2018 Recruiting Thread
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The plan is definitely that Newman goes pro after this year. He might be the best guard (in terms of talent) Self has had at KU so yeah. Obviously Graham is gone. This situation should make recruiting easier. You still never know though, Trae Young was offered the keys and turned em down. Even not counting Smart, Quickley or Quinerly (good idea imo) that’s a lot of really good guards KU is in on. Self just has to bat .333.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett could be 6’9 on the official roster by fall. haha
At this rate he will be 7’ by the time he gets minutes.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett could be 6’9 on the official roster by fall. haha
At this rate he will be 7’ by the time he gets minutes.
Just in time to take over Doke’s position at the 5
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2019 name to watch: Terrence Hargrove.
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Read today where KU had offered 2020 pg Adam Miller 6’3 from Peoria Illinois. Said KU and Illinois were going to be fighting for him over the next 2 yrs lol. - - - - -Rock Chalk All Day Long Baby
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Posted about that a bit back, he’s really good and interested in KU. Momma is on board too…could definitely end up a Jayhawk.
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Encouraging news about Miller even if he’s a long ways away from picking or going to College. Never hurts to be in already for a 2020 kid with ties to the program.
Looking like Quinerly to Arizona. Jeez they are unstoppable right now.
Bagley to visit Duke this summer… no other visits planned at this point.
Grimes latest interview makes it seem like he will be dragging out his recruitment… Will KU wait on him and get burned again? Seems like the next in line to do so.
Some more 18 prospects off the board. Smith- a high upside top 40 guy to Maryland. USC picked up a Top-100 big. Neither were on KU’s radar.
Ayo eliminated Northwestern from consideration after visiting… No KU visit planned as of yet and frankly I’m not sure what they are waiting on to get him here.
Looks like Duke will be on the board soon with Cole Swider, a rising PF who I’m sure the recruiting sites will overvalue because he signs with Duke.
Matt keeps saying KU sits in a good spot for Langford, which I don’t believe. We hear “we’re in a good spot all to often” line
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@BeddieKU23 I just hope Bagley signs early. Just so Self doesn’t turn into Captain Ahab and ignores recruits we could actually land.
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Could be another early commit. Not like right now which would be insane, but JR year assuming he keeps progressing.
With Grimes, I’d say KU shouldn’t wait if he isn’t a fall decision but other realistic guard targets want to commit. He’s good yes but if two of Dotson, Ayo and Carey want to commit I say take em.
Sounded like Ayo plans to visit KU. Wouldn’t worry about it.
Looks like that kid is already getting the Duke bump. A shame that KU hasn’t been closing targets like other schools over the summer. But hey since Bill just works a bit later than usual maybe this will mean a good fall.
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BShark said:
The plan is definitely that Newman goes pro after this year. He might be the best guard (in terms of talent) Self has had at KU so yeah. Obviously Graham is gone. This situation should make recruiting easier. You still never know though, Trae Young was offered the keys and turned em down. Even not counting Smart, Quickley or Quinerly (good idea imo) that’s a lot of really good guards KU is in on. Self just has to bat .333.
Yeah Howard’s job should depend on whether he lands this kid (with the expectation that he keeps improving and KU continues to prioritize him. It sounds harsh but at some point your assistants have to prove themselves when you have the upper hand in a recruitment. Him being a key player for Newman was a positive step IMO for him. There is literally not an acceptable excuse out there if he doesn’t land Miller with the connection he shares with the mother.
We’ll see what happens with Grimes. At least we know an official visit is a certainty.
Swider is definitely getting the Duke bump. Not that he hasn’t improved, he’s been the leading scorer so far on his AAU squad that has caught a lot of attention.
Did you see the Bamba possible eligibility issues? I haven’t dug deep into it but some messy stuff possibly happening…
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Yeah I made a thread. I can’t see Bamba being able to play…
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@BeddieKU23 Isn’t Snacks the reason that the Chicago pipeline has sort of reopened? He landed Cliff and Jacobs. Is he really doing much worse than anyone else recruiting?
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He’s a bit of a lightning rod in large segments of the fanbase. He ran point on some high profile misses.
Otoh he ran point on Garrett and Jacobs. Plus was a factor for Moore. If he keeps the ILL/Chicago commits flowing he isn’t going anywhere.
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Ruhroh, Marcedus Leech visiting UK…
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@BShark I guess its easier for some people to blame the person recruiting them in order to rationalize the decision of a 17 or 18 year old kid.
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He hold early offers from Kansas, Iowa State, Miami, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Washington among others, but told D1Vision that Kentucky is his dream school.
Just another kid KU was supposedly the early favourite for that will end up at UK, Duke or AZ.
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No I don’t think he’s doing sub-par to the rest of the staff. He’s gotten a lot of criticism since he’s been here, part of that falls on his arrest and poor judgement. I’ve held nothing against him in that regard and see no reason to. I had forgot he has run point on some other guys we currently have or will have in the future as well. I think he’s starting to get settled in and connect with recruits and with him being younger then the rest of the staff he has an advantage.
