Made it home to the motherland for this one. Better atmosphere than I expected for a Sunday afternoon game during the holiday break. Always nice to see KU play well in this game before Christmas when they’ve had a history of laying an egg in this game. Hopefully Rylan’s not out long term.
OU remains undefeated with an improbable win over Michigan. OU was down 3, Jeremiah Fears hit a deep 3 with 11 seconds left and was fouled on the shot and hit the FT to win it after Michigan missed a couple of attempts to win it.
In theory, there’s two versions of KU’s best offensive line up. One with KJ and one without KJ. With KJ, Dejuan, Mayo/Coit, Griffen, and Dickinson. The one without Adams would be Storr in his place. Griffen, Mayo, and Coit can space the floor which allows Harris to drive and do his thing on offense.
Storr isn’t as effective this season because there’s not the space for him to drive. It could work if Dickinson at the top of the key setting a screen for Storr.
In least shocking thing ever, Dybansta has officially committed to BYU.
Every player on this roster has significant holes in their game and every line up combination Self can utilize has at least one glaring weakness on one end of the court.
Self did upgrade the athleticism of the roster, but he over corrected and brought in a bunch of guys who either don’t try on defense (Storr and Mayo) or just aren’t good defenders (Griffen and Coit).
The newcomers that can play defense (Moore, Bidunga, and Passmore) are offensive liabilities at this stage. I do believe Passmore and Bidunga will be serviceable offensively next season. The rumored Moore for Tillman swap doesn’t help that issue as Tillman isn’t a great natural athlete based on scouting reports so he won’t fix the defensive issues in the front court.
This was something I was saying all offseason about the roster construction for this year being very flawed and the incoming players skills not complimenting the returning players skill sets.
Next season is what I’m much more looking forward to because KU will have a group whose games compliment each other better. Jackson, Peterson, Passmore, Tillman, and Bidunga is a good line up that is much more complete than this season and that’s before any other transfers come in.
KU has hired DK McDonald as the new Defensive Coordinator and CB coach. He’s been a DB coach with the Philadelphia Eagles for the past 4 seasons and was at Iowa St. for 4 years before that.
@SlimShaddy54 Big 12 doesn’t release the football schedule for the next season until the end of January. The only 3 KU games that have dates for next season are the 3 non-conference games against Fresno St. (Aug. 23), Wagner (Aug. 30) and at Missouri (Sept. 6).
The home and away opponents during conference play through 2027 are known, just not specific dates yet.
Game was lost because KU couldn’t stop turning the ball over in the first half and Self waited too late to switch who was guarding Bates. Having Mayo and Storr on Bates let him do whatever the hell he wanted to do today.
The defensive liabilities of this team are starting to show up and play out and the rumored roster move at semester isn’t going to help, it’s only going to make that issue worse.
@SlimShaddy54 Conference schedule hasn’t been set yet, only opponents and home/away.
@DCHawker I don’t think Alabama should be in over SMU this season. You should read up a few posts and you’ll see that.
Your post I was responding to was specifically comparing Penn St. and SMU’s rankings. PSU has “better” losses than SMU is why PSU is ahead of SMU.
@DCHawker Quality of losses. PSU lost to two teams were in the playoffs regardless of beating PSU and are regarded as the two favorites to win the national title this season. SMU’s losses are viewed as worse because BYU didn’t make the B12 title game and Clemson is only in because of beating SMU.
SMU shouldn’t be punished for losing by a FG in a conference championship game when Alabama didn’t play in one at all. For Bama, don’t lose to a pair of 6-6 teams
@Crimsonorblue22 Zuby is the one I’m most disappointed in losing in recent years. Many thought I was crazy saying I would rather have had Zuby over Udeh, but Zuby to me always had the higher ceiling because of his defense. With some range in his game now too, Zuby has become the more versatile player overall from Udeh as well.
Here’s the stats for the Big 12 RB’s this season.
Devin Neal had 1266 yards and 16 TD’s rushing along with 24 receptions for 254 yards a 1 TD for a total of 1520 yards and 17 TD’s.
