Stanford Cardinals - Sunday - 2pm - ABC
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@wrwlumpy thanks lumpy? Onward and upward!
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Ahhh I lobe the Bay Area. Wish I was going
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Jarrod still the Coach? - ya they are 11-1 - -but the schedule has been pretty weak. – Their Oklahoma win would I guess be their biggest & then maybe St Mary for them
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@jayballer73 Playing Devil’s advocate, what’s KU’s biggest win? Dayton lol. We still don’t know if KU is any good, poor on court leadership led to losing to subpar Duke and Nova teams. I’m hopeful, but doubtful the glaring faults in this squad can be addressed.
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 Playing Devil’s advocate, what’s KU’s biggest win? Dayton lol. We still don’t know if KU is any good, poor on court leadership led to losing to subpar Duke and Nova teams. I’m hopeful, but doubtful the glaring faults in this squad can be addressed.
I mean Dayton is a fringe top 10 team
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@FarmerJayhawk But that’s pretty much based on taking KU to overtime. Dayton hasn’t beaten anyone either. It’s early, but it doesn’t look like KU will prove much in the non-con other than they go as far as Dotson takes them.
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@dylans geez, Dylans, bah humbug?
grinch! I’m sending a lump of coal your way.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk But that’s pretty much based on taking KU to overtime. Dayton hasn’t beaten anyone either. It’s early, but it doesn’t look like KU will prove much in the non-con other than they go as far as Dotson takes them.
They’re KenPom #12 so that implies they’re a good team no matter their schedule. I think they’re a threat to go to the Final Four
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 Playing Devil’s advocate, what’s KU’s biggest win? Dayton lol. We still don’t know if KU is any good, poor on court leadership led to losing to subpar Duke and Nova teams. I’m hopeful, but doubtful the glaring faults in this squad can be addressed.
Understand , however the point being win or lose the competition is a lot harder on KU’s part. -Duke - -Villanova - - -Colorado - - Dayton - - Tennessee - -others. - - could of had Michigan St had they not screwed around. - -Where as Stanford schedule isn’t even Scheduled a big bunch of no bodies
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@dylans oh boy, guess you don’t want to play devils advocate again?
Merry Christmas!
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@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
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@dylans 22 not 12 and or not and
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
question is have we seen a team this year that DOESN’T have flaws? - -didn’t think so - we are right there with about 10 others teams THIS YEAR for all of it
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jayballer73 said:
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
question is have we seen a team this year that DOESN’T have flaws? - -didn’t think so - we are right there with about 10 others teams THIS YEAR for all of it
You are correct there is no sure thing this year. KU isn’t out of it, they just are no where near the driver seat. They are way better than last season, just not championship caliber without major luck.
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Most national championships in all sports almost every year.
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@dylans I’d be okay with EE or obviously FF with this team. Not expecting a title at all, just don’t have the offensive capability. It’s a shame with Dotson 99.9% to leave, I think JR or SR Dotson could easily (it’s relative) win a title.
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Ah what dreams to think of an elder Devon on this team. No reality, bummer
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Chiefs start at noon on CBS and their game should be over at 3:20.
KU start at 2:00 pm. Will those in Kansas City turn off the chiefs or DVR the The Jayhawks. Click (watch on youtube)
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@wrwlumpy chief fans won’t turn off their game.
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Weird playing on sunday
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Garrett will probably play Sunday if he continues to improve. Only about 75%.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Weird playing on sunday
Ya , I just saw that , hadn’t realized it was on Sunday. - -Just kind of rained on my parade dam lol. - -well now what to do Tomorrow ? - - Gonna be fun Sunday as my Jay Hawks play , & I have to watch my Packers play too - -we still have the chance for home filed advantage throughout the NFL playoffs - -currently the # 2 seed. I just hope we come out really focused against Stanford we NEED a solid outing against a quality opponent.
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@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called “bowl games.” I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 Well, there are the football playoffs tomorrow, and some other weird things called “bowl games.” I know for us football in late December is a once-every-2-decades-or-so thing, but it is actually somewhat important to much of the American sports world! Try it, you might like it! And they even have 3 pt plays!