I was just making my opinion that if Miller doesn’t come to KU (given he’s already a top 25 2020 kid) with the connection he has with Howard then we’ll have to discuss that when it comes up.
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BShark said:
He hold early offers from Kansas, Iowa State, Miami, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Washington among others, but told D1Vision that Kentucky is his dream school.
Just another kid KU was supposedly the early favourite for that will end up at UK, Duke or AZ.
It’s not like we have heard anything about KU’s involvement in almost a year with him. The staff might be after others but I wouldn’t agree with that decision. Leech is worth attention
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Yeah it would be a bad look if KU wanted Miller but missed. For anyone that doesn’t know, Jerrance went to high school with Miller’s mom. The recent unofficial visit was a complete slam dunk, home run etc…
Assuming Barrett reclassifies, Leech was actually my preferred realistic target for wing/guard in 19. Doesn’t look likely now though. I’d keep an eye on Terrence Hargrove JR now. KU is in on a lot of combo forward types, but I think the staff views them as bigs/post players. Ie Hurt, C Lawson, JRE etc…
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J Smart to LSU.
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Just realized LSU and Missouri are in same conference with same mascot. Smh
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approxinfinity said:
Just realized LSU and Missouri are in same conference with same mascot. Smh
Auburn as well.
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@BShark tigers and tigers and tigers. Oh my!
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Howard did suck early on at landing his targets, there’s no disputing that. He had a lot of misses on high profile players and even some 3-4 year guys. The reality is that Howard is finally finding his footing in recruiting for KU and is finally starting to land more players so the idea of replacing him is becoming less appealing for now as long as he keeps landing solid players. Now if the players he’s landing flame out or don’t live up to expectations, then that’s a problem. Cliff Alexander was his first big time signing and that didn’t go well. He was also the lead on a couple of the other “issue” players if I’m not mistaken. While I’m not ready to say I have no worries about Snacks going forward, I do believe the leash is getting longer based on what he’s accomplishing right now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Is it really his fault if players don’t pan out? Isn’t Bill the one who watches these guys and picks the ones he wants out? Then he sends the minions to do his bidding?
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@Kcmatt7 In some cases, absolutely it’s Snacks fault. If he’s their position coach and they don’t develop, that 100% falls in Snacks.
The assistant coaches are usually the first ones to bring a player to World’s attention in the first place because Self can’t be everywhere. Too many misses like that and it would absolutely make someone question Snacks eye for talent as well.
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Looks like Naz Reid might pop for LSU soon. Hoo boy.
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@BShark Where’d you hear that?
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Just le scuttlebutttt currently. They kind of came out of nowhere here to get his first ov and are um, making a real push if you know what I mean. Even UK people are saying LSU, and they ALWAYS say UK.
It’s pretty crazy how crummy SEC schools with average to below average coaches who put forth not so great results continue to get top players. It’s almost like recruiting is shady.
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@wissox Doesn’t hurt that they got Smart to commit either as I believe him and Reid are friends right? - - - don’t think we had to much of a shot a Reid anyways, I was hearing he was Kentucky, could be wrong. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Whole slew of top 100 kids off the board and none of them to the good guys…
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Whole slew of top 100 kids off the board and none of them to the good guys…
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You can say that again!
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@BShark It’s almost like recruiting is shady. What he said.
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Normally I’d say it’s early, but yeah lots of commitments already.
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And even more kids off the board in the last few days. Same song and dance.
9 of the top 30 off the board.
9 from 30-50
19 from 60-100.
That makes 37 of the top 100 gone already. Seems to be filling up earlier then past seasons
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Nope, nope, maybe, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Just my opinion obviously. I find it weird that the article didn’t mention some players that are more likely to end up at KU. Then again, it’s from Shay sooooo.
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@BShark What will we complain about if only realistic recruits are listed? Makes the recruiting embargo talk more interesting if all the top 10 guys are listed.
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dylans said:
@BShark What will we complain about if only realistic recruits are listed? Makes the recruiting embargo talk more interesting if all the top 10 guys are listed.
It was a lot more fun in HS talking about all the girls I wanted to ask out than it would have been to only talk about the smaller number who would accept!
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I believe the articles is about the top 10 ranked players only.
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At this point KU is unlikely to snag any of the top 10 recruits. Not to say things can’t change with any of these guys especially if they slow play their recruitment but to this point I don’t think there is any evidence out there that points to KU being a favorite or serious threat for any of those listed in the article.
I hope we land some of our known targets and the last 3 weeks of July should really help those interested figure out where we stand with these kids
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It’s not a matter of if we win 25+ games, it’s just a matter of how. I’m kind of to the point where I don’t even worry much about recruiting any more. Not that I’m disinterested in recruiting. But worrying about which prima donna chooses a KU hat has fallen off my radar. I’m still baffled by Julius Randle stiffing us back a few years ago. Thought that was a natural fit, and a lock to come to Lawrence. We get Mason as an afterthought and he’s perhaps the best player ever under Self. Then we land a perfect 4 (Bragg) and he flames out. OADs always seem to underwhelm in some manner or form, and then there’s JJ. No rhyme or reason to all of this. Just when we feel we’re behind the eight ball, Self snags someone late or a transfer.
