Bevo Steak Tastes Bad Game Thread
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Oklahoma.
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@BShark thanks
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Remember our walk on fell on his kid accidentally ? Or hit him?
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He had another kid that went to Harvard as well I think.
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Big win
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@BeddieKU23 thought it was a fugly win but I’ll take it
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Now for 2 home games
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WV and TCU go down!!!
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@BeddieKU23 fun 2nd half, they cooled off. Dvring post game. Watching shocks vs grimes.
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Grimes doesn’t start.
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@Crimsonorblue22 thought it was one of the better halves that they have played this year
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@Crimsonorblue22 mentioned this somewhere on here recently. He has been trailing off lately. SOFT.
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I still want him to do good.
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Especially today
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@Crimsonorblue22 Wonder if his camp is still blaming Bill for his performance when he was given every opportunity here, never benched.
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tundrahok said:
@wissox Fran did rag on the Texas players mid second half, called them out for lack of effort. He also called out the crowd for lack of energy.
Yet he still pissed me off several times. I just wonder if fans from other teams get as annoyed with him as we do?
The crowd part was justified, Erwin was maybe 70% full and dead for most of the game. If anyone has ever seen it or been in it, it’s basically a giant concrete mausoleum. Moody Center should definitely be a big upgrade for them. A smaller basketball capacity and more modern look is something I’m looking forward to in 3 seasons.
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He called it a hospital. Maybe after somebody fell ill? Jk
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When did moss hit the 3?
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Austin has some of the worst traffic control ever for postgame events.
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@BShark maybe his daddy finally has accepted he ain’t Jordan. He started the honeymoon good down there against Haskell level competition.
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Anybody see post game?
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Braun playing 4 minutes. Self is sealing our fate here in typical Self fashion.
Some coaches play for March. Some don’t. He doesn’t. He’s probably more worried about winning a meaningless conference title.
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@HighEliteMajor Braun sucked today when he was in. I’m not afraid to criticize Self but Braun is not a huge factor in how far this KU team will go in the tournament.
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@BShark I agree about Braun today but also see @HighEliteMajor That he doesn’t coach for March in the slightest. I was surprised that Tristan didn’t get many minutes with how inefficient Ochai and Braun both were.
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Tristan was awful when he played. He has been bad lately. I’m not surprised that two freshman are not consistent. I wish our bench was better.
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BShark said:
@Crimsonorblue22 Wonder if his camp is still blaming Bill for his performance when he was given every opportunity here, never benched.
Telling that HCBS wouldn’t bench him, but Kelvin Sampson has. Grimes averaging 6-7 points over his last 5 games. Don’t wish ill of the kid. Just ridiculous that he isn’t close to one of the best players for Houston in the AAC, yet somehow HCBS was convinced that he deserved to play 30 minutes a game for the Jayhawks - all visual and statistical evidence to the contrary…
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@DCHawker who was Bill going to play, Teahan? I guess Charlie Moore or KJ Lawson. All options sucked last year after Doke got hurt and Vick was told to pound sand.
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Next year we might finally have a full roster. Though Bill will mainly play 6-7 guys as always.
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This win keeps us in the race. Great to see… hoping we can get back to the vintage foot-on-the-throat-of-the-conference mode.
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@BShark self has given those 3 chances, when they produced they got more time. Gotta be ready!
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BShark said:
Next year we might finally have a full roster. Though Bill will mainly play 6-7 guys as always.
I’ll just be glad to add a dam shooter.
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BShark said:
Tristan was awful when he played. He has been bad lately. I’m not surprised that two freshman are not consistent. I wish our bench was better.
hell about the only time I seen Tristian today was as just about as long it took for him to tie his shoe’s lol
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@jayballer73 gotta hope for some internal improvement mostly. We gain Bryce but lose Moss. Braun, Wilson and Agbaji can make shots but we need them improved and healthy. Don’t think Tyon is much of a shooter but he is a good player.
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BShark said:
@DCHawker who was Bill going to play, Teahan? I guess Charlie Moore or KJ Lawson. All options sucked last year after Doke got hurt and Vick was told to pound sand.
Fair enough - although he was keeping him as a starter before the Vick implosion. Bigger issue is what does it say about our depth and recruiting when the almighty Houston Cougars can relegate him to the bench and be better off as a result…
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@DCHawker today they said he was their #1 scorer til conference and now, #2.
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@BShark I see Braun’s development as critical to our chances in March. Otherwise we have no 5th perimeter player. Dave will be irrelevant in many games.
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@DCHawker last year was a very bad situation brought on by failed recruiting in previous years leading to a large influx of transfers. Charlie was a baffling take a terrible fit with Self as I stated at the time. KJ probably should have played more, imo.
To be fair Grimes did still play 23 minutes today.
There is also the unfortunate politik aspect. I think that was a factor here.
