Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT
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Flory for me, then Tre.
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@Jayhawk_69 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Reportedly, Bill Self has said that Melvin Council has been "hands down" the MVP of the team so far. Thoughts?
Personally, I like Melvin a lot but I would give the nod to Tre.
I think Tre likes to be the silent assassin. Teams aren't focusing on him with double teams and their prime defender, so he can go get his almost at will. He's the best rebounding guard I think Kansas has ever had. And he's one of the few Jayhawks who understands how to draw fouls in our entire history. I acknowledge Frank and Devonte as being good at this, too... but not like Tre.
Mel is an energy/emotion guy! He turns it up most when receiving praise. And he does deserve plenty of praise!
I still can't get over Fran Fraschilla criticizing this group Self recruited from the portal. He always has to find something wrong with KU.
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@drgnslayr Fran is usually a year behind reality.
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Obviously I can only evaluate what is seen on TV in games (not practices, etc.) With that in mind, Melvin has been the most pleasant surprise. But from what I've seen, the tone is at least equally set by the energy of Tre and Flory.
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Fran is getting dumber every yr! I can’t believe he knocked us on live tv!
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Just a couple of things in comparison.---NC State is averaging 15 points more then us per game 89/74- - -averaging eight steals per and I think we get five - - --and they are shoot close to five percent better from the three.
Conclusion? -- - should be easy enough to remedy -- three keys : Take care of the ball , we have done pretty good with that only 10.9 per - --- as far as the scoring per again should be easy, we either got to be really aggressive on the defensive side of the end , get right in their grill/slow them from limit transition breakouts and run ourselves which I think DP can spear head that, then guard the three- - - -no easy open three's
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Part of that point differential is tempo. According to kenpom NCSt plays with the 73rd fastest tempo in the country, which is one above-average. We play with the 254th fastest, which is one of the slowest.
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Sounds like Darryn should be good to go
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Was really hoping our tempo would increase this season with the athletes we have but that's not happening
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Self presser said he practiced Tuesday (off day Monday for team) and no issues. Fingers crossed.
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@Jayhawk_69 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Reportedly, Bill Self has said that Melvin Council has been "hands down" the MVP of the team so far. Thoughts?
Personally, I like Melvin a lot but I would give the nod to Tre.
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That's a pretty positive review by Self.
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I heard someone say on the could be wrong podcast that people who don't love council are just not BALL knowers. Couldn't agree more. And I know DP is great. Like really really good. But I still just would rather watch Council bring the ball up than DP. The energy he brings to every step he takes on the court is infectious. (I'm not saying Council should play instead of DP just to be clear) Hopefully they will complement each other with one being so calm cool and collected and the other being always ready to be a burst of pure energy. DP is great. Maybe the best freshman we've ever had, but it's watching guys like Council that make it easy for me to be a Jayhawk fan.
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@benshawks08 I see DP has more of a 2 guard at this point that can bring the ball up periodically. Council reminds me a lot of Tyshawn and he was fun to watch as well.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Self presser said he practiced Tuesday (off day Monday for team) and no issues. Fingers crossed.
Yep this is what I was referencing I should have full sent it
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@kjayhawks2.0 I agree. It is interesting that Self has DP bring the ball up instead of Melvin. I would prefer to see it the other way around so Melvin can take advantage if the defense is lazy in getting set and so that DP can focus on moving without the ball and getting into scoring position instead of running the point.
But, Self knows much more than I do.
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@ROCKCHALK2025 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Conclusion? -- - should be easy enough to remedy -- three keys : Take care of the ball , we have done pretty good with that only 10.9 per
I'm 99% certain that has to do with having Vaughn on the bench.
This team doesn't play like any other team we've ever had, and part of that is how they are learning how to take care of the ball. Self always focused on aggressive defense and never really specifically focused on taking care of the rock. The reduction in TOs is because of Vaughn. He's teaching them how to pass... like... how to pass out of a double-team.
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@tundrahok Wow, I guess Coach knows Council better than I do! He shoots too much has been my impression. I do like his energy. Calling him MVP is a surprise to me!
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Council leads the conference in minutes played per game. The guy before DP came back was probably Elmarko who can get it done mostly but Melvin can play defense and wants to. Council has shot sub 40 every year and it looks like the floaters he uses when penetrating are still a bit awkward. I guess DP will run things more or less now and having Melvin as a wing is good because he can assist and was getting better and better at that all year. Now that we can average 80 I think he will be good in whatever role he is in. This roster goes eight deep plus I keep dreaming of Dawson getting comfortable and going off from three. DP, Flory and Tre, Melvin and Tiller are reliable on both ends and are scoring 69 points between them. Now that Elmarko, who can go off and Jamari who defends and hits 3 balls this teams is going to get tougher and tougher to beat. Of course worry wart me is nervous about NCSU and their tall deep shooters.