I follow this pretty passively now.
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Ian Steere is off the board to Creighton. Liked his upside…
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"Mr. Recruit, we have a lot to offer you for 2018: our point guard position is filled, but our 2/3 guard spot might be open providing you don’t mind beating out a potential Vick senior year, a young, promising Garrett, or a very athletic Cunfliffe. Now, Newman will probably declare, but he might not, so don’t let that worry hang over your head. Could we see a KJ Lawson at the 3, or would it be Lawson/Lawson down low, or even a Doke/Lawson if the big guy comes back? Don’t forget we have a 3rd year big named Lightfoot as well. And if Mr. Preston sticks around, who knows where everyone will play. We might not be able to offer you a minute’s time as a starter next year, but you could end up in our rotation. Everything is clear as mud. Sign with us. "
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We know the staff wants 2 guards in this class. I get the feeling we land one in the fall and hopefully another in the spring.
Under the assumption Newman isn’t coming back there is that need. We all expect Newman to do well this season and its been widely known he only wants to spend a year here.
Whether its at least 1 additional point guard to go with Charlie Moore, its safe to say we are after a ball handler and 2-way guards.
If Vick has a monster year I expect he’ll test the NBA waters. His athletic ability will give him a chance especially if he tests well at the Combine. If he doesn’t leave I expect he could slide to the 2-guard position as a Senior and whatever guard(s) recruit we land will probably be his backup.
Dotson (primarily a PG), Grimes (can play both on/off the ball), Dosunmu- 2 way player, Carey- another 2 way player are the primary targets KU can realistically get at this point. We will know starting this weekend who the staff is really following with the most important stretch of AAU ball upcoming.
The situation down in the post is fluid.
We could see Doke and Preston leave.
Preston seems to be the most likely candidate seems how his game is a fit for the Modern NBA and if he presents enough upside even after a year I think he goes to the draft and stays. Plus Self recruited over him with Dedric and that will play a huge factor in him going. If Lightfoot continues to develop there won’t be much of a need for a PF. I expect we could even see KJ play some 4 with his defensive and rebounding skills. Seems like a position we have locked down and can focus on Jeremiah Robinson Earl in 2019.
Doke, no denying he’s the type of player that could be extremely valuable for KU this season. His value in the NBA has diminished considerably with how teams are going small. Doke is the throwback, power Shaq-type that can’t shoot and will have to prove a lot this season. Too early to know what he’s going to do and the staff will probably be hoping all the top big’s in the class commit in the spring so that KU has a better chance with any of them. Right now I would say Doke returns for his junior year (even though he came to KU saying he was a 2 yr player).
There is however a need for a backup big (primarily to play the 5), especially if Doke did return as a Jr. The staff doesn’t seem to be interested in any of the middle tier 4 star recruits that teams are scooping up (recently USC, Purdue, Creighton, Stanford, Villanova, Michigan St, Maryland have all locked down good post talent that KU could have easily been involved for). Off the top of the head it seems KU is all in on the premiere bigs in the Top 20 and will as usual now be in play for graduate transfers/de-commits from other schools etc in the spring.
Will be very interesting to see what players join the good guys. Potentially 1-3 starting spots up for grabs depending on roster movement
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@BeddieKU23 “Graduate transfers and de-commits.” I predict that Bill Self will continue to lean on such. Maybe Svi will help the coaching staff locate and recruit up and coming foreign talent. Although our Adidas draw base sometimes falters, Self has been masterful in filling specific slots. He seems to squeeze the max from players not listed as Top 30 hopefuls.
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Well I know he is not a 2018 but I did know we had been recruiting him and now offered.
2019 Balsa Koprivica - -7’1. - - KU, Oreg, Texas, Arizona St are the latest to offer - - joining Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech & LSU
Koprivica says the schools that are talking to him the most are: UCLA, KU, Baylor, Miami, Florida, USC, Louisville, Florida St, Wake Forest, & Arizona
He is transferring to Windermere Fl prep and will not be on the AAU circuit this summer.
Has the foot work of a polished wing - -a once in a generation type of player deadly shooter from 18-20 feet Augustine compares him to two of the greatest Europe player ever to play in the NBA - - - Paul G asol & Dirk Nowitzki
Ok so here is a question to end with all these show things that goes on - - -Augustine who runs the Adidas sponsored program - -Doesn’t KU wear Adidas? - - - I know we lose out it seems to some because of the shoe - -just saying, - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He visited Duke recently, expect every major program to be on him.
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I’m sure he will continue to keep an open mind with Graduate Transfers etc. Whitman for example seems like he will be an important role player this year and Tarik Black was equally important a few years ago.
Svi, I believe we lucked into when recruiting others at the Nike Hoops Summit (a similar situation was how the staff got Frank Mason). There is a lot of European talent out there, I’m sure Svi helps with our visibility to those who wish to come to the states for Education and playing.
