1st Round Upsets
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@justanotherfan I took Xavier in a couple of mine - - middle Tennessee State in a couple - - -Hell I even took Wichita State over Kentucky in a couple. - - - took UNC Wil over Virginia in a couple - - - took Rhode Island over Creighton in a couple & then I even took the winner of Wake Forest/KSU assuming it’s Wake - -if Wake wins that I even took them over Cincinnati in a couple.
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“I agree KU could be the only team that survives the 1st weekend.”
In other words… business as usual for the Big 12!
Remember back just a few months ago in Big 12 play… this was going to be WVU’s year. Or… this was going to be Baylor’s year. I heard all that nonsense and laughed! This turned out to be one of our easier years for winning the Big 12.
I believe this will be another year where the Big 12 under-performs in March. (except for Kansas)
OU, last year, was the anomaly.
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El poyo would get to post I told you so if that happens.
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@drgnslayr said:
I believe this will be another year where the Big 12 under-performs in March. (except for Kansas)
Unfortunately I agree. And if KU/ISU meet in the Sweet 16, the committee just limited the conferences ability to get multiple teams to the Elite 8. I think Baylor has come back to earth as a lot of people correctly projected they would, and West Virginia doesn’t play consistently enough at a high level to project them going far even though there style of play is scary as heck for teams not familiar with it. Oklahoma St gets one of the hottest teams in the country and Kansas St won’t even be favored in the First 4 game… Tough tough for a conference to change its narrative
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Baylor sucks.
I do think ISU will reach the S16.
WVU is interesting. ND will be tough for them but I could also see them beating the Zags.
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Someone drank the purple Kool-aid! But I hear you, good defensive teams do well. And while that concept may work for Wake Forrest (#63 vs 283 Def Eff) but how do you figure that #63 defense can beat Cinci at #8?? Link here to the stats I used.
And if they somehow manage that, you think they can beat UCLA??? You will probably be the only person outside of Manhattan to think that and will definitely have a lock on winning your pool if that ever happened and I will be in awe of your crystal ball skillz!
A more likely scenario is they just barely lose to Wake and blame the refs
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BREAKING NEWS: Fran Fraschilla right now on espn bracket discussion live…just…picked…Purdue (!) over his beloved IowaState Cyclones! He did ask for forgiveness from his “guys” Monte Morris and Naz Long, when he moved Purdue past the Clones. He has Purdue then meeting KU, in KC.
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@ralster wow!
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@ralster OK. So that means Iowa State wins…
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I bet Fran had to throw away the voodoo doll before making that pick public. He’s probably already sent a gift basket to Monte’s house and will be present for Naz Long’s first born child.
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It really depend on how you define an upset, For example, Wichita State is a #10 seed and Dayton a #7 but Wichita State is I believe a 7 point favorite. No question that Wichita State should have been no lower than a 5 0r 6 seed and the seeding is extremely unfair to Dayton, which should be playing a true #10 seed and instead is playing a #5 seed as it was cited in just about every sports show since the brackets were announced. So, If Wichita State wins, should it be considered an upset?
Florida State ended up as the overall #10 and it has analysts scratching their head as to how this can be,FSU is not close to being the #10 overall team and I would not surprised if Dooley’s boys send them packing.
I can see Xavier beating Maryland who, like most Big 10 teams is seeded above where it should be; the Big 10 is the worst it has been in a long time. Other than Purdue and maybe Wisconsin, most of the other team are not that good. I believe Oklahoma State takes down Michigan. Frankly, I don’t see any team from the Big 10 making it out of the first weekend.
Last night I was watching the “experts” bracket discussion on ESPN and they had Gaudio, Adrian Branch former Virginia Player Cory Alexander and two other analysts plus the guy that clicked the selection. When they were discussing KU, Alexander kept saying that since TCU had beaten KU Miami would beat KU and not once he mentioned that Jackson, a second team All-American and arguably the best current player in the team did not play, and while the other analysts preferred KU, the twerp clicking the choices on the big board decide to pick Miami…really? and I mean REALLY??? No wonder ESPN is losing money, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to competent analysts.
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They could have easily switched Wichita’s and Dayton’s seeding around and nobody would have cared. I can’t remember Dayton playing at a 7 seed level unless we have some devout A-10 fans here.
I do agree though that it was a big disservice to both teams that the committee doesn’t know how to properly seed Wichita St.
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Dayton is my undergrad Alma Mater and I follow them. The won the A10 conference and if not for some super long range 3s by Davidson at the end of the game, it probably wins the Tournament as well. In the last 3 years the made the Sweet 16, 3rd round and 1st round. the Coach Archie Miller is consider to top up and coming coach in College basketball and Calipari mentioned just this yesterday. It is a disciplined team that plays hard, much like Wichita, and it should be a good game. Fans travel well and Indianapolis is not too far so there should be decent amount of fans. Nothing would please me more to see Dayton bear Wichita and Kentucky although this is unlikely to happen.
