Wilson to Kansas
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I would definitely agree that Jayhawk Nation needs to get off Snack’s back. He’s done a great job.
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truehawk93 said:
Excellent…welcome Mr Wilson, I’ve been wanting to say that for a while now. Great job Self and Co. Let’s get to work and make the most of the deep talent we have now. Let’s make this year count. Also, let’s not get caught up in the rhetoric of preseason. Frankly, I don’t care where we are ranked, let’s take one game at a time all the way through the April nets. RCJHGOKU
People get WAY to hung up on these dam rankings - -things have a tendenacy to play their selves out. - Ya they look pretty - -nice to thump your chest about. - nice to be able to throw some shade talk smack for some BUT at the end of the day – still comes down to ONE thing -that’s being able to win the title - -the NATIONAL title. I mean seriously if you ask players/teams what’s more important to you - being ranked in the top 25 for multiple years (Saying hey we were ranked # 1-2-3 - for so many years straight - -OR being able to wear that National Championship ring - I’ll let you decide that.
People just get butt hurt if they feel like they need to be ranked higher, dam take your talent your team has and run with it- -show who you are on the floor. - - everything else will work it’self out - -do your talking on the floor - -Then at the end of the yr and were hoisting the National Championship trophy - then talk your BS - simply ask - and how many weeks in a row have you been ranked in the top 25 again? - -# 1 again - as you raise that trophy - -nuff said
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truehawk93 said:
approxinfinity said:
First guess without looking at last year’s minutes:
Dot 31 (we have depth, can preserve him)
Garrett 26 (Pet. D leader. Good dude. We will beat teams bad enough to let this happen.
Ochai 25
Silvio (Doke will need rest and Wilson isn’t ready) 25
Doke 26 (unless hurt)
Moss 22
Dave 17 (unless Doke hurt)
Wilson 7
McBride 7
Mitch 7
Enanura 3
Wave The Wheat 1
Also, I agree more with your numbers in big games. Except Wilson.
Wilson should be a bit of a match up challenge in the 3–4. He has the “scoring” prowess that Self loves in that 4 role that Self willed Mario Little and Vick into over the years. We need someone that can get in the middle of those ZONES and bust them open. I think Wilson will be about right. But then, he has the range to step out around the arc. It would make sense to play small ball with him at the 4. I would then go big by putting him at the 3. We all know Self has been forced into small ball, and will go to that when needed. Actually I’d say Self has had some significant results with small ball.
Small:
Dotson/McBride - 6’ and change
Moss - 6-4
Garrett/Braun 6-5,8
Wilson 6-8
SDS/Enarauna 6-9 Feels good writing SDS in the line up.
Big:
Garrett/Dotson
Moss/Garrett
Wilson/Braun (?) Really curious to see how Braun factors.
SDS
Doke/Big Mac
Does anyone think ‘maybe’ Enarauna takes a RS? Even remotely? I hope Self isn’t RS shy, but he seems the odd possibility, at least from my standpoint.
Nope don’t see him redshirting
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@BShark Not to get too hung up on this, but the total minutes per game for last season’s KU team was 247.8. Shit happens during the course of the season.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 No worries. I was wondering where the miscommunication was though, because it definitely felt like we weren’t talking about the same thing.
Agree that Juwan is unproven and we will see if he can coach much. Jury is still out on Penny as well.
I can’t wait to see what Penny does with his talent. I am amazed at who he has lured. I predict he has more than he can handle. He won’t be able to translate. He will underachieve and Memphis will expect huge results. He will have 1-3 seasons, and he will likely be on the hot seat.
This my friends is interesting. Look at your older player/coaches and the success they’ve had as coaches. Then, look at your younger, NBA coaches lately that are coaching in college. They don’t transition well. Many of the current player/coaches that have a fair record struggle. I just don’t see Howard and Hardaway making much of a showing. Players don’t necessarily make good coaches, even if they played in the NBA.
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BShark said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Just kind of knowing coach Self there …
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
You know the rest…
Is Self “Beauty” and Mitch is “Beast”?
