State lawmaker says Kansas unlikely to pass law allowing college athletes to profit through endorsements
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Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.
THAT’S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long – It’s time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.
Why shouldn’t these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it’s very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach’s being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it’s 2019 NOT 1929.
I can totally see why Kansas wouldn’t adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That’s not happening - - not in this State - -let’s just keep deferring , ya that’s the answer - -just Unreal.
I agree with Les , with California passing this it’s going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it’s limit - it’s time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough
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Tuition & fees at KU for out-of-state students is $28,239.
Maybe they should get more, but student-athletes on full scholarship aren’t getting nothing.
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No idea why Jim got interviewed for the story since he doesn’t chair any committees (he’s a Democrat) or have a spot in leadership ¯_(ツ)_/¯. But I could see the state moving on something like it. They just did a big study on sports gambling. I suppose I could ask around and get a better idea of things.
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jayballer73 said:
Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.
THAT’S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long – It’s time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.
Why shouldn’t these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it’s very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach’s being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it’s 2019 NOT 1929.
I can totally see why Kansas wouldn’t adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That’s not happening - - not in this State - -let’s just keep deferring , ya that’s the answer - -just Unreal.
I agree with Les , with California passing this it’s going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it’s limit - it’s time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough
So, just because the NCAA makes money off the kids and you think it is unfair, we should change the rules? I know, I know, other’s have money, make money, earn money, create, and it’s unfair if others can’t take it. I get it. Workers of the world unite.
So you refer to those that oppose the bill as “morons” and “idiots.” Cool.
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HighEliteMajor said:
jayballer73 said:
Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.
THAT’S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long – It’s time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.
Why shouldn’t these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it’s very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach’s being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it’s 2019 NOT 1929.
I can totally see why Kansas wouldn’t adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That’s not happening - - not in this State - -let’s just keep deferring , ya that’s the answer - -just Unreal.
I agree with Les , with California passing this it’s going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it’s limit - it’s time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough
So, just because the NCAA makes money off the kids and you think it is unfair, we should change the rules? I know, I know, other’s have money, make money, earn money, create, and it’s unfair if others can’t take it. I get it. Workers of the world unite.
So you refer to those that oppose the bill as “morons” and “idiots.” Cool.
Yep you got it - -glad you caught on - -dam straight The NCAA making money off these kids - -these kids should make money of the NCAA - - quick catch - -good looking out I’m glad you get it
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Doubtful Kansas does anything of substance in the legislature until most of the other states act. This could leave KU playing catch-up if Kansas waits too long.
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@justanotherfan agreed. Would rather be out front with California. Could help recruiting.
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justanotherfan said:
Doubtful Kansas does anything of substance in the legislature until most of the other states act. This could leave KU playing catch-up if Kansas waits too long.
To be fair, there’s not a lot of acting the legislature can do right now since they’re out of session, and won’t be until January. I suppose someone could pre-file a bill? I’ve got a call with a Senator later this week. I’ll definitely ask about it!
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HighEliteMajor said:
jayballer73 said:
Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.
THAT’S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long – It’s time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.
Why shouldn’t these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it’s very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach’s being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it’s 2019 NOT 1929.
I can totally see why Kansas wouldn’t adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That’s not happening - - not in this State - -let’s just keep deferring , ya that’s the answer - -just Unreal.
I agree with Les , with California passing this it’s going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it’s limit - it’s time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough
So, just because the NCAA makes money off the kids and you think it is unfair, we should change the rules? I know, I know, other’s have money, make money, earn money, create, and it’s unfair if others can’t take it. I get it. Workers of the world unite.
So you refer to those that oppose the bill as “morons” and “idiots.” Cool.
I think it’s totally fair to ask for a raise if you feel like your employer is getting more than your marginal revenue product of labor, as is the case in a competitive market. More Hayek, less Marx.
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@FarmerJayhawk Who’s asking for the raise? That question really defines this discussion. I see no protests, I see no mass of athletes asking for a raise, I see nothing like that. What I hear and see is a politically driven agenda that is based on the false narrative of the inner city black athlete being exploited. That’s what’s driving this entire thing.
And don’t mistake the market. The “market” is not internal, or inside the NCAA. It’s outside the NCAA. It’s an entirely free market outside the NCAA. Anyone can compete for the players’ services. You, me, anyone. When you intrude inside the NCAA, telling a business association what they can and can’t do, it’s more Marx.
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I doubt we see any activity until 2021 at the earliest. I don’t think there is any momentum to take legislative action because the legislature has generally been more deferential to the NCAA.
I will grant that the big difference here is that KU could be negatively impacted by inaction. That may prompt something, but is by no means a guarantee.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Who’s asking for the raise? That question really defines this discussion. I see no protests, I see no mass of athletes asking for a raise, I see nothing like that. What I hear and see is a politically driven agenda that is based on the false narrative of the inner city black athlete being exploited. That’s what’s driving this entire thing.