1st Team RB’s were Cam Skattebo (ASU) and RJ Harvey (UCF)
Skattebo had 1398 yards and 17 TD’s rushing and 35 receptions for 468 yards and 2 TD’s for 1866 total yards and 19 TD’s.
Harvey had 1577 yards and 22 TD’s rushing and 20 receptions for 267 yards and 3 TD’s for a total of 1844 yards and 25 TD’s.
The second team backs were Tahj Brooks (Tech) and DJ Giddens (KSU).
Brooks had 1505 yards and 17 TD’s rushing and 28 receptions for 199 yards and a TD for a total of 1804 yards and 18 TD’s.
Giddens had 1343 yards and 7 TD’s rushing and 21 receptions for 258 yards and 1 TD for a total of 1601 yards and 8 TD’s.
Skattebo, Harvey and Brooks are guys I don’t have a problem with being slotted ahead of Neal because their numbers all around were better than Neal’s. Giddens is who I would strongly argue didn’t deserve 2nd team honors and should’ve been Neal because of the TD’s.
It’s December, Self isn’t emptying the bag of tricks this early in the season. This is also a team we’ll have the potential to see again in March so why show everything? Also being shorthanded with the guy out being the key piece to countering Creighton’s defense because of his shooting meant Self likely knew this would be a long game.
Also, did the Creighton game really expose anything that Self didn’t already know about the weaknesses of his team?
Losing sucks and brings out the worst of this fanbase, but there wasn’t anything shocking going on here. KU played a good team short handed that exploited a known weakness. Self isn’t going to show what his counter to that strategy is in December, especially without Griffen available.
@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah. We probably would have wound up something like 5-7 with him at the helm. My bad.
Marshall clearly wasn’t ready this season. Remember how awful Daniels looked as a true freshman in his limited reps? It was obvious that Daniels wasn’t ready at that point. There’s a reason why Leipold didn’t move Marshall up the depth chart until the last 4 games and why Leipold was looking at potential transfer QB’s had Daniels left. It’s clear by the staff’s actions they don’t believe Marshall is ready to take over as the starting QB at KU yet. Next season will likely be a battle between Marshall and incoming freshman McComb to see who takes over at QB in 2026 and the loser of that battle likely transferring out.
There’s not a chance KU would’ve gone 5-7 with Marshall at QB this season.
@kjayhawks Giddens was a dumb ass while at KU who deserved to kicked off the team for that bar fight.
Volleyball with a 3-0 sweep over Colgate tonight in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament. Will host Florida tomorrow night at 6:30pm in the 2nd round.
@stoptheflop Hunter being the last one down on offense after a defensive rebound is intentional because of 2 things. First, it keeps the lane clear while KU is bringing the ball up the court so our guards and wings can drive the ball into a clear lane for a layup. Second is that Hunter is a good enough outside shooter that if he’s the trailer and left unguarded at the top of the key, he will take that shot.
Also, before he got hurt, Banchero was averaging 29 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 5.6 apg. He legitimately deserves the hype he’s getting because it won’t be much longer before he’s a legit top 10 player in the NBA.
We rip on other fan bases for letting KU live rent free in their heads so why are we letting Duke live rent free in ours?
Biggest concern for Mayo is his defense. In the Duke game, he was the one consistently leaving Proctor open in the corner when he was scorching the net.
@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 the “star” ratings aren’t Always the most reliable judge of a player’s ability. 55 tds and 5,000-ish yards in one season says something. He was recruited by a lot of too ranked teams.
HS football in Michigan isn’t the same as Texas, Ohio, Louisiana, Florida, or California. Michigan and Ole Miss were the only highly ranked programs at the time that offered. He was not someone they were looking at with the intention of starting from day 1. He was depth for each program.
Marshall may end up being a really good QB, but he was never expected to be at that level from day 1, including here at KU.
@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
I’m curious about why this guy is sitting on the bench.
Isaiah Marshall
H.S. Athletic Background 2023: Had 3,114 yards and 39 touchdowns passing with 1,507 yards and 16 rushing touchdowns while leading his team to a state title.