@HighEliteMajor part of it today was the opponent. This was a David game. He played well and got 20 minutes. There will be games, like you suggest where he isn’t as playable, and plays mainly only as Doke’s back-up. In these games there will be more perimeter minutes. Seems like Bill is maybe taking a hot hand approach with Moss and Braun. I’m not fully sure. Self definitely clenched today and did his usual play six guys in a big game thing. It’s just who he is. Bill will never play a real 9 player rotation in games that matter. Tristan, Silvio and Braun all had a short leash today. Braun needed to be more assertive.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@DCHawker today they said he was their #1 scorer til conference and now, #2.
That is true - was their leading scoring at 13 ppg and just behind in second now - and averaging 30 mpg. But something is clearly amiss given that he is no longer starting and in his last 5 games his scoring totals are 10, 5, 5, 4 and 10.
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@DCHawker oh, I agree w/u. I saw most of the game, missed a wide open bunny! Traveled. Made all or most of his throws. Playing not to screw up is an awful way to play.
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 gotta hope for some internal improvement mostly. We gain Bryce but lose Moss. Braun, Wilson and Agbaji can make shots but we need them improved and healthy. Don’t think Tyon is much of a shooter but he is a good player.
if we can get Ajbaji to improve and really work on his three this coming off season put him with Bryce , would be nice - there is times he just disappears though next year especially he can’t disappear for sur, he will or should be one of the leaders his JR year. - -I have confidence I his 3 point shooting I think he will be fine. - He just going to have to work a little harder though to get that shot
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@BShark Kind of a David game. But that’s really the issue. If we are half in on Dave 3/2, half in on 4/1, we compromise our ability to reach our peak one way or the other.
We have to stomach the bad and commit to Braun. Four minutes is a joke. We have no idea what the next 4, 8, or 12 minutes would have looked like. If Self didn’t play Braun because he sucked in his four minutes, Self is foolish. Really, Self played Dave because he thought it was best TODAY. Completely short- sighted. And Dave was so-so today. One nice stretch.
This goes to Self’s historical over emphasis on the regular season. What do we need to be in March? Does he really care about March or the precious Big 12?
We should play 4/1 ALL THE TIME even if it means a loss. All the time. We won’t get to the FF piece-mealing this. And we won’t get to the FF as a 3/2 team.
We need to try and perfect what gives us a title chance, and play the players necessary to reach our peak. My opinion.
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Braun had 24 & 25 mins in the OU and ISU game
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Right, but Self, myopically, plays him 4 today because of this useless game. How he sees winning today. This demonstrates the absurdity of the PT today. We have just one NC in his tenure. One NC in 32 years.
All we have to achieve that is of value is the NC. We’ve achieved everything else.
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@HighEliteMajor so you think other coaches are playing subs who aren’t playing well, just to play well in March-April, giving up wins now?
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I think it’s more important to keep guys fresh. If anything the heavy minutes Self plays his best players can grind them out a bit by the end of the season.
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I think that it is a very regular occurrence that coaches play to perform in March. Duke and UK are two that plainly have done that. Nova the same. Gary Parish was on with Soren Petro last week discussing the same topic. Parish was saying he isn’t smart enough to criticize Self but pointed out the clear contrast in approach.
I’m focused on the 4/1. Dave and Doke together are a disaster. Today was the outlier. Look at the +/- posted by @BeddieKU23 this past week.
Would you agree that the more you do something and have experience, the better you can be? The answer is obvious. In fact, there are Self quotes in the past few years about how getting game experience is very important. Which is obvious.
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@HighEliteMajor I fully agree that we should go to 4 guards. I’m a bit shocked that Self has not made this decision after the recent success with guard heavy lineups that we have had.
I can’t say I agree on playing to March. To me, you play to win every game and it appears that Duke and Kentucky do the same. I watched the Duke game yesterday and they basically played 6 guys the entire game. Kentucky went a little deeper but was predominantly a 7 man rotation. This seems consistent to me with most major programs. A couple of guys who thought they would be major contributors simply don’t get a lot of minutes.
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Kentucky’s minute distribution is incredibly similar to ours but that doesn’t fit the narrative.
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HighEliteMajor said:
Right, but Self, myopically, plays him 4 today because of this useless game. How he sees winning today. This demonstrates the absurdity of the PT today. We have just one NC in his tenure. One NC in 32 years.
All we have to achieve that is of value is the NC. We’ve achieved everything else.
Right Bill has ONE National Championship in his tenure. Yet in Comparison , how many championships does Calipari have at Kentucky during his tenure there? - Seems like Bill’s One National Championship is against Coach Cal when he was at Memphis wasn’t it?
People seem to wanna think that they just hand these Championships out an a silver platter. - There are so many things that have to fall into place to win a Championship. - -including right combinations, who’s playing the best ball at the time. It’s a crap shoot. Can you imagine how the people at Kentucky feel? As many top tier 5 * recruits they have had there since Coach has been there, and only ONE National Championship. They should of have had at least 2-3 right?