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When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
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@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
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approxinfinity said:
When was the last time Self had a redshirt senior that wasnt redshirted by another program? Maybe this becomes relevant again with 50-150 rated guys? But there isn’t much of a precedent I don’t think.
Brady, Releford, Jamari, Lucas.
Jamari was forced into it due to academics.
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Starting to think about lineups…
I could be wrong here, but from what I’ve seen, this may end up being the best “handles” team we’ve had since our 2008 team! Granted… our big handle players might be green freshmen, but none the less, I’m seeing the potential for some dynamic offense that we’ve not really had since 2008.
I’m not sure how much of this applies to the upcoming year, but after that… and then it matters who sticks around after next year. I wish Devon would hang out one more year after this season but I have my doubts.
In thinking about “big lineups” and “small lineups” it is paramount to think about who has the handles, especially with the small lineup. The advantage should be to get out and run! When was the last time we had a real running team? Guys like Svi were great shooters, but he only had average handles. I’m looking at Devon and some of our new guys and then Isaiah… wow! Handles! And the foot speed to go with it!
SDS can handle rebounding for a small lineup and let’s not discount his speed!
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Self doesn’t like to redshirt freshmen.
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approxinfinity said:
Is Self “Beauty” and Mitch is “Beast”?
That’s “PrisonBeast”, sir!
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dylans said:
Self doesn’t like to redshirt freshmen.
The way I understand it is Bill leaves it completely up to the kid. And honestly after the Ochai situation last year he might become even more averse to RS. Never know when you might need a kid!
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@Kcmatt7 Howard is our best recruiter.
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BShark said:
@truehawk93 Enaruna just not a 5 year guy, so there isn’t a point in RSing him. Always the chance that he transfers too, and not RSing makes that an easier option. There is a reason why we don’t see too many guys RS under Self, especially recently. I think Braun is the perfect candidate. A KS kid that bleeds crimson and blue and was also recruited over twice in the same class after signing.
I don’t think Enaruna is all that ready either. I have him around 6 minutes a game this year. I don’t think he is two and done either. He’s just not a 5 year guy. 5 year guys are rare, and typically lower level guys without much in the way of pro basketball aspirations. Redshirting simply doesn’t make sense unless you are staying all five years. There is no point in redshirting one year and playing two. Just never redshirt and keep all three years available, even if playing just a few minutes a game it’s better to have to option and get him experience when you can.
We aren’t losing Dave. He will likely be the starting 5 as a JR.
Enaruna is going to cut into Mitch’s PT bigtime. In fact, I’ll say it, redshirt Mitch.
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@BShark LOVE IT
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BShark said:
@approxinfinity Mitch and Garrett lol. Two beasts this year. Probably a bit unfair to Garrett, who I think is a better player than Mitch.
I totally agree. Garrett is your back court glue and will definitely school the others, with Dotson.
Mitch will be invaluable in the front court with the bigs.
Check out this pic of Garrett. He’s been spending time with Hudy. That boy be Reeeeeped. Check out his arms. Dang the last few years he looked like a little boy. Dude has become a damn man in a Summer. It’s amazing what Hudy-izing can do to a playa.
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Forgot to mention this earlier. A few days ago JW posted a picture on his Snapchat and on it it said “almost pro”. I hope he doesn’t think he’s a OAD or that Bill promised him minutes that would make us uncomfortable. I could be over thinking like usual. What do you guys think?
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rockchalkwyo said:
Forgot to mention this earlier. A few days ago JW posted a picture on his Snapchat and on it it said “almost pro”. I hope he doesn’t think he’s a OAD or that Bill promised him minutes that would make us uncomfortable. I could be over thinking like usual. What do you guys think?
Overthinking
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From what I understand his circle realizes that he needs some time in the oven. Very much doubt Bill made a starting or minutes promise.
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Maybe he’s just improving!
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Maybe not the best thing to say considering the current climate lol, but you know he was paid. Many of these kids rightfully view college as a stepping stone to pro ball so the comment totally makes sense from that perspective.
