Fran Makes Monumental Flub Up....
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@DanR I’ve seen hanni on hawk talk and I really like him. Haven’t listened to a bb game. Hard for people to accept change.
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It’s all innuendo. He didn’t say it was in order… but one could make that assumption since media usually puts things in order starting from the top. He was working in AFH, and yet the first top venue that comes in his mind is the Hilton? And he had remarkable enthusiasm for the Hilton and just sort of mentioned AFH because he had to.
I’m not trying to whine or be over-sensitive… just pointing out his style of doing things and when you have the microphone you should be thinking about how things appear.
This is his style and how he does things, and most of his negative energy towards Kansas is innuendo and other tactics often hard to “prove.”
Like I said, he should be a politician, or a lawyer, or like most politicians, both.
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I put Fran in a similar light as Bilas. Bilas might be more knowledgable about the game, definitely on subjects outside of the Big 12… both of these guys make plenty of good points in their broadcasts. But they both seem to have axes to grind and that biased approach doesn’t cut it with me.
I could give both of these guys fairly high marks for their work if they just cleaned up their acts.
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It remind me of the time they had a poll on the top college basketball venues among 20-30 basketball writers and analysts and every single one had AFH in the top 2 or 3 except for one that did not list AFH; any guesses who?..MU alumnus Pat Forde.
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Did we mention he thinks self should give up his HOF nomination to Eddie or some other guy? Who does that? I’m going to whine a lot about him! He associates his name w/others to make himself look good. Could I draw up what relocate means to all you KU unbb educated fans again?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I thought that comment was more about Self’s respect for Sutton, since as we know HCBS always pays tribute to those from whom he has learned. Not unusual to think a protege would want his mentor before him after he has been waiting awhile.
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@mayjay not Fran’s place
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While Sutton was a very good coach, he also had big issues complying with rules. Rule violations at Kentucky during his watch brought the program within a whisker of the death penalty and he was forced to resign; he also left the OSU program under a black cloud. These are some of the reasons that have made it difficult for him to be nominated so far and perhaps he never will be…voters seem to frown upon law breakers, otherwise Charlie Hussle would be in the Baseball HOF.
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@approxinfinity Gee, how’d you ever guess ?
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@RockChalkinTexas Ole’ Bob got wound up tightern’ an 8 day clock … What a treasure.
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As I said the other day, his woody for Hilton and IowaSt is getting old. Of course that caused “Hilton” to be mentioned first, no doubt. I mean, he’s doing the damn game live right there in AFH on the halfcourt line, yet says some “other” place first. How transparent is that? Go ahead and dismiss it if you want, but why give him an out?
And how about leaving out Cameron Indoor? Would “knowledgeable” basketball fans pick Hilton over Cameron? Really? I would actually say I’d bucket list going to a game in Cameron, in DeanDome, and at Rupp…but I’d never put Hilton on that list.
Early senility? He’s lost all perspective. Why dont they assign him to do IowaState’s games, and OU’s games (since his son played there)? I’ll take Bob Knight over Fran anyday. Even when he said to “sit” senior Sherron, I didnt agree because I knew what Self would say about it, but I at least respected Knight as having a legitimate coach’s perspective. Fraschilla’s drivel is nonsense, at least he talks so softly, he gets half-drowned out by all the sneaker-squeaking game noises.
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@ralster agreed - I honestly don’t know why nobody likes Knight. My dad and I always enjoyed listening to him do our games. Like you said, he provided a genuine, no nonsense coach’s perspective to the games. Really unfortunate
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@ralster The Cameron thing was based on his broadcasting preferences–apparently they put the broadcasters up too high compared to other arenas.
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I’ve always liked Knight calling the games. Sure, you have to put up with him messing up player names, etc., but he actually KNOWS basketball and is truly one of the architects of the game.
I’ve tried to tolerate Fran, I really have. But he makes it tough.
“Early senility? He’s lost all perspective.”
