Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU
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One thing that Self can sell a PG coming in is that he has a track record of playing two PGs at the same time. Harris and KK – you’re my Mason and DG. Or Chalmers and Robinson. Or TT and EJ.
But why would a recruit sign in Nov. with NCAA penalties looming? Missing the tourney one season? Ok. Two seasons? That’s a disaster.
I will be very surprised if anything happens with recruiting. But I hope to be surprised.
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I think you will be surprised, a 4 star C will likely sign on Nov 1st and KK Robinson has said all the right things in the media about KU post NOA. They have been up front with recruits.
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@BeddieKU23 Self being up front with recruits — I’m not so sure. In fact, it sounds quite misleading.
Here’s what he told Grant-Foster: “They were totally honest about it,” he said. “Coach Self said he was going to take care of it, and I’m not worried really at all. I just want to hoop.”
Here’s what he told Isaiah Todd:
“(Self) just preached that he would be fine and if anything were to happen, that I would be fine. I honestly think that it could turn around and be a positive. If I was to go there, it would show that I really trust him and that he would obviously trust me.”
So everything is fine and Self will take care of it. Maybe some of that B.S. will be convincing.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I think you will be surprised, a 4 star C will likely sign on Nov 1st and KK Robinson has said all the right things in the media about KU post NOA. They have been up front with recruits.
very true - - it’s good that they are being up front with the guys - - and kids appreciate that - - Not going to surprise me at all if we end up getting Gethro on the 1st - - all signs pointing that way - -and feeling really good about KK too - -As Aaron says people just need to B - -R - -E - -A - -T - -H right? - - I feel exactly like you - -were gonna be all right. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BeddieKU23 I’m onboard with this juco signing, and say go ahead and sign another one if needed. Like I said a few months back (as long as they are good fits), with all of the NCAA crap surrounding the program they can add skill, experience, depth and class balance - all of which are good things.
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@jayballer73 Ditto.
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In the vacuum of our current mess I think it is what it is. I think most of us will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be an important signing. JUCO’s at blue blood programs are uncommon and we really have no idea where his actual skill level lies. We can see he has the athleticism to stick and he has great size for the guard/wing position. I’m hopeful he has a big year at Indian Hills and justifies the signing.
In the bigger picture nationally where KU is in the tier with UK/DUKE/UNC etc they are a sinking ship in 2020 recruiting cycle as those schools continue to stockpile talent and separate themselves as the “have’s”. If Agbaji and De Sousa have big years and leave after the season there will be actual concern what lies next. Is the fanbase really ready for sanctions or a down season? I don’t believe so in this day and age
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@BeddieKU23 Here’s the thing. We better be ready. So let’s be ready. I’m all in for a down season in 2020-21 or something not too pretty. I’ve prepared myself since this time last year when the specter of serious sanctions were a high probability (and that high risk would be obvious to those willing to look at our predicament objectively at that time).
But the important thing, above all, is NOT having more than one season being banned from the tourney. Lose two scholarships, recruiting time limits, Self suspended 15 games, forfeit games DeSousa played in including the FF, one season tourney ban. Fine. But just not two seasons banned from the tourney.
If there is any negotiation that is occurring or being discussed, that should be the focus point. We can deal with one season as a martyr. Two seasons, it’s something much different, I think. If it’s two seasons, I think it a really high probability Self is gone. We could be looking at a complete change in the nature of our program – the dreaded above-averageness.
The real question becomes if the NCAA is targeting Self. What might be the bitter pill is if that’s the case, Self leaving could lessen sanctions and thus serves the NCAA’s goal – to target the coaches that run the programs that commit violations. Negotiations are about leverage. Self ran this program and this all occurred on his watch. The buck stops solely with him.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Here’s the thing. We better be ready. So let’s be ready. I’m all in for a down season in 2020-21 or something not too pretty. I’ve prepared myself since this time last year when the specter of serious sanctions were a high probability (and that high risk would be obvious to those willing to look at our predicament objectively at that time).
