Ten Random thoughts on Siena
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The three point shooting really can’t get worse. Missing lots of wide open looks.
As for Lucas the problem is Self is going to run his offense for better or for worse so when Lucas is in the game he will be getting the ball in the post. The issue against Siena is he tried to force it/do too much. Lucas of all kids. When he plays within himself he is fine.
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Agree he does well when he does what is expected of him. I just don’t believe we can reach the level we want with him consistently playing the way he does. 4 guards with Bragg or if Doke can become reliable are honestly our best lineups
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Totally agree. There is a reason Vick played 32 minutes. If Josh can stay out of foul trouble he will play 30+ as well. Self went a little overboard on Doke considering he pretty much didn’t play again after not getting one particular rebound.
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I think what got Doke benched was the 3 their 5 made on him where Doke was totally lost. Reminded me of Cliff his freshman year. Doke is a good play against Centers without range. He is just so raw around the edges right now
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Vick & Josh are so long and athletic that they can play guys taller which gives this team lots of interchangeable options on defense. Nova has thrived with guys like those that can guard above their pay grade
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@BeddieKU23 said:
I think what got Doke benched was the 3 their 5 made on him where Doke was totally lost. Reminded me of Cliff his freshman year. Doke is a good play against Centers without range. He is just so raw around the edges right now
That’s fair. He is way too unpolished to be able to do much against stretch 5s.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Vick & Josh are so long and athletic that they can play guys taller which gives this team lots of interchangeable options on defense. Nova has thrived with guys like those that can guard above their pay grade
Yeah it goes against what Self believes in but it’s the best thing for this team right now.
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Yeah it goes against what Self believes in but it’s the best thing for this team right now.
Couldn’t have said it better.
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@stoptheflop I suspect there was a major lesson taught not amenable to an ordinary tongue lashing: You don’t play lackadaisically at KU. If you decide not to try, please sit this one out. No “gimmees” for even second tier opponents.
I had an English teacher throw my theme in the trash when I commented while turning it in that it wasn’t very good. She asked why she should waste her time if I wasn’t going to try? I took it out and told her I had tried but was having trouble getting it on paper. She reluctantly accepted it, but man was I scared straight.
First lesson, try hard. Second, don’t denigrate your own effort! Lesson One led to getting nine straight As or A+'s for the rest of my assignments. Lesson Two – well, sometimes I have been able to keep my mouth shut…
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@BeddieKU23 So let a Siena center score on Doke, that’s how he’s going to learn what to expect and how to defend D1 centers. Benching him against Siena was a mistake.
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I see your point but its not how Self does things. He expects you to understand scouting report and do your job.
We are seeing the highs and lows of Doke. Their is no question he will have games that he looks very good and others where he’s still learning. The Seina game was one where he made mistakes and got benched
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I think we all want Doke to play. A lot of us in fact probably disagree with Self’s approach to the situation. However it will not change.
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@stoptheflop Argue with Self.
“I think it’ll do us some good,” Self said of the victory, calling it more of a must-win game for Kansas than it probably was for Duke. “For the first time we won a game when we shot it like crap — 2-of-17 from three, 9-of-19 from the (free throw) line — but they don’t get transition points and we controlled the glass. It’s not that complicated.”
Don’t get back, don’t rebound- Don’t play. Do both and play plenty. How fast will they learn?
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@BShark You mean Coach Self doesn’t read and implement my posts immediately ? Bummer. Do you have his cell number? He probably wants my input. Honestly, my opinions really only matter to me; not even my wife pays any attention to them.
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@stoptheflop Self is waiting for this season’s HEM posts before switching to any other Board Rat.
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If a poster here could be head coach for one game, who would you vote for? What coaching changes would we see? Just for fun now, no serious criticism intended.
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@BeddieKU23 Tired legs is our reason for poor shooting? Tired legs from what? We’ve played 3 games. They’re in college, in other words, they’re young elite athletes. I agree with most posters that say our shooters will come around.
@stoptheflop Not touching that one of who here should coach for one game! Except, I’ve officially removed my name from consideration!
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@wissox I actually think that would be interesting to see how an intelligent poster would do. I obviously don’t think anyone here would do as well as Self, but I think some here would be more open to trying something a little different and experimenting more.
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@wissox How can a KU fan not be concerned about FTs? When we watch the Warriors play an NBA game and someone clanks a couple my wife usually asks me if the played for Kansas
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@sfbahawk Did she go to Syracuse by any chance?
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But there not machines either.
Shooting will improve but Mason/Graham are tired, they have played almost an entire half more then the next closest guy (vick)
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@sfbahawk I said I’m not concerned because I think Bill will fix it.
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Did anyone else noticed that Lucas went back to his old, short hair style?
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Hopefully the team starts fast against UAB. Self should have plenty of ammo.
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UAB with Haase was a good team. Without him they lost to Furman. Still have a veteran lineup. Should be a game we win by 20
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While Kenpom isn’t the final authority or anything UAB is 17 spots below Siena.
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@BeddieKU23 said:
UAB with Haase was a good team. Without him they lost to Furman. Still have a veteran lineup. Should be a game we win by 20
That’s good, my niece goes to Furman!
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Udoka looked absolutely clueless against Siena. Benching him was the right call because it was a bad match up for him just like Missouri was a bad match up for Jeff Withey. For young guys, sometimes sitting on the bench and watching the game can be more valuable than playing because the coaches can point stuff out to Udoka as it’s happening that they wouldn’t be able to if he was on the floor.
While a lot of bench time isn’t good for young players, the occasional game like Siena was is not a bad thing because it’s a different type of learning going on that can be just as effective.
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@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, and a lot of the guards are trying to be like Kevin Young. I love it.
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KY had a pretty well kept fro, the new style is more along the lines of what we used to call “bed head.”
