-massive-crowd-hand-lamelo-ball-zion-williamson-showdown-goes-on Tell me I’m dreaming, Don’t wake me up. Even though feel chances with Zion are very slim - -it was sooooooo, sweet to see him school Ball on more then one occasion. One trip down the floor Ball was guarding him - -well I’ll use that term very loosely and Zion left him holding his strap finished with a monster flush, Another time Ball’s lazy pass - -Zion steals and flush. Man I love anything making the Ball clan look stupid and Zion did EXACTLY that, Where ever Williamson lands that School is getting a stud. - -Williamson took on THREE defenders one time and finished plus one - -just crazy. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Zion is crazy good. At this level there is literally no one at his size that can stop him. Haven’t seen that since Lebron.
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@BeddieKU23 Living in SC, I am looking forward to this HS season here, and all of the attention ZW will get!
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Especially if he doesn’t sign in the fall I can see this excitement that has followed him all July continuing. SC may never have a kid in their state that will be like him again
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@BeddieKU23 The downside about him being local in South Carolina is, of course, the fact that it seriously reduces KU’s chances of getting him since 4 other big contenders are close enough for him to play in front of family almost every game. UK, UNC, Duke, and SC.
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Living in SC, I am looking forward to this HS season here, and all of the attention ZW will get!
Oh you know he will be getting ALL KINDS of attention, but hell he is use to that already - -absolute animal. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 Ya he really has some tools, wish there was a way for us to snag him lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I see that some guys we recruiting have been invited to the Steph Curry SC 30 select Camp that’s happening from August 6th-8th:
The 4 that I saw, that stuck out were, Devon Dotson, Jahon Quinerly, - -and then Reed - -then was good to se kind of surprised me a little, was Robinson Earl - -had been invited - -awesome.
Some other notables : - - Bol, Bol – -Cameron Reddish, Cassius Stanley, Jontay Parker, Keldon Johnson, Moses Brown, Scottie Lewis, & Bryan Antoine - -23 players invited. - – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 The downside about him being local in South Carolina is, of course, the fact that it seriously reduces KU’s chances of getting him since 4 other big contenders are close enough for him to play in front of family almost every game. UK, UNC, Duke, and SC.
The most recent chatter that’s been circulating has him going to Kentucky to play with Quickley. Quickley is also visiting KU but last month said Kentucky was his leader. Probably going to be tough if he follows through with that
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You know, were sitting in pretty good shape on 2019. If we could close on these three # 22 Chandler Lawson - - -me I feel that he is now a brainer, feel he is ours, get him , ranked the # 4 PF - - - -Land #23 Robinson Earl, which I feel pretty good about the # 5 PF - - -then land # 27 Harvey out of Topeka Hayden also got pretty good feel for # 2 CG - -then even be in the hunt for RJ Barrett I would say we had a monster year. - -Harvey made a pretty big jump they updated the rankings on the 24th of this month and this is where they stand - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Question: Do any of you that are local attend any of the AAU tournaments in Lawrence or KC to see the recruits up close? Can anyone attend? Hard to get a seat? Just curious.
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Well I read where my favorite - -Devon is visiting Arizona from the 1st-3rd of August, might be bad BUT still believe its KU/Fla . He said he is still going to visit KU & Florida. -I don’t think the Pillsbury pop and dough boy Miller gets this one. Bagley visiting there to, stills says he gonna visit KU - -whoopee we know where he is going.
On a little side bar USC trying to score brownie points with Bagley parents, offered all THREE Bagley’s while he is on his visit - -now there is an idea lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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5 star recruit Mitchell Robinson is back on the market from Western Kentucky.
And look who just happens to have a open scholarship available in need of a big.
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@BeddieKU23 omgosh! He’s really good! Isn’t that where coleby went?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 omgosh! He’s really good! Isn’t that where coleby went?
Yes. The entire reason he went to WKU was because his godfather was on staff. Williams left the staff earlier this month and now Robinson has left as well. The problem for Robinson now is that he had already enrolled in classes at WKU. Not sure how it works but he probably won’t get a full release I’m guessing. I had read oversea’s could be an option for him as well. If by miracle he does get released to play this season I’d hope KU was after him. How many schools have open scholarships this late ya know?
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jayballer54 said:
Well I read where my favorite - -Devon is visiting Arizona from the 1st-3rd of August, might be bad BUT still believe its KU/Fla . He said he is still going to visit KU & Florida. -I don’t think the Pillsbury pop and dough boy Miller gets this one. Bagley visiting there to, stills says he gonna visit KU - -whoopee we know where he is going.
On a little side bar USC trying to score brownie points with Bagley parents, offered all THREE Bagley’s while he is on his visit - -now there is an idea lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We should be scared of this visit. Dotson has been eating up what Miller has been selling.
Still going to visit doesn’t mean he will. We don’t have a date for his visit as of today. I’m not trying to say anything but without a visit lined up, he could pop for them. We better pray he leaves Tuscon without committing
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BeddieKU23 said:
5 star recruit Mitchell Robinson is back on the market from Western Kentucky.
And look who just happens to have a open scholarship available in need of a big.
Dam, could we possibly get that lucky? - - -JAYHAWK FOR LIFE
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@BeddieKU23 What do you mean a full release? - - Could he be another transfer? - -but then he would have to sit out - -that wouldn’t work with what we got and possibly coming next year. - -jAYHAWK FOR LIFE
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@BeddieKU23 KU isn’t landing Dotson period. Grimes is priority and KU isn’t getting both them. I also don’t know if Arizona gets Dotson either considering they already have Brandon Williams inked. I’d rather Grimes anyway because he fill the bigger need for KU.
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@jayballer54 No, he wouldn’t have to sit out because he’s leaving before classes start. Just like Whitman won’t have to sit out either because of the timing of his departure.
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I disagree
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@BeddieKU23 KU flat out is not signing 2 top rated PG’s in 2018 when they already have Charlie Moore who will have spent a year in the program at that point.
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Here is the NCAA guidance that seems on point:
Transfer trigger: A condition that affects your transfer status. A transfer student is a student who transfers from a collegiate institution after having triggered any of the conditions:
-Enrolled full-time during any term and attended class or in Division I if you are enrolled full time and are on campus on the opening day of classes.
-Reported for a regular squad practice.
-Practiced or competed while enrolled less than full-time…
-Received institutional financial aid while attending summer school.
(Italics added)
Whitman played but was he there for the first practice for Italy? That might not be considered a “regular practice”; he apparently did not enroll for the summer term.
Even if someone enrolls early, it looks like they have to be there on the first day of classes for the transfer rules, like a season out, to get triggered.
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You can say what you feel as you have and I don’t agree
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@BeddieKU23 Then explain the logic of how KU signs two 5 star PG’s when they will already have a top 50 PG already on campus and in the system for a year?
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@mayjay The Italy trip is not NCAA sanctioned which is why the transfers are eligible to play so those practices have no impact on transfer eligibility. The reason why the rules read the way they do are for the schools that are on the quarter system as opposed to the semester system. I don’t know what WKU’s academic calender looks like whether they run on a traditional calender or on quarters, but quarters don’t usually start until late September or early October and practices don’t start until mid October. Even if the WKU kid waits until after the Italy trip to come here, there’s nothing that would stop that from happening and from him playing for KU this year.