But the important thing, above all, is NOT having more than one season being banned from the tourney. Lose two scholarships, recruiting time limits, Self suspended 15 games, forfeit games DeSousa played in including the FF, one season tourney ban. Fine. But just not two seasons banned from the tourney.
If there is any negotiation that is occurring or being discussed, that should be the focus point. We can deal with one season as a martyr. Two seasons, it’s something much different, I think. If it’s two seasons, I think it a really high probability Self is gone. We could be looking at a complete change in the nature of our program – the dreaded above-averageness.
The real question becomes if the NCAA is targeting Self. What might be the bitter pill is if that’s the case, Self leaving could lessen sanctions and thus serves the NCAA’s goal – to target the coaches that run the programs that commit violations. Negotiations are about leverage. Self ran this program and this all occurred on his watch. The buck stops solely with him.
Not that I totally agree - - but yet I agree - -I know crazy right? - -I’m just ready for whatever - - -expecting the worst - -BUT hoping for the best. - -To answer the question you posed - -I guess you did anyways - - is the NCAA targeting Coach Self? - -I think yes they ARE targeting him. - -Does he deserve that? - -possibly/probably IF he is totally 100 % guilty , they may be crazy guidelines or so we think but IF he commited the guidelines/by-laws they have set - -then as the saying goes - - you do the crime - - -you do the time.
I love Self awesome Coach - if things are like they say then like you say Self is the one in charge of this program - - he has to now what’s going on at ALL times - what his assistants are doing - - their actions, - -I guess this is where possible lack of control falls right? -We will see , is it going tom take Coach Self stepping down to lessen the sanctions possibly? - -who knows - -would hate to lose him, maybe he just got caught up in the game - trying to quote - - un-quote - - keep up with the Jones’s - - I know two wrongs don’t make a right - and so yes you are right as much as we don’t or some don’t want to hear - - -the BUCK does stop with Coach Self - -he is the one in Charge.
Hell IDK how this thing will turn out in the end – like I said hoping for the vest Scenario - -but expecting the worst. - -I guess the best is or would be like you say if all is proved - - possibly the ONE yr ban from post season and reduction of Scholi’s - -for a year – two years - -I know probably worse , worse case Stripping of the Banners - - Coach forced out and post season ban and reduction of Scholi’s - just a bad situation - -time to stand up and be accountable if it’s true. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Grant-Foster lit it up with Self in attendance. Was actually better than that super hyped kid that’s committed to Louisville. Think he had like 25
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FarmerJayhawk said:
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1190811651681013761?s=21
Outdueld Jay Scrubb too. Good shit.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/1190811651681013761?s=21
Outdueld Jay Scrubb too. Good shit.
Turns out he can shoot too. Maybe, just maybe, Self knows what he’s doing. https://twitter.com/MatthewBain_/status/1190803291803926539?s=20
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Just so hard to believe that Bill is good at player evaluation. /s
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I wouldn’t crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn’t be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.
He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against … Pratt CC. He’s had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that’s nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn’t mean much.
But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.
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I’m still just thinking he will be a solid bench piece.
Garrett, Thompson, Agbaji, Enaruna, Dave would be a pretty okay starting line-up.
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Darren Hancock was a nice Juco player as well. Hopefully this kid is in that Little, Hancock vein and not the Appleton, every other direct from juco player. Looks like Foster has a nice frame if nothing else.
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HighEliteMajor said:
I wouldn’t crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn’t be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.
He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against … Pratt CC. He’s had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that’s nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn’t mean much.
But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.
At this level I’m looking for tools and the ability to dominate lesser competition. He definitely has the tools. He’s starting to show he can dominate that level. Then you see what you have when he gets to campus.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
HighEliteMajor said:
I wouldn’t crown the guy or Bill Self on this just yet. We wouldn’t be in this neighborhood but for your predicament.
