Kansas vs Duke Game Thread:
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@DanR how can you tell? he barely played.
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We have zero shooters
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Moss
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Post-mortems: death from a 1000 cuts and inability to get offensive flow.
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BShark said:
Bill needs to start recruiting bigs that can shoot.
He did. One plays for the other team. And Wilson just isn’t ready.
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We only took 11 threes. Wow.
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Oh well. F Duke.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Bill needs to start recruiting bigs that can shoot.
He did. One plays for the other team. And Wilson just isn’t ready.
True, true.
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With 28 turnovers you don’t get to shoot many threes
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I’m pissed, Jones is the player better than Dotson. Dook has better players and a better coach.
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BShark said:
We only took 11 threes. Wow.
Bill “no analytics will change the way I play the game even if I make a FF with four guards” Self
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@kjayhawks whoa! U can have him!
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kjayhawks said:
I’m pissed, Jones is ten times the player of Dotson. Dook has better players and a better coach.
no
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I don’t think we can blame the Duke whistle on this one. Duke is ranked 3 in the country. Maybe the pollsters are right and we just lost to a really good team in our first outing of the season?
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Didn’t seem to have a 3pt shooter on the floor - or ability to get someone open on the wing to take the shot.
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@kjayhawks Have fun watching Duke this year. Come back when they’re a round of 32 out and Kansas is rolling.
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@wissox Yes, but we were our own worst enemy.
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wissox said:
I don’t think we can blame the Duke whistle on this one. Duke is ranked 3 in the country. Maybe the pollsters are right and we just lost to a really good team in our first outing of the season?
Honestly both teams looked bad to me. I want to see this KU team with a truly healthy Dotson (he was clearly still hobbled a bit) and Moss in the mix as well.
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wissox said:
I don’t think we can blame the Duke whistle on this one. Duke is ranked 3 in the country. Maybe the pollsters are right and we just lost to a really good team in our first outing of the season?
I refuse to believe this watching the game. We shot ourselves in the foot 20 times tonight.
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@Kcmatt7 Good news is we had a lot of correctable errors.
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@BShark I forgot Dotson is still hurt. That’s comforting.
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Modern basketball 1-0-1, you have to make and guard the 3.
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@BShark Yes…Moss should help. We need another outside threat.
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Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
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approxinfinity said:
@BShark I forgot Dotson is still hurt. That’s comforting.
He was getting by guys at times still but you could really tell he wasn’t right. Rest up and get a W on Friday.
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This team is going to steamroll people once they’re healthy and develop chemistry. Calm down people.
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@approxinfinity right lol because Jones made Dotson look foolish repeatedly I’m a Dook fan right. You from Missouri?
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DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
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@BShark me too!
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@BShark hasn’t worked in years, 16-18 was great with four guards.
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BShark said:
DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
FF with four guards and Bill writes it off immediately
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4 guards that can shoot with Doke only got us a final four, who knows.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark hasn’t worked in years, 16-18 was great with four guards.
The problem, at least as I see it is playing two true centers specifically. Guys with no range at all. We have the pieces to put legit size out there at the 4 spot without completely sacrificing spacing which makes it even more frustrating.
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
FF with four guards and Bill writes it off immediately
Does who those 4 guards are matter?
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@BShark I’m not so sure. The concern was how they would do on defense. Our defense didn’t suck. Duke shot only 36%. We just need to get it together on offense.
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Bwag said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
DanR said:
Dotson is clearly not 100%, but running the hi-lo offense through Big Dave ain’t going to do it either.
Guys were practically running into each other on offense.
I’m very over playing 2 5s at the same time.
FF with four guards and Bill writes it off immediately
Does who those 4 guards are matter?
Sure. And we have 4 guards on this team plenty capable. Especially now that Enaruna has looked way better than I thought he would at this stage.
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Give Tristan, Jalen and Braun all the minutes they can handle.
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@tundrahok I agree I’ve been saying offense is the issue. If we had a guy that could consistently hit that Marcus Morris elbow midrange jumper it would be a different story.
I think Jalen and Tristan are promising at the 4. Wonder what direction Bill will go in.
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I better get off here, I’m too mad and will probably say something very bad. We can fix the turnovers but having zero shooters like last season after Vick left is Killer. You can’t make them pay for double teaming the post without it. We had no business losing that one, if we just played smart for more than 6 minutes.
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approxinfinity said:
Give Tristan, Jalen and Braun all the minutes they can handle.
We see tonight what Self really thinks of Braun and Wilson.
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@BShark Our freshman show promise, but they still look like freshmen. Bill hangs his hat on defense, and the newbies will take a while to figure that out. I can’t see him making any changes just yet.
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Shooting wasn’t the problem 44%
4/11 from three. Just didn’t get enough shots due to the turnovers
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DanR said:
Shooting wasn’t the problem 44%
4/11 from three. Just didn’t get enough shots due to the turnovers
100000%
A normal turnover game and this is an easy win.
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BShark said:
@tundrahok I agree I’ve been saying offense is the issue. If we had a guy that could consistently hit that Marcus Morris elbow midrange jumper it would be a different story.
I think Jalen and Tristan are promising at the 4. Wonder what direction Bill will go in.
Bruh you posted the exact opposite like a week ago. We’re going to be a great team. Get Moss, get Dotson healthy, we’ll be fine.
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@FarmerJayhawk Defense can still be an issue depending on the opponent. Offense was CLEARLY an issue tonight. Can’t shoot, turnover machine.
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We will be fine guys. We out shot them in fg% and 3%. Turnovers can be fixed. We will get it figured out by the Michigan State game
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rockchalkwyo said:
We will be fine guys. We out shot them in fg% and 3%. Turnovers can be fixed. We will get it figured out by the Michigan State game
We have to beat UCLA or BYU to even play MSU most likely. I’M NOT CONVINCED.
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@BShark well we played the stretchiest perimeter team out there and made them look stupid all night. Offense will get a lot better. We’re going to win the league by 3 games.
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We have one play maker, Dotson, who didn’t make plays or lead. Agbaji is not very good off the ball yet. I think the Lightfoot red-shirt is a mistake. Self’s best teams always had a senior who calmed things down simply by being in the right place and doing things correctly.
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I’d rather play a stinker like this the first game of the season than the last one.