Marshall was only a 3 star recruit so it’s not like he was expected to come in and tear it up immediately. 3 stars generally need a year or two before they start becoming ready to play.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in 2006 we actually went 6-6 and were bowl eligible. There just wasn’t near as many bowls as there is now. I wish this team only gave away 4 games, then we’d be 8-4 or 7-5z I hate to break this to you but this isn’t D3 football. We don’t have to argue but mark my words this will cripple this program for a half of decade. Hope the next staff can sustain success.
D3 titles mean Leipold and his staff had to identify and develop talent because the best athletes in the region weren’t banging down the down to go to a D3 school. Those players went there because they weren’t good enough players to play FBS, FCS, or D2 football and Leipold and staff had to develop that talent to maintain that level of success because those are the only 6 titles in that programs history.
And when transfer players are considering KU, they don’t just look at the overall record, they will look and see that KU was very close to being a 10 win team and has lots of playing time available. KU isn’t going to have the on field drop off you think they will next season.
@kjayhawks Just fucking stop with the cancel the program bullshit, joking or not. It’s played out, unoriginal, and just stupid fucking take. Leipold didn’t win 6 D3 titles by accident, didn’t make Buffalo relevant by accident?
Were you spouting this same shitty take after 2006 when KU didn’t make a bowl and lost 4 games they should’ve won as well?
I know today was frustrating, but at least we didn’t have to deal with the dumb shit that’s gone on at several games today including the Michigan/OSU game, UNC/NCST game, the ND/USC game, and the UT/A&M game which had fights either during or after the game.
KU scores 86 and only has 2 in double figures. Didn’t get to watch due to driving back from Waco, but sounded like that 3 from Furman that made it a 1 point game is what lit the fire because KU outscored Furman 59-25 over the last 26 minutes of the game.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Well, we were riding such a high for the last month. Sad to see we couldn’t make a bowl game after the momentum we had. Baylor was also on a big roll though, so not an easy road game. But a bitch slapping was very unexpected.
Now it’s the waiting game to see who comes and goes — both players and staff.
I don’t follow the recruiting side of things, so not sure what’s on the horizon. But lots of you have said we’re losing most of our offense? Ugh.
We’re losing most starters on both sides of the ball. We have 4 starters on offense that could return (Daniels and 3 OLinemen), and 4 starters on defense that could return (1 LB and 3 DLinemen), and our punter on special teams.
KU has 38 seniors total and only 16 commits for next season so far (15 HS and 1 transfer) so if Leipold is making staff changes, they need to happen relatively quickly so they can get to work to bring in some players.
No chance the staff thinks Daniels is leaving, otherwise Marshall should’ve taken over this drive to get some live game reps and not burn his redshirt.
@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
I just turned the TV on. What happened?
Defense can’t tackle anything today is the biggest issue.
Can’t tackle for shit today
KU has to get something going to the left side of the field. Just about every running plays is going right because of Brown being out, and Baylor has keyed in on that.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 you said no one reached, that wasn’t true. They showed people reaching on TV. So by definition you are a liar. Sorry maybe you can’t see the whole field not sure.
I could see the players involved, Grimm did not react at all. Lance Leipold did not react at all. Those are the two who should’ve been arguing, but didn’t because the pass was a good 7-8’ over Grimm’s head and not catchable. And having a hand on someone isn’t holding, grabbing the jersey is, and since Grimm didn’t react at all to the refs not calling anything, he knew it was a legal play.
Also, if nobody is aware, KU is playing without Logan Brown today who got hurt during pregame warmups.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@wissox right I’m fine to disagree but nothing like a flat liar. LL idk because they didn’t show
I’m in the stadium and saw way more of the reactions than what was on TV, nobody involved in that play even looked at the refs, but of course I’m a liar making shit up.
@wissox said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Announcer acting like Jaylon hasn’t made some downfield throws today. He had the really bad INT, but has made some really nice passes.