I am not sure why the NCAA seems to hate all Kansas teams. WSU gets routinely under-seeded and KU get the shat often enough. At least, we are the only state with at least 3 Division I teams with all the teams making it to the dance…Kansas is THE basketball state indeed.
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@BShark said:
El poyo would get to post I told you so if that happens.
He only gets to do an I-told-you-so if it is Wiggins’ fault again. Let’s cross up his obsessions.
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@drgnslayr na I have to disagree but that’s what makes for good conversation right? I feel pretty god about WV coming out of the 1st weekend & actually I feel pretty good about Iowa State making it through the 1st weekend. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Do you have ISU beating Purdue then in the round of 32? Iowa St has lost 10 games this season and in all of them they were outrebounded by the opposing team. Purdue is one of the better rebounding teams in the country and they’ll probably be like +10 or +15 on the glass against ISU. Also, ISU has nobody to stop Swanigan. I wouldn’t be surprised if he went for like 30 and 15 against ISU. In general, I don’t pick Big10 teams to advance far in the tournament other than Wisconsin or Michigan St, but I kind of like Purdue this season.
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ISU will run circles around Purdue and kill them with treys.
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@JayHawkFanToo National media hates KS teams because they are small market. To be more precise, maybe the ex-baller analysts like Bilas, Simon, Jay Williams arent biased, but definitely the corporate bias would be towards MARKETS and size-of-TV-audience. Those “other” suits talking heads (the ones who look like they never played sports), are simply biz guys, hired to spin or “ask questions” to the analyst guys, and often, you can tell their own- or partyline-bias in how/what they ask.
We’ve always lamented “east coast bias”, but go one step further: Why? Because just imagine how many TV sets turned away when the Final4 had VCwho in it 1 year, and also the year WichitaSt made the Final4. No matter how deserving WSU was that year. Millions of ad dollars spent on TV ads that were not seen (Wichita who?). Living and growing up in Wichita, I hate to burst Wichitans’ bubble, or for that matter, KSU football’s bubble, as nobody outside the state of KS cares about WSU or KSU.
From a pure basketball standpoint, Self needs to show more in the dance than 1st or 2nd round exits. Dont even the basketball guys always seem to remember the surprise defeats? Maybe to his credit, Self has evolved, as Stanford was a very young, non-F4 caliber team–that team wasnt going to get far. WSU is that bite from a midmajor. And we fought like lions vs Nova, but a 2 possession game magnifies every turnover or FT miss. Or, maybe in the Tourney, Self is simply above-average.
From a natl perspective, I’m extremely curious how this particular KU squad will do this particular year…we also just realized how much Josh adds to this team, especially lately…(by addition and by subtraction). Maybe the best answer to BIFM and DG’s mpg was indeed sit em for over 1 week, and work on defensive principles and on-court communication. Nothing like motivating the guys like only their “final” sustainable loss can do…
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@StLJhawk I pick some crazy picks in about half my brackets, #1 issue is with most people they dont pick enough upsets.
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@ralster I think purdue can win that match up, the only reason they beat us was Frank was the only guy that showed up and they hit a school record in 3s. We killed them on the glass in that game as will purdue.
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@BShark “ISU will run circles around Purdue and kill them with treys.”
They’re going to need to make about 15 or more 3-pointers to win that game.
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@kjayhawks My biggest issue with KU losing to IowaState, wasnt that it broke some streak that honestly matters little, but the fact that shooting 3s is IowaStates calling card…and we “let” them. You could write “we shoot 3s” on IowaState’s gravestone. And they truly live and die by it. 3pt Defense was simply atrocious. And we “let” them do it in our house. So, losing to IowaState only made me privately furious with KU’s defense. If only BIFM had hit his pullup fadeaway 14ftr from right elbow for the W to end regulation! (like he beat Dook in OT).
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Remember, live by the 3, die by the 3. This is the problem of one-dimensional teams like ISU, if the 3s are not going in there is not much else; definitely not an inside game. To win, ISU has to hit over 0.400 from the 3 since it is their bread and butter, otherwise they are in trouble; the margin of error is small.
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@ralster I agree but they were pretty lucky with several of those 3s, our defense is prob the worst in the Self. Im a defensive coach and i get so mad as to why we cant maintain position worth a damn.
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Buncha Clone haters itt I see.