He went 9-19 overall and 1-5 from 3 against in his previous game against … Pratt CC. He’s had 7 turnovers in about 50 minutes of play this season. Of course, that’s nitpicking and means nothing in reality. Doke looked bad vs. Ft. Hays and that doesn’t mean much.
But the praise is just a case of premature coronation is all.
At this level I’m looking for tools and the ability to dominate lesser competition. He definitely has the tools. He’s starting to show he can dominate that level. Then you see what you have when he gets to campus.
Sure, makes sense, which is why in my opinion any praise of Self (or the player) now is wildly premature.
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Cats in the cradle and all. I’m willing to bet those that are overly critical will regret not enjoying Self’s tenure more in hindsight.
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BShark said:
I’m still just thinking he will be a solid bench piece.
Garrett, Thompson, Agbaji, Enaruna, Dave would be a pretty okay starting line-up.
who is your point? - -isn’t Bryce a 2 ?
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@jayballer73 Marcus
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Garrett at point
Tyshawn with a poor shot and less athleticism, but much better decision making abilities. You’d need shooters around him. Does Brannen still have a year of eligibility left? Lol
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I have a hard time seeing Bill not playing SR Garrett at the pt. Harris should be a really nice back-up PG. If Harris starts over Garrett that means he is a total badass so I’m good with it either way.
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@dylans I don’t think it would take too much for Garrett to have a better shot than Tyshawn if his shot has improved. I don’t think Tyshawn made a 3 in the whole tourney when we lost to Kentucky in the final.
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@approxinfinity Ironically he made 1 against Kentucky. 0-20 in the previous 5 games and he was still a 38% trey shooter that year on an okay volume.
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Quote from Bossi
Grant-Foster is still raw, he still needs to get stronger and tighten up his ball handling a bit but in speaking to some of the scouts in attendance, he definitely put himself on the NBA radar and appears to be a legitimate NBA prospect.
As for his more immediate future, Kansas has a big-time wing on the way and a guy who should make an immediate impact on both ends of the floor.
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Beat me to it. Saw this and seemed appropriate. Seems like he’s getting a lot of attention now
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Having seen him play in HS, he always had a good looking shot and was a very good athlete, but needed to round out his game. That was what probably kept a lot of P5 schools off him out of HS. He was a wing shooter that didn’t have much size (only about 6-3 or 6-4 at the time) and wasn’t in a position to be a secondary ball handler, which is a must if you aren’t at least 6-5 or 6-6.
Fast forward to now and he’s about 3 inches taller and he has improved his ball handling. Like I said in an earlier post, he has basically done everything that he was told he needed to do in order to make himself a P5 player, while also growing a couple of inches. That, I think, speaks to his work ethic and character. He got into the gym and did the work he needed to do in order to be ready to move to the P5 level after a couple of years at JuCo. He took the constructive criticism and the coaching and made the improvements that scouts were looking for. That says more to me than the scouts saying he’s hitting 28 footers.
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35 points in a comeback win last night. Kid has been locked in.
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Found out IHCC has played 4 games so far.
Tyon’s cumulative stats: 32/65 shooting, 10/25 from three, 19/30 ft.
Some per game numbers: 23 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.75 spg, .75 bpg.
Not sure how they run offense but he doesn’t have many assists and is turning it over three times a game. Definitely looks like a wing player to me.
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It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
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FarmerJayhawk said:
It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
Was coming here to post this. It’s always sunshine during the official statement.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
Was coming here to post this. It’s always sunshine during the official statement.
What about Bryce and Gethro ? - did anyone hear if they signed today ?
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
Was coming here to post this. It’s always sunshine during the official statement.
What about Bryce and Gethro ? - did anyone hear if they signed today ?
Haven’t seen them yet but I don’t have any worry they’ll be in very soon.
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@FarmerJayhawk Rod and Bryce have both stated Bryce is signing early. You would think today but who knows, Bryce is exhausted from the sound of it.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
But wait there’s more!