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Thanks for calming me down and bringing me back to reality guys
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It’s far from a guarantee that Wilson even gets more than 5 mpg this year. I personally see Enaruna beating him out for PT. But i know others don’t feel that same way.
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@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
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Kcmatt7 said:
It’s far from a guarantee that Wilson even gets more than 5 mpg this year. I personally see Enaruna beating him out for PT. But i know others don’t feel that same way.
your right – -but just like everyone else - - your totally entitled to your opinion - that’s what makes this room so good. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
You might be right. But Enaruna is 6’9 and looks like a modern athletic 4 to me.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 That’s the first time I’ve seen Enaruna as a 3. How’s he going to defend the 3?
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@Kcmatt7 Self or some other coach said he was only 6-8. He also doesn’t have a frame like Wilson to put on much more weight, he’ll probably top out at about 220 lbs whereas Wilson will probably top out at 235-240. Enaruna is an above average ball handler like Svi and slashing is the most advanced part of his game at this point.
Jalen Wilson is an average at best ball handler for his size. Every recruiting service also has Enaruna listed as a 3.
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@KUSTEVE Enaruna has a very similar frame to Svi and Svi primarily played the 3.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You could also say his frame was close to Kevin Young. I went back and watched his videos, and he looks like a 3. He’s skinny as a rail. He’d get mauled in the paint. Not sure I saw the quickness of a 3. This looks to me to be a red shirt all the way.
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It seems like we have a wealth of new potential, primarily undeveloped.
I feel like we can expect to see at least one RS this coming season.
None of us know the status of future recruiting and the true intent of some of our current players on whether they will go or stay next year… the inside track. That plays a role in all of this. We all point to Mitch and how he will be needed more in the following year and for that reason, he may want to RS to best help a future team.
This is all one big puzzle and at stake is the potential success of our team and also impacting the success of players concerning their professional futures.
I don’t think any of us realize how complicated all of this is and how capable a coach must be to make the right decisions, considering all the factors, all the players, while attempting to put the best team on the floor this year and in future years.
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@drgnslayr If Enaruna is playing the 3, he might not see a second of time this year. I thot he had a path to a few minutes at the 4, but playing the 3…imo…means no way, Jose. Too much room at the inn. And i’m still left wondering how he’ll defend either 3 or the 4.
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@KUSTEVE Kevin Young came into a very different situation though. KU’s depth those 2 years were nonexistent in the front court so Young played the 4 out of necessity more than anything. Young had two things going for him that helped him not be totally overwhelmed when he was in. The first was that he was older when he got to KU, I think he was 22 when he got here so his body was more mature. Second, Young had very long arms that helped him on defense and getting rebounds. Had KU had more depth those two years, I think we would’ve seen Young at the three because there definitely times when he was physically overmatched on defense.
With Tristan, he doesn’t look like he has the length KY did, longer than Svi, but not freakishly long like KY. Also, given Enaruna’s background as a Euro player, his fundamentals are pretty advanced. Tristan’s game is also much more suited to the three spot than any other position on the floor. Like a lot of Euro players, defense is probably going to be a weakness for Tristan early on. It was for Svi and for a lot of other Euro players even when they reach the NBA.
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@drgnslayr There could be up to 3 redshirts this year. Christian Braun seems the most likely, we all know the talk about Mitch possibly taking one as well. I think there could be third one now that KU has signed Harris. It wouldn’t surprise me to see the loser of the McBride/Harris battle take a redshirt as well this year to stagger those two so KU isn’t looking to sign two PG’s in class out of necessity again.
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@KUSTEVE Enaruna is probably the 5th big if Self puts him at the 4. There’s no minutes in that situation either. Wherever Tristan plans this year, he’s the last man in rotation anyway so he’ll have probably 3-4 mpg along with several DNP’s once conference play starts.