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@BShark Is that you, Melvin?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich The saddest thing about that photo is how frightened Mrs. Weathermax looks (the redhead with the cyclone-red purse). Right behind Melvin’s head, one can see a girl gasping in disbelief.
Melvin, go look in the mirror, and where you’re at in life. Stupidest thing I’ve seen in college basketball in years and years, right along with the brainless herd of cattle mentality by KSU fans (when Jamari got hit from behind).
Melvin made me embarrassed to have IowaSt in the BigXII. KSU fans make me embarrassed to be a Kansan. Made the whole state look bad on natl TV.
Meanwhile, Duke and UNC are sitting over there shaking their head, wondering ‘is this what KU has to deal with over there?’ And 2 years ago Duke did that touching tribute to Dean Smith of UNC. Decorum and chivalry, anyone? And no, for the love of god, EJ dunking that last bucket in the heat of the moment, surely does NOT justify that level of underlying hate to show itself, does it? Never. Tell those supposed ‘knowledgeable’ Hilton fans that running up the score means multiple buckets with the coach’s tacit or overt approval… Idiots!
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@ralster don’t forget Tt fan w/Marcus smart.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Yes. As much of an oddball/screw-loose kid that Marcus Smart was (TheNextRonArtest), that TxTech fan said something to Smart, who then, of course overreacted and embellished the story. But the fan initiated the personal insult, I recall from all the replays.
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I hope all the Big 12 teams win out on the first weekend!
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IowaState can lose, that’s fine. But what’s probably better, is if they win and we play them and get to boot them ourselves. And I hope Frank or Josh ends that game with a dunk on their face. I can at least vicariously hope, eh?
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@drgnslayr I do too, we need to show well this year - - -represent well this year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Fite me irl.
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@BShark Alright, but you’ll have to come to Colorado because I don’t feel like driving through Kansas.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
I am not sure why the NCAA seems to hate all Kansas teams. WSU gets routinely under-seeded and KU get the shat often enough. At least, we are the only state with at least 3 Division I teams with all the teams making it to the dance…Kansas is THE basketball state indeed.
They didn’t distribute the KS teams very well (KSU and WSU face each other if they get past their 1st round opponent) and there are THREE B12 teams in the midwest with KU and ISU – the two B12 champions – seeded to face each other in the Sweet 16.
They don’t do a conference any favors by orchestrating a match-up of conference opponents so early to reduce the number of teams from the conference (and there for the $$$ earned for the conference.)
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North Carolina has 5 teams dancing.
UNC, DUKE, Wake Forest, UNC Wilmington, and NC Central,.
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@bskeet said:
They didn’t distribute the KS teams very well (KSU and WSU face each other if they get past their 1st round opponent) and there are THREE B12 teams in the midwest with KU and ISU – the two B12 champions – seeded to face each other in the Sweet 16.
KSU and WSU wouldn’t meet until the Sweet 16, if they both beat two opponents ranked above them, and of course, the Grapes have to win the play in game.
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@bskeet said:
They didn’t distribute the KS teams very well (KSU and WSU face each other if they get past their 1st round opponent)
Not unusual. Kentucky plays N Kentucky first round, and Florida St is playing FGCU.
Interesting matchup possibilties: Kent State could play Kansas State in the second round, for KSU vs. KSU.
And in the branding rematch, South Carolina could play USC in the Sweet 16. A few years back, USC won a major trademark battle, forcing SC to give up having USC on their hats and apparel. But in common parlance, it could be USC vs. USC.
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I’m all for KSU and WSU playing each other.
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I would have no issues in principle with KSU and WSU playing each other since that means they would’ve eliminated Kentucky and UCLA along the way to get to a meeting and I’m all for dangerous teams like that going down early.
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That is 5 out of 18 Division I schools or 28%. Kansas is sending 3 out of 3 or 100%… No other state with 3 Division I schools or even 2 schools is sending all its teams. Minnesota and Vermont with 1 school each are the only other states that are sending all of it teams…or their only teams. I have not run the per-capita team calculations but it would not surprise me if Kansas is also at the top. No doubt Kansas is THE basketball state.
- Arizona 3
- Idaho 3
- Kansas 3
- Nebraska 3
- Delaware 2
- Montana 2
- Nevada 2
- New Hampshire 2
- New Mexico 2
- North Dakota 2
- South Dakota 2
- West Virginia 2
- Hawaii 1
- Maine 1
- Minnesota 1
- Vermont 1
- Wyoming 1
- Alaska 0
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@JayHawkFanToo Gotcha, mis-read you on my small phone screen. Sorry about that. Thought it said only state with three schools.
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I’d like to see ISU and wsu play.
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I would like to see
WSU - We play mad Vs. KSU - We play harder
…and the winner takes on KU - We just win