Oh wise guy hay lol. - - - - - why can’t I like FOOTBALL & BASKETBALL lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
Also sounds like the plan is for him to start Sunday.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Garrett’s injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it’s no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed
This isn’t a high ankle sprain so it is a different type of injury. The problem with the type of ankle sprain he has now is that it will limit his lateral mobility which will affect his defense and his driving ability.
It’s not the same injury, but it will have a very similar effect as his high ankle sprain last year. This is also the type of ankle sprain that is much easier to reaggravate because it’s weak right now so this will likely be a season long issue for Garrett.
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Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
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@Crimsonorblue22 We have the technology - we will DVR one or the other.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip
As someone who lost out on athletic scholarships due to a recurring ankle sprain my senior year in high school, this isn’t an injury where giving where giving Garrett a couple of weeks off will help it. He’s going to be dealing with this for the rest of the year.
He will either lose agility because of how much his ankle will be taped up to reduce the risk of reinjury, or he’ll play without heavily taping his ankle and to try and keep his agility as high as possible and run the risk of tweaking it in practice or a game.
To this day, I still can’t run more than about half a mile before my ankle starts to swell up on me because of how many times I sprained it in high school playing football.
There’s a saying that a sprain is worse than a break because a break heals clean. Sprains never 100% heal because it damages the ligaments in whatever joint is sprained and makes that joint more susceptible to to reinjury.
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People heal differently. I experienced ankle injuries playing in HS and College as well and each was different in how much it impacted movement and health after. If they say this injury isnt significant compared to last seasons then we will see for ourselves how much impact it has on him not only this weekend but going forward. The difference between you, me and Garrett is having the resources of the KU Medical staff. Hopefully for the sake of fans and the team it’s an injury that doesnt have a significant impact on the season
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Repetitive strains 35 to 45 years ago still affect me. I sprained my ankles so many times in hs, college, and later that I lost track when it went over 20. Now, I roll my ankle and it hurts for about 30 seconds and then I can keep walking. The ligaments are so loose that they don’t get stretched any more.
It also has resulted in my inability to balance on one foot well–I have to lean against the shower wall to wash each foot. I cannot ice skate because of no strength in my ankles, and I can’t turn my feet in enough to ski in a straight line to go downhill. My splay feet enable me to zoom uphill in cross-country skiing though!
I know, boo hoo for me. It is really my own damned fault since I only saw a doctor for my sprains once. I wish I had had more sense about getting treatment and staying off them while they were healing. It is an absolute lie to say they cannot be injured further by playing on a sprain–might be more accurate to say it will be taped so completely as to prevent further rolling. (And watch out for injuring the healthy one while playing on a heavily taped one…)
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@mayjay I didn’t say taping it prevents further injury, I said it reduced the risk of reinjury because it immobilizes the ankle which also reduces agility because it’s taped so heavily.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Nothing was directed at you except for similarity of histories. I was referring in the last paragraph to my own history–taped up one, injured the other. The earlier “can’t injure it further” comment was about a myth often repeated by coaches to get their players willing to play sooner than they should. Seems like I remember Roy saying this about Kirk, but the years make it all so foggy…
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@mayjay I hear you. Sounds like we’re in the same boat. My right ankle … broken twice by rolling it to the outside long ago … is like jelly. I’m not even sure I can sprain it anymore rolling it to the outside. No real pain. Doesn’t impact running, lateral movement, etc. Just stretched out for good, I think. I came down messing around playing BB in the driveway about 10 years ago, in low cut socks, and scraped my ankle bone on the concrete. Laid it flat to the side. Didn’t even really swell up. Crazy. I’ve rolled it a few times since and just fell over. I think it might fall off at some point. But when I’ve done anything of consequence since, I’ve worn a lace up brace just for stability. Tape is great but those lace-up braces are easy and reliable for gray, quasi/pretend athletes. Getting old is great.
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Rolled mine a few times XC running over iffy terrain and it’s as good as new now. My sister did the same in basketball and volleyball. Lots of variables beyond the injury. Marcus also has access to a heck of a lot better treatment than any of us.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
No, usually use a principal components analysis + the eye test. KenPom is just a single metric and has its pluses (good snapshot of how a team has played so far) and minuses (not great at prediction). Have to take all that into account when looking at individual metrics.
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@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. It’s laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment it’s up there with the ap poll.