The business of sports media is a frenetic business area full of fear-driven non-sports media and marketing wonks. I worked for over a decade in that field. These people are always looking over their shoulders… afraid they are being passed up on the ratings charts.
I kind of wonder if they are attempting to bring back the “color man” concept? Remember that? The idea was to have one sportscaster “off his/her rocker” to bring in a different perspective and kind of break things up. Keep it light and jovial.
I say that after having to tolerate Bill Walton doing UCLA games. Sad thing is, I’m a Walton fan… going back to his UCLA/Wooden days. But his thoughts have become so distorted that he is taking away from the game he is calling. I’m there to watch the Bruins, not to listen to Bill’s ramblings.
Fran is just a half-step away from Bill (Walton) now. Fran says crazy things but he usually has enough vagueness in there to keep his bases covered. Walton just goes off, completely unfiltered.
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We all hear things through our own filter, I suppose. Mine filter is pretty tight anti-IowaState, ever since the EJ39 game, and that slightly tarnished Hoiberg a bit, but I still respect him. He was a worthy foe, as was Larry Eustachy. We’ll see about Prohm. The fanbase beshat themselves on natl TV, though, just like the purple jokers in Manlesshattan. At least we have a better purple (Beware the Frog!) with Jamie Dixon and TCU.
My filter towards Jay Bilas is rather accepting. I like his tone. He speaks like a fellow blueblood alum, which he is. Agree or not with his point of the moment, at least he articulates himself well enough to follow the logic line (agenda or not). He’s not as transparent as Gottlieb, DickieV, Fraschilla.
Of course, we could lobby for Kevin Harlan to do KU games! Miss him doing the Chiefs games “oh, baby…what a play…!”, but Trent Green is absolutely acceptable, and rather special actually. Miles Simon certainly has my respect as well. My condolence on his loss.
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@drgnslayr Agree about Bill Walton. I watched a Pac12 game he was commenting on, and it seemed to be a sideshow-comedy-relief, as he often flabbergasts his partner. But there is a segment of SoCal intelligentsia that absolutely love Walton’s schtick. They get the humor. He’s their guy. It is very different from midwestern sensibilities or East coast conventional thought.
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Yeah… you called it right on Walton. I just can’t ponder existentialism while trying to focus on hoops.
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@HawkChamp Knight was a good broadcaster early on, but he got progressively worse each season. Nonstop talk about playera not using a shot fake. His final year of doing Big 12 games, a couple of friends and I did a drinking game for every time Knight talked about a shot fake. We had to stop at halftime so nobdy wpuld have to go to the hospital.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 yes but thats basketball related AND HE’S RIGHT! Players dont utilize it nearly enough
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I’d bet he’d LOVE to watch Mrs. Hinson play
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@Texas-Hawk-10 ha ha
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I like Bob Knight. I always enjoyed hearing the perspective of a HOF coach and I always felt like I learned something new from just listening to him.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree Knight seemed to be less effective as time went on. Honestly, I used a different filter with him, like I would with an elderly grandpa. You know older folks seem to cling to vestiges or cornerstones of their past personas. One could also say Knight forgot more about basketball than many people in their prime actually know…(isnt that how that cliche goes?) But, ultimately, everyone’s time comes, and I believe Knight’s time came. Look how split the KU fanbase’s opinion is on Knight, and we are supposedly knowledgeable basketball fans.
But you know what was absolutely the worst? Brent Mustyberger and his encyclopedia of baseball-isms along with Bob Knight. Just not a lot of personality in that pairing. 2 old sweaters, 1 red, and 1 blue. Cartoonish pairing…
What might have been funny, is to pair Bilas with Knight, and listen to Knight “lecture” Bilas, since Krzyzewski played for Knight on an Army roster, I believe?
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@HawkChamp The issue with Knight pointing it was that he was doing it every other possession without adding much else towards the end of his Big 12 run.