And don’t mistake the market. The “market” is not internal, or inside the NCAA. It’s outside the NCAA. It’s an entirely free market outside the NCAA. Anyone can compete for the players’ services. You, me, anyone. When you intrude inside the NCAA, telling a business association what they can and can’t do, it’s more Marx.
HEM, with all due respect, I don’t see an “entirely free market” with regard to amateur athletes. To the contrary, the NCAA appears to be a monopoly to me.
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bskeet said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Who’s asking for the raise? That question really defines this discussion. I see no protests, I see no mass of athletes asking for a raise, I see nothing like that. What I hear and see is a politically driven agenda that is based on the false narrative of the inner city black athlete being exploited. That’s what’s driving this entire thing.
And don’t mistake the market. The “market” is not internal, or inside the NCAA. It’s outside the NCAA. It’s an entirely free market outside the NCAA. Anyone can compete for the players’ services. You, me, anyone. When you intrude inside the NCAA, telling a business association what they can and can’t do, it’s more Marx.
HEM, with all due respect, I don’t see an “entirely free market” with regard to amateur athletes. To the contrary, the NCAA appears to be a monopoly to me.
It’s not a monopoly… They are just a harmless ole non-profit organization that controls the athletics department of every single major college in the country and have the power to literally make up their own rules with no repercussions or competition whatsoever.
But they’re not a monopoly…
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The full text of the California bill can be found at https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB206
Section “c” also allows athletes to hire professional representation. Every agreement has to be disclosed to the school.
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I’ve been pondering this and think it gives a major benefit to schools in big markets who can well afford to pay athletes for advertising their products, for signings, for camps , for appearing in TV ads or endorsements. The list is long.
Is there any reason “Big Money” wouldn’t change the dynamics of recruiting? Would schools in smaller towns be outbid by schools in bigger towns simply due more $$$ resources? Will this turn into a bidding war for 4* and 5* talent? If the better players get more money in LA, Houston, New York, etc, I’d think they may want to go there (coaching ability be dam#ed).
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Who’s asking for the raise? That question really defines this discussion. I see no protests, I see no mass of athletes asking for a raise, I see nothing like that. What I hear and see is a politically driven agenda that is based on the false narrative of the inner city black athlete being exploited. That’s what’s driving this entire thing.
And don’t mistake the market. The “market” is not internal, or inside the NCAA. It’s outside the NCAA. It’s an entirely free market outside the NCAA. Anyone can compete for the players’ services. You, me, anyone. When you intrude inside the NCAA, telling a business association what they can and can’t do, it’s more Marx.
71% of student athletes believe they should be paid: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/student-athletes-should-get-paid-college-students-say.html. They can’t even ask because it could jeopardize their eligibility.
This is why I like the federal legislation. It doesn’t force the NCAA to do anything. Either let players get paid or start paying taxes. Your call. And yes, anyone and their employer is a market (albeit a small one). Firms demand labor and workers demand wages, and they negotiate those terms. All we’re doing is empowering individuals to do with their free time what they please without interference by their quasi-employer. Hardly something Marx would endorse.
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Gorilla72 said:
I’ve been pondering this and think it gives a major benefit to schools in big markets who can well afford to pay athletes for advertising their products, for signings, for camps , for appearing in TV ads or endorsements. The list is long.
Is there any reason “Big Money” wouldn’t change the dynamics of recruiting? Would schools in smaller towns be outbid by schools in bigger towns simply due more $$$ resources? Will this turn into a bidding war for 4* and 5* talent? If the better players get more money in LA, Houston, New York, etc, I’d think they may want to go there (coaching ability be dam#ed).
Or vice versa. There is overkill in Big Markets and you’re competing for advertising dollars with pro athletes.
It could make you flock to Aimes, Iowa because you’d be a big fish in a small pond.
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@FarmerJayhawk Should be paid based on a poll is in a different universe vs. exerting one’s leverage, walking out. Funny, really. A poll to ask if someone should be paid. “Question - do you want free money? Yes or no?” I say yes. Heck, how do 29% say no? Sounds like some campaigns right now – free money. But the deal the athletes get is too good. The players can demand whatever they want. But a “work stoppage” makes no sense economically for the masses of athletes. So it hasn’t. All to my points.
But great point on federal legislation. If Congress sees this as important, federally, I support that approach. I may disagree with the legislation, but as far as process, I think you’ve ID’d the much better approach than piece-meal state-by-state. Normally, I like state’s deciding their own issues but this is a national deal.