He’s been overthrowing a lot, even the deep catches have mostly been circus catches today.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 the players did reacted number 87 was jumping up and down doing the the throwing the flag motion
1 player that was away from the play, not the guy involved, or Leipold who we all know never gets animated about bad ref calls ever.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 that was PI all day or holding, had LJ by his collar the whole way down the field.
Whatever you claim dude, the players and coaches not reacting at all to that play should tell you all you need to know whether or not they thought it was a missed call.
@wissox said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 It looked in the neighborhood.
None of KU’s players or coaches were arguing for a flag on that play. I’m at the game and nobody from KU reacted like it was a missed call.
@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 still can call Holding
It wasn’t a hold, Grimm was pushed down.
Pass was uncatchable, that’s why there was no flag there, Grimm not reacting should be all the evidence he knew it was uncatchable.
Secondary definitely needs to pick it up this drive. Baylor’s getting whatever they want through the air.
@DCHawker Florida has looked pretty salty so far too. They had a 27-0 run during their 37 point win over previously undefeated Wichita St. today and have won every game by double digits so far including a 13 point win over a solid FSU team.
Oklahoma is also looking good so far this season as they’re currently up on Louisville in the championship game of the Battle 4 Atlantis.
@stoptheflop said in Other Football Games of Interest:
Boy, OkState’s fall from grace/competence is something to behold. They look awful against Colo right now. From league favorite to cellar. Just Wow.
The other favorite to win the Big 12 is currently 1-7 in conference play too. It’s crazy how inverted the standings are compared to the preseason expectations.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Other Football Games of Interest:
Things could get really weird for the Big 12 in bowl season. There very possibly aren’t enough bowl tie ins for all the potential 6 win teams. It’s an artifact of the former PAC schools playing in PAC bowls. There are 12 Big 12 teams who can get to 6 wins. The Big 12 has up to 8 bowl tie-ins and the PAC has 6. USC and UCLA can get bowl eligible, Wazzu already is, Oregon State could as well. Might be a giant train wreck.
Tulane losing to Memphis yesterday was big for the Big 12 because that pretty much eliminates any chance of the B12 champs missing the playoffs.
@stoptheflop said in KU / Duke Takeaways:
The Las Vegas tournament is weird: Duke Kansas play first, then 3 and 4 days later both teams play the lower seeds in the tournament, Seattle U and Furman. I guess that’s why its called a showdown and not a tournament. I see that Furman played Seattle on Wedn and won. So, KU beats Duke for the chance to play the winner of the Furman Seattle game. Strange
This isn’t a tournament. Furman and Seattle played right after the KU/Duke game. KU playing Furman and Duke playing Seattle was already scheduled before the outcome of that game since these are on campus games for KU and Duke.
@wissox The main video board in the middle of the arena was showing the ESPN feed. Eventually in the second half at some point, they had a stats board come on the at least one of the corners of the arena.
@BShark said in Happy Thanksgiving!:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Happy Thanksgiving!:
This sr class in both fb and bb has been a huge blessing to us/KU! Very thankful! Gonna hate to see them go.
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Let’s finish!
Bowl game would be so big. 3 in a row has never been done at KU EVER.
A win Saturday would also do something else KU hasn’t done since the 1967 amd 1968 seasons, a winning conference record in back to back seasons.
Duke has an 8 man rotation and their smallest players are 6-5. If Coit is in, his only use is as a 3 point shooter because nobody is scared of him driving so he’s going to have issues with playability all season, especially in league play where teams typically have more size.
@wissox said in KU vs Duke Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 My experience is neutral floor fans that have to travel are not going to be the rowdy freshmen that are drunk, rude, crude and obnoxious. The exception being the Kentucky fans I met in 2012 in the SuperDome.
I dealt with that group in San Antonio in 2022 with Villanova fans. Those fans generally lived down to the expectations of Philly fans of being total assholes. Vegas is also a major travel destination for rich kids, which Duke has plenty of, looking for a debaucherous time since recreational weed is legal in Nevada, unlike North Carolina amd have plenty of money to blow. Even with that, the students I interacted with fine and not like Missouri, Kentucky, KSU, ISU, or Villanova’s fans.
