Transfer talk
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@dylans Yeah, got sucked in by political bait. Sorry. The topic is way too complex for simple answers suitable for Board rants.
It did get me thinking about football and basketball scholarships, though, which pay full freight, as opposed to baseball scholarships, that usually are split among lots of players because only get something like seven full ones. Edit: they can use 11.7 scholarships, have a maximum of 27 players on scholarship, and everyone on scholarship has to receive at least a 25% scholarship.
How do baseball players make up the difference? Work study? Loans?
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@mayjay Loans or parents or academic scholarships.
The typical scholarship for baseball players looks like this:
- 1st year 25%
- 2nd year 50%
- 3rd year 50%
- 4th year 75%
Studs will be able to bargain a little bit more than that. But, thats typically the coverage. Many many programs rely on academic scholarships to get players covered their first year at least. So one of the first things they will ask a recruit is their ACT/SAT score.
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You can thank the Title IX baloney regarding scholarships. Football is classified as a male sport, when it is open to all comers. Women just aren’t able to compete. (you know, those antiquated views on gender some suggest I guess don’t apply for women when it comes to football). It’s not that they CAN’T, it’s just that they are not good enough.
This is the absolute travesty and injustice of Title IX.
It’s comical. Had a acquaintance/friend whose daughter had never rowed in her life. She got a full ride D-1 scholarship for rowing.
Meanwhile, a kid who has played baseball his entire life, is D-1 level quality, gets 25% – I’ve seen it with the players I’ve dealt with. All so a girl who has never played a sport gets a free ride – all in the name of gender equity (and oddly, or interesting, or hypocritically, or all of the above, the same people who profess gender equity ignore the fact that the genders aren’t equal. Or they are only equal when it is convenient. In fact, with some of this garbage, I can’t believe there’s not a scholarship category for “casserole” – See Stewie for that explanation).
Football revenue powers D-1 sports – all D-1 sports, women and men. And it is the men that support the women. How sexist. But undeniably true.
This is a 2012 list I had. It may be off by a few.
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If Svi does return then Self is definitely a lucky riverboat gambler.
They must have known Dwight was looking for something else for a while as the signing of Whitman now seems to be that insurance policy instead of any Billy Preston concerns.
If Svi doesn’t return I’m hoping that scholarship gets filled with an Athletic big (and who knows if one exists at this point). This is really the new normal, not having a complete roster well into May…
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@BeddieKU23 I am sure Self privately inquired around to ensure Dwight would have opportunities before his decision was announced.
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@BeddieKU23 I would say that more than likely the staff has a list of players who could reclass and play next year if need be.
If only you could convince Bagley to reclass… This team would be unstoppable. But he’s in that same Diallo/Maker scenario where I bet he doesn’t play a game of college basketball.
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@mayjay @approxinfinity I thought “aid” was different than “loans.”
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I don’t believe that list has many options either.
A graduate transfer that hasn’t announced his intentions or finding something on the International pool could be an option.
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@brooksmd Nope. Financial aid includes all categories: loans, grants, scholarships, and work study.
I believe some schools with huge endowments, like Princeton, are increasing their grants to lessen the loan burden students have been assuming. But this article about Emory just says they are giving these students “institutional loans” to make up any difference, not increasing direct grants.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I don’t believe that list has many options either.
A graduate transfer that hasn’t announced his intentions or finding something on the International pool could be an option.
MiKyle McIntosh would be perfect. I believe he still has his name in the draft though.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I don’t believe that list has many options either.
A graduate transfer that hasn’t announced his intentions or finding something on the International pool could be an option.
MiKyle McIntosh would be perfect. I believe he still has his name in the draft though.
Forgot about him. He’s basically a better Mitch Lightfoot at this point but what we probably need is a 6’9, 6’10 athlete. Tilmon would have been ideal. Who knows what’s going to happen with the last scholarship if Svi stays in
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I think he’d be fine as a short 4. Leaves Whitman to play back-up C.
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BShark said:
I think he’d be fine as a short 4. Leaves Whitman to play back-up C.
That could actually work out pretty well.
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At this point I think it would have to be one of the best options. Can’t imagine there is a good 2017 HS option.
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@BeddieKU23 I have kind of looked at this differently. Just one theory. And I’ll admit the evidence seems to indicate that Whitman may have been a reaction to word Coleby might leave.