His defense is a work in progress regardless of position. He’s a stereotypical Euro player in that regard
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ahem…mature…like Doke? like Silvio? See how we’re swerving back into my original point about maturity and experience? As to Kevin Young, the comparison was about physique- not necessarily anything else.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
You might be right. But Enaruna is 6’9 and looks like a modern athletic 4 to me.
We have a winner! Enaruna is a legit 6’9 according to folks in the building. 6’9.25 or .5 depending on the time of day. And there’s a chance he’s not done. Has grown a couple inches in the last 2 years. Also close to 7’1 wingspan. Dude is large. And also just turned 18 so he’s at least a year younger than most freshmen, and in a lot of cases 2 years younger. 6’9+ 215 (I think he ends up around there) is easily big enough to guard the 4.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 Wilson and Enaruna play different positions. Wilson is a stretch 4 and Enaruna is a 3. Wilson or McBride/Harris (whichever gets the back up PG job) will be the freshman with the most minutes this year.
You might be right. But Enaruna is 6’9 and looks like a modern athletic 4 to me.
We have a winner! Enaruna is a legit 6’9 according to folks in the building. 6’9.25 or .5 depending on the time of day. And there’s a chance he’s not done. Has grown a couple inches in the last 2 years. Also close to 7’1 wingspan. Dude is large. And also just turned 18 so he’s at least a year younger than most freshmen, and in a lot of cases 2 years younger. 6’9+ 215 (I think he ends up around there) is easily big enough to guard the 4.
Enaruna will be a stretch 4.
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@FarmerJayhawk KU has Enaruna listed at 6-8, when has KU ever listed someone as being shorter than they really are?
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@FarmerJayhawk Tristan isn’t younger than most freshmen. Most freshmen, including athletes, enter college at 18. The only freshmen he’s a year young than are the players who went the prep school route to boost their grades or exposure. He’s young for the grade level, but not for being a freshman.
Looking at his videos, I also call BS on him having a 7-1 wingspan. He’s at most a +2" in wingspan from his height. Only way he has a 7-1 wing span would be if he had short legs and he definitely doesn’t have short legs, he’s got long legs. Every HS scouting report on Tristan lists length as being average. That means there’s no way he’s +4" or +5" in wingspan from his height.
With a different roster composition, Tristan could be a stretch 4, but with Jalen Wilson in the mix, Self won’t play both of them at the same position. Jalen Wilson is nowhere near good enough with the ball in his hands to play on the perimeter. Jalen is also going to fill out much larger than Tristan will. Jalen is going to fill out at 235 lbs. or so. Those two factors are why Jalen will be the stretch 4 for the future and Tristan Enaruna will be the 3 of the future.
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Two years from now, KU’s starting line up is probably Issac McBride, DaJuan Harris, Tristan Enaruna, Jalen Wislon, and David McCormack.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Two years from now, KU’s starting line up is probably Issac McBride, DaJuan Harris, Tristan Enaruna, Jalen Wislon, and David McCormack.
That team would be salty as hell, especially when you factor in OAD going away.
You’d have a guy in Harris that projects an en elite ball handler, a combo guard with PG potential and elite shooter in McBride, a rangy do it all wing, potential great shooting stretch 4 and a behemoth SR C. Hope it comes to fruition.
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Oh, no, no … we’ll have a Grimes, or an Alexander, or an Oubre to save the day. Or will we?
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@FarmerJayhawk KU has Enaruna listed at 6-8, when has KU ever listed someone as being shorter than they really are?
Wiggs and Joel come to mind. Wiggs was listed at 6’8 but is really 6’9. Jo was at least 7’1 at KU. These from measurements taken by NBA teams right after the season. Frank was listed at 5’11 but measured 6’0 at the combine. Cliff was 6’8 at KU but nearly 6’9 at the combine. I just report what the good people at KU tell me.
Right, most freshmen turn 19 during their freshman year. Tristan won’t until he’s a sophomore. Just as a couple examples, Devon Dotson is 22 months older than Enaruna and just a single class ahead. David McCormack is 23 months older (actually 23 months and 3 weeks). I’m sure if you looked down the classes you’d find similar results. I know Josh Jackson turned 20 while at KU, and didn’t go to prep school. You may be thinking of academic “redshirting,” which is definitely a thing for athletes. Enaruna would’ve been a prime candidate had he grown up in the states.