@bskeet @Kcmatt7 Ok, well it’s clearly not a monopoly. You do see the NBA, MLB, and NFL. You’ve seen the d-league, the g-league, AAF, XFL, USFL, minor league baseball, independent league ball. There are thousands of stadiums and arenas in the country. The NCAA does NOTHING to stamp out competition. They don’t acquire businesses. I’m sorry, again, it might sound good when it’s said, but when you examine it, not so much.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Should be paid based on a poll is in a different universe vs. exerting one’s leverage, walking out. Funny, really. A poll to ask if someone should be paid. “Question - do you want free money? Yes or no?” I say yes. Heck, how do 29% say no? Sounds like some campaigns right now – free money. But the deal the athletes get is too good. The players can demand whatever they want. But a “work stoppage” makes no sense economically for the masses of athletes. So it hasn’t. All to my points.
But great point on federal legislation. If Congress sees this as important, federally, I support that approach. I may disagree with the legislation, but as far as process, I think you’ve ID’d the much better approach than piece-meal state-by-state. Normally, I like state’s deciding their own issues but this is a national deal.
@bskeet @Kcmatt7 Ok, well it’s clearly not a monopoly. You do see the NBA, MLB, and NFL. You’ve seen the d-league, the g-league, AAF, XFL, USFL, minor league baseball, independent league ball. There are thousands of stadiums and arenas in the country. The NCAA does NOTHING to stamp out competition. They don’t acquire businesses. I’m sorry, again, it might sound good when it’s said, but when you examine it, not so much.
I actually think you’re looking at this from the wrong perspective. That isn’t how the NCAA has a monopoly. Not from a players standpoint. It’s from a school standpoint.
Let’s say the Top 50 most profitable schools in the country wanted to get together and start a league.
If KU were invited to this and wanted to leave (correct me if I’m wrong) they’d have to get approval from the Kansas Board of Regents. However, it would be almost impossible to get approval because it would mean that KSU, WSU, ESU, and Washburn would all be left out to dry because the NCAA’s income would drastically decrease with the formation of this new league. Therefore, at this point, there really is no way for KU to leave the NCAA even if they wanted to. Same for basically every other State and Public Institution.
This inability to leave is how they have a monopoly. The NCAA can create their own rules and they face no competition because the schools have nowhere to go if they don’t like a rule. KU can’t become an NFL or MLB or XFL or NBA franchise. KU couldn’t even get approval to join the NAIA from the Board of Regents, the only other governing body for college athletics at the moment. There is nowhere for KU to go. There is no competition for the NCAA.
That is how the NCAA has a monopoly.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Should be paid based on a poll is in a different universe vs. exerting one’s leverage, walking out. Funny, really. A poll to ask if someone should be paid. “Question - do you want free money? Yes or no?” I say yes. Heck, how do 29% say no? Sounds like some campaigns right now – free money. But the deal the athletes get is too good. The players can demand whatever they want. But a “work stoppage” makes no sense economically for the masses of athletes. So it hasn’t. All to my points.
But great point on federal legislation. If Congress sees this as important, federally, I support that approach. I may disagree with the legislation, but as far as process, I think you’ve ID’d the much better approach than piece-meal state-by-state. Normally, I like state’s deciding their own issues but this is a national deal.
@bskeet @Kcmatt7 Ok, well it’s clearly not a monopoly. You do see the NBA, MLB, and NFL. You’ve seen the d-league, the g-league, AAF, XFL, USFL, minor league baseball, independent league ball. There are thousands of stadiums and arenas in the country. The NCAA does NOTHING to stamp out competition. They don’t acquire businesses. I’m sorry, again, it might sound good when it’s said, but when you examine it, not so much.
Except there’s no mechanism available for athletes to walk out since they aren’t covered under the NLRA. The NCAA could suspend their eligibility for trying to receive “improper benefits.” It’s a cost:benefit calculation on their part. Does every employee quit or walk out if they ask for a raise and their employer says no? Of course not. Saying it’s not a valid position to have if they aren’t willing to strike for it is a ridiculous assertion. They’re not even asking for money from the institutions. Just the ability to make extra cash in their free time. THE HORROR!
If the market is such that almost nobody will get much of anything from their likeness, why do a big majority of athletes say they should be able to profit? Almost like it’s a principled position. They want their friends to be able to make money. The American ideal!
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Kcmatt7 said:
bskeet said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Who’s asking for the raise? That question really defines this discussion. I see no protests, I see no mass of athletes asking for a raise, I see nothing like that. What I hear and see is a politically driven agenda that is based on the false narrative of the inner city black athlete being exploited. That’s what’s driving this entire thing.
And don’t mistake the market. The “market” is not internal, or inside the NCAA. It’s outside the NCAA. It’s an entirely free market outside the NCAA. Anyone can compete for the players’ services. You, me, anyone. When you intrude inside the NCAA, telling a business association what they can and can’t do, it’s more Marx.
HEM, with all due respect, I don’t see an “entirely free market” with regard to amateur athletes. To the contrary, the NCAA appears to be a monopoly to me.
It’s not a monopoly… They are just a harmless ole non-profit organization that controls the athletics department of every single major college in the country and have the power to literally make up their own rules with no repercussions or competition whatsoever.
But they’re not a monopoly…
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…