“To me, if he was here now, he’d be playing all the minutes now. He’s really a good player. And to think that he just grew up down the street and is just now blowing up like this over the last 12 months is pretty amazing. … What people are saying about him that follow that game are raving about him and deservedly so. He’s a 6-foot-7, long, do-everything guard.”
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Franny likes him too
Fran Fraschilla @franfraschilla Saw @Ty_Youngbull this summer. He is a big-time recruit for @KUHoops . Can play all the perimeter positions easily. He’s the offensive equivalent of what Marcus Garrett brings to Jayhawks defense.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
It’s hyperbole season! https://kuathletics.com/local-product-tyon-grant-foster-signs-to-play-at-kansas/
But wait there’s more!
“To me, if he was here now, he’d be playing all the minutes now. He’s really a good player. And to think that he just grew up down the street and is just now blowing up like this over the last 12 months is pretty amazing. … What people are saying about him that follow that game are raving about him and deservedly so. He’s a 6-foot-7, long, do-everything guard.”
what amazes me I question even my intelligence/ knowledge at times - -think I’m just blind to somethings man - - really looking forward to see Tyon next year. - -Like I was saying I don’t claim to know everything by far - - - THEN I go to the Phog & read some of the comments, I swear to GOD guys - - that site has turned into a real cluster - - - - , I read like what BShark posted here - -and I think cool sounds pretty sweet. - -Then you see some remarks/comments from poster like this one : - -Oh Tyon will get to play a few minutes here - - a few minutes there - -but DON’T EXPECT MUCH. - -umm hello - -once again I think I’ll put my trust in Coach a little more then this poster.
Just like I stated about Latrell on the other end of the spectrum - - -Tyon is rated the # 2 rated Juco in America - - kid has got talent - -I for one am looking forward to watching him - to the contrary of some people YES there are some Juco players that can play - -and play quite well - -Juco players get labeled as not good enough to play at a P-5 School - - not good enough and such – there are many , many reason why a kid might have to go to a Juco - - doesn’t mean he can’t play
The Phog has really turned into a Crapper - -a real dumpster fire - - -I think some people gonna be surprised I think he will contribute just fine - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAY
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NBA scouts are giving Tyon a real look. Says a lot.
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BShark said:
Franny likes him too
Fran Fraschilla @franfraschilla Saw @Ty_Youngbull this summer. He is a big-time recruit for @KUHoops . Can play all the perimeter positions easily. He’s the offensive equivalent of what Marcus Garrett brings to Jayhawks defense.
Whoa. High praise! Fran loves him some Garrett.
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If you check out the Jayhawk Slant podcast from this week, they had Bossi on to talk about the class. Good segment. But my big takeaway is the thinks Tyon is a future NBA guy
ETA: fast forward through Shay talking. He’s a really weird dude.
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Big 12 fans may remember Jo Lual Acuil. He played two years at Neosho County Juco. I was upset that KU did not give him much of a look, if any. He went on to start for Baylor and had a pretty damn good two years. I am sure he would have been a great help for us, even if it was in a reserve role. Jo was not as highly rated as Tyon.
Moral of the story: Lets give this kid a chance and see how it works out. Hope it is for the best. You just never know.
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I don’t think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.
Bryce is 1A and this kid is 1B for me in terms of excitement. Gethro and Jossell are projects of varying degrees whereas Tyon and Bryce should contribute next year.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t think anyone hates this signing. He looks like a stud on film.
Bryce is 1A and this kid is 1B for me in terms of excitement. Gethro and Jossell are projects of varying degrees whereas Tyon and Bryce should contribute next year.
Athleticism and buckets.
If Ochai stays… I just don’t know how we don’t play 4 guards.
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I was all set to post an update but it appears they withheld Tyon from their double header this weekend due to his injury in the last game.
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Very good read from CJ Moore here.