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@FarmerJayhawk Tristan is not entering college a year early. This is a case where you have to know what the rules and laws are when it comes to enrolling kids in school and that varies from state to state. Everywhere has a specific date that’s used to determine when kids start school. It is typically one of two dates, either August 1 or September 1. Academic years typically begin in August or September and run through the conclusion of summer sessions. Tristan Enaruna will turn 19 before the start of his sophomore year which would be next August/September depending on when classes start at KU. Tristan Enaruna is one of the youngest players in the class, he’s not young for the class. Tristan is not in the same category as Svi who did skip a grade and enrolled at KU a year earlier than normal.
In the case of Josh Jackson’s age, he did begin college at 19. Jackson was 1 year and 4 months older than Tristan Enaruna when Jackson started college. Josh Jackson failed 8th grade, that’s why he began college at 19 despite not going to prep school. Had John Jackson not failed 8th grade and graduated on time, he would’ve been 4 months older than Enaruna is when he started college.
Devon Dotson is a year older than most because of Illinois and how their education system worked at the time. I know Dotson graduated school in North Carolina, but he lived in Illinois when he started school and that’s the relevant part to why he’s older. Prior to 2014, the mandatory enrollment age for children in Illinois was when the child turned 7 between September 1 and August 31.
In the case of David McCormack, he did go to prep school (Oak Hill) so that’s simple enough to explain his age.
All 3 of those players were one academic year older than most entering college for 3 different reasons. One failed, one lived in a state with a later enrollment age than most states, and one was a prep school kid.
So no, Tristan Enaruna is not entering college a year early like Svi did.
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Tristan is going to be a young freshman, considering the current landscape of college basketball.
The rest we will just have to wait to see.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 right. I’ve actually done some interesting regression discontinuity about outcomes for the kids on the border and looked at effects of a month difference in enrollment age. Makes a difference for sure. Which is why so many athletes are held back a year, and makes Tristan young for a freshman, just like Grimes was last year.
Oak Hill isn’t a prep school, it’s just grades 8-12. IMG has a postgrad program though.
That’s true, but don’t say they all went to prep school as a postgrad when none did. The only guys we’ve had go that route were Frank and Devonte off the top of my head.
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@FarmerJayhawk Oak Hill is a is prep school unless their own website’s description of the school is false. So Dave did go to a prep school. The reason Oak Hill grew into a basketball factory is because they don’t have to worry about their students meeting NCAA eligibility requirements because their academics far surpass a lot of prep school’s out there.
“Since 1878, Oak Hill Academy has transformed the lives of hundreds of unmotivated students. In the heart of the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains, our small, co-ed, college preparatory boarding school combines structure with self-reliance, discipline with discovery, and a firm hand with a warm heart. Our curriculum challenges the brightest students and encourages those who are unmotivated or experiencing difficulty in their current school setting. Our structured and relational environment is the opportunity for students to redefine themselves in very positive ways. Attending Oak Hill is a turning point.”
Very simply, let’s pretend Tristan isn’t an athlete a d is just a regular student like 99% of the people at KU are. KU’s academic year begins with the fall semester around Labor Day and ends with the second summer session in July. A traditional freshman student will turn 19 some time between those start and end dates. Since Tristan Enaruna will be 19 before the fall 2020 semester begins, he is in the correct academic class for his age group. He is among the youngest in his age group, but he is still in the correct academic year for his age group.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 prep school isn’t postgrad. They don’t have a postgraduate basketball program. Full stop. In education, folks conflate the two a lot, but they are different. Many charter schools are “prep schools” since they focus on preparing kids for college but only have up to grade 12 and don’t accept students that already have enough credits to graduate high school. Oak Hill does not accept postgrads, though it is a prep school in that it prepares students for college.
Glad we agree. Tristan is by definition young for his class, like I’ve said from the beginning.
