How to squeeze 15 players into 13 scholarships?
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@mayjay I posted this on another board.
NCAA BYLAW 15.02.4.2 EXEMPTED INSTITUTIONAL AID The following institutional financial aid is exempt and is not counted in determining a student-athlete’s full grant-in-aid or cost of attendance, or in the institution’s financial aid limitations:
(e) A postgraduate scholarship awarded by an institution in accordance with Bylaw 16.1.3.1.1; (Adopted: 1/10/05)
As long as it is in accordance with other scholarships given out for the same degree he is seeking at that institution and it his athletics have no basis on the scholarship, it is exempt. There is also a part where it says that if he is part of a research grant, that is also exempt. If he were to do research as part of his degree, such as a fellowship (which many schools provide) he would be allowed to be exempt. With his degree being in the medical field, those are all options.
There are a lot of options for Grad programs. A Grad-Assistant in a non-basketball related program would cover it fully. If he were to do research, that would also cover it. Another option is a “fellowship.” There are tons of options.
I’m not saying he will get one. I’m saying it is possible. We could have taken him because he was the best option available and Tilmon and Svi both said they weren’t going to be here next year. But, there are options.
We are in a very very rare scenario where we could actually have more players than scholarships. Most teams can only field 13 players that MIGHT be worth a scholarship With 3 transfers sitting out, we are in a scenario to fill a roster with a potential of 15 players worthy of a scholarship. It might be time to get creative…
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Sorry that is a little rough to read. I copy and pasted from a couple of posts. But you can get the gist.
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I would say this could add some fuel to the Dwight Coleby being a grad transfer rumor.
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@Kcmatt7 Taits article on other site said Bill offered him a scholarship.
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Dwight did transfer I think we would be just fine
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I still think the most viable option for making room for someone is that one or both Lawson’s are Self-pay guys this year. It might cost them a total of $15k.
Svi might even be able to do Self-pay to come back. That could always have been Bills condition. If I run out of scholarships before you come back you pay out of pocket.
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I believe he said he made good money and that it wasn’t an issue, but Keelon Lawson’s salary was around $120K. At that salary you aren’t turning down a scholarship for you son/sons when they definitely could have one elsewhere.
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@dylans He made $250k the two previous seasons.
Also, by self-pay, I mean pay for one class. Could be bowling. Which should allow them to be a “volunteer” practice player, much like women’s basketball teams use volunteers from the student population in practice. It would only cost like $400 for the one class and then whatever housing costs…
I almost think that is an amazing selling point. Hey, take one class during your year off and focus on nothing but basketball. Dedric can live in the weight room with Hudy and get his athleticism to where it needs to be. They don’t have to focus on school at all this year, just prepping for a breakout season in 2018.
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@Kcmatt7 You pose some intriguing scenarios regarding the Lawsons. I’m wondering if Dad Lawson will reside in Lawrence for 2 or 3 years. That might resolve the housing situation for the younger of his two sons…who might demand close supervision.
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@KCmatt7 nope Lawson got a $20,000 raise in new role to $120K, so I don’t believe he will be paying their way anytime soon. Esp. Since his job is now in jeopardy without the security of having his boys there.
Keelon Lawson, the father of Tigers sophomore forwards Dedric and K.J. Lawson, will make $120,000 in base salary under Smith in his new role as director of player development. That’s $20,000 more than he made as an assistant coach the last two seasons under Pastner.
Memphis recently released the salaries of Smith’s assistant coaching staff to The CA in response to an open records request.
Assistants coaches Alvin “Pooh” Williamson will make $240,000; Joe Esposito will make $235,000; and Saul Smith will make $180,000 this season.
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@dylans I stand corrected.
But that is still enough money to pay $10-12K for one season. If it would even be that much.
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@Kcmatt7 It is if you had to. But this is the teams problem not the Lawson’s, so I doubt that’s the sacrafice that will made.
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@dylans the only reason I say it might be worth it, is that they wouldn’t have to go to class that year.
It would be a strictly basketball year for them, and a business decision that is much more long-term. Dedric is a 1st round pick if he can put together an 18 pts and 10 rbs season and improve his athleticism a little bit. KJ is ROUGH. A year of dedicated basketball might be just what the doctor ordered.
Currently, they will have to take a full 12 hours at the very least. Daily practice time is limited per NCAA rules. If they weren’t technically on the roster this year, they could practice all they wanted… Without school. And neither of them needs more classes as this will be their 3rd year of classes and they have 2 more eligible semesters. If they want their degree they have plenty of time to get it for free.
It would be an intriguing thought for the family. I’m sure you are right that this probably won’t happen, I’m just pointing out that it is a much more attractive choice than it first seems.
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I just don’t see any player taking just one class while waiting for a scholarship. First, it is a huge waste of time sitting around for a year and no responsible parent would go along with it and second and more importantly, the optics would be horrible, the comparisons to Calipari and his NBA waiting room would be all over and I just don’t see Coach Self agreeing to this, no way, no how.
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@Kcmatt7 Pretty sure they couldn’t practice with the team or make use of ADept facilities unless on the squad.
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@mayjay Idk, the “managers” get to…
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@Kcmatt7 According to this article, managers are not allowed by the NCAA to participate in drills or practice with the team:
http://work.chron.com/college-basketball-manager-requirements-19388.html
I think the rules in general are set up to discourage the type of work-arounds you are envisioning!
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@mayjay I don’t see that here.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/lou/genrel/auto_pdf/comp-rules-managers.pdf
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Also poking a hole in my “volunteer player.”
They have own rules that allow the women’s team to use guys.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@mayjay I don’t see that here.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/lou/genrel/auto_pdf/comp-rules-managers.pdf
Looks like a partial discussion only of some rules and proposed changes or comments.
Besides, that is from Louisville, and doesn’t say their managers can’t be pimps, and look where that got them!
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Matt has a write-up on this… lays out some possibilities. Heck… he still thinks we can get Svi back and land up to two more recruits. I believe it to be way too much “pie in the sky” but who knows?
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2017/may/2/an-overview-of-kus-scholarship-situation/
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@Kcmatt7 Be careful how you spell “Self-pay.” I think you just committed an NCAA violation!
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I am not sure Tait offers much in the way of new information, just a rehash of what has been discussed already. I am sure Coach Self has a plan that has been fully vetted by people a lot more knowledgeable on the subject than us.
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Yep… I have faith in Bill on this. He knows what he is doing.
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Not sure if already posted but Whitman will be on full scholarship.