But it could be something else. Coleby’s transfer thoughts could have been the reaction.
To be honest, who here really thinks of Coleby to be a reliable 3rd big? Not me. If fact, the idea of Coleby playing any substantive minutes made me long for the days of Jamari Traylor. Really, it did.
In fact, other than a few flashes, Coleby just wasn’t very good. We can run the gamut of excuses, but he took forever to rehab and many times was useless. That’s reality. Of course, he was of great help on a few occasions.
If you were Bill Self, would you bank on Coleby to be your #3 big?
I think it’s a reasonable possibility that Self was investigating the transfer possibilities and was looking to upgrade. He thus upgraded with Whitman. And it’s possible that upgrading with Whitman was the impetus for Coleby to consider transferring.
Why? The #4 big is not a great place to be, particularly in a team that has played small in the past year.
Of course, the associated scholarship issues could be entangled.
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Really good point about upgrading.
I agree that if Coleby was our #3 we were limiting ourselves to a player with limited physical ability at this point and for a team that’s always competing for championships there was no reason to be dependent on him in a consistent capacity with that knee. Unfortunate for him.
On Tape, Whitman looks like the exact type of player we needed in the post to compliment Doke’s strength, raw talent and Preston’s perimeter skills. Hopefully his transition is as seamless as other grad transfers make it at other schools.
Whitman seemed to be the “nudge” for Coleby to look elsewhere. The “unofficial” “we’ve replaced you”, and in today’s age kids need little nudging to look for greener pastures.
And what do we do with Svi’s scholarship if he stays in the draft? We don’t seem to be involved with anyone left on the market at this point… I suppose we’ll know within 7 days Self has been loyal in keeping that spot open for him.
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@mayjay So you’re only going on what was written in the article and didn’t look at the info package put out by Emory concerning financial aid for illegals? I provided a link to that on one of my earlier posts and it does mention financial aid, grants as well as loans based on the needs of the illegal.
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@Kcmatt7 Missouri MAKES winners into losers. It should be their state motto.
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@HighEliteMajor Well said, man.
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Replacing the 1-man dynamism of Josh Jackson, and the 1-man dynamism of Mason, is the 2-headed problem. We just lost 2 alphas.
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@nuleafjhawk Imagine putting your stadiums on Champions Drive and none of them every being a champion? So Missouri-ish.
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Not sure if it was mentioned yet. Chase Jeter is transferring to Arizona. I thought the point of leaving Duke was to get PT. LOL
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Tevin Mack to Alabama.
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Saw that, Avery’s problem now. Wonder if he’ll fight his new teammates
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Not sure a year off will help Jeter become something. Every recruiting service completely whiffed on his eval
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BeddieKU23 said:
Not sure a year off will help Jeter become something. Every recruiting service completely whiffed on his eval
I thought he should have went to a mid-major/UNLV. His dad seems to still think he is big time though.
Edit: I think it was his dad that was quoted on some stuff previously too.
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I thought the same thing. Both have this belief that he’s better then he is currently. Maybe by Senior year he’s Kaleb level okay which isn’t saying much but fits where both were ranked coming out of school.
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Very odd really. Arizona is pretty much the same level as Duke in terms of recruiting.
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@BShark I would have taken Jeter if we didn’t land the Lawson’s. Worse-case scenario he is Landen Lucas 2.0. But we get to avoid watching the first 3 and 1/2 years where Landen sucked.
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I believe I posted that I wasn’t interested. Don’t want to dig around for the posts though. I’d certainly much rather have Dedric Lawson.
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MiKyle McIntosh is available… immediately. If Svi announced the wrong way that is
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Kcmatt7 said:
MiKyle McIntosh is available… immediately. If as I announced the wrong way that is
we should contact him today, best available body after Svi’s decision
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BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
MiKyle McIntosh is available… immediately. If as I announced the wrong way that is
we should contact him today, best available body after Svi’s decision
Absolutely. Would really just be a great addition.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
MiKyle McIntosh is available… immediately. If as I announced the wrong way that is
we should contact him today, best available body after Svi’s decision
Absolutely. Would really just be a great addition.
Definitely… We’ll know soon whether to pursue
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@BeddieKU23 He is a really solid player. Would be a great get since I think Svi is gone.
