Roster possibilities
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BShark said:
Top 5 squad easily with Jalen and Kyree lol.
Oh ya buddy - -how far am I off on the depth chart? what you think?
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Best guess: G: Dotson, McBride G: Walker, Garrett G: Agbaji, Wilson, Braun (RS) F: #FreedSilvio, Enaruna, Mitch F: Doke, McCormack
We might add someone like Hyland but it’s not really a thing until KU offers. And that’s a FF quality team.
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If walker and Wilson come on board…I would like to think that lightfoot, braun and McBride redshirt. Cupboard is full of talent. If McBride and braun see significant play time…this team has issues. Mitch is merely in a numbers crunch.
I do wonder if self will implement twin towers mode of done and big dave. Would be nice when playing a 2/3 zone
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I agree on Mitch and Braun. Not on McBride. I think we’ll need his ball handling and shooting in spots.
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- Dotson, McBride, Garrett
- Ochai, Garrett, Braun
- Garrett, Enaruna
- Silvio, Lightfoot, Enaruna, Garrett
- Dok, McCormack, Lightfoot
Marcus can play 4 positions. No wonder Bill loves him.
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Who is Walker, don’t remember seeing his name?
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JayhawksandChill said:
Who is Walker, don’t remember seeing his name?
Kyree Walker, a 2020 5 star guard that is likely to reclassify into the current class and KU has been hot on his trail
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Best guess: G: Dotson, McBride G: Walker, Garrett G: Agbaji, Wilson, Braun (RS) F: #FreedSilvio, Enaruna, Mitch F: Doke, McCormack
We might add someone like Hyland but it’s not really a thing until KU offers. And that’s a FF quality team.
For set positions this is pretty much it. With the actual rotations I think Garrett is really flexible and would see time at multiple spots. Wilson would also see minutes at the 4.
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So now we wait on Wilson and Walker… Yikes
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BeddieKU23 said:
So now we wait on Wilson and Walker… Yikes
Worst case roster is still pretty good now.
Self will add some guys, hard to see him rolling with 10. Now…they might end up being Maxwell types. So yeah, I hope for at least one of Wilson or Walker as either one moves the needle.
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BeddieKU23 said:
So now we wait on Wilson and Walker… Yikes
Lol , why yes - -we WAIT. Why in the world would you not want to wait lmao. – Just giving you a hard time , I feel exactly where your coming from. - Have no idea what it would feel like to already have a good chunk of our 2020 recruiting done. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The key to next season is Agbaji. Forget adding any other player as a requirement to compete for a NC. If Doke, SDS , and Dotson are as expected, Agbaji becomes the key. If he elevates his game as his talent would indicate and finds consistency, look out. His all around effort is high level. Hits the boards. Everything you’d want. Although pounding it to Doke inside will be our bread and butter, when things get late in the game, and the big fella might be a bit winded, Agbaji might very well be the go to guy. He’s got “it.” I’ve mentioned that thought before, I think after his first game or two. We’ve got a special player.
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@HighEliteMajor Then I certainly hope Jalen Wilson doesn’t come in, and slow down Ochai’s development.
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So we have 7 guys back with experience. All 7 have started games at some point in their career of have been career starters. Good for continuity and some chemistry.
That core 7 can win this team 20 games or so.
Shooting is still a huge concern. The 3/2 seems like the style of play we’ll have to focus on.
IF KU doesn’t add Walker or Wilson I don’t see championship ceiling. I think this team constructed needs one or both to raise the ceiling to that discussion. KU can absorb a freshman being a key cog because the Core 7 all have experience. If I had to pick 1, probably Wilson because he’d most likely be on campus earlier and has some position versatility and size that will be valuable at times. I think we need Walker or Wilson’s shooting to be a dependable addition to this team. You can’t rely on Ochai as the only shooter in the lineup. There won’t be any scheming Self can rely on if that’s the case
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@BeddieKU23 agree. Even if you are as high on Och as @HighEliteMajor which I am not, we can’t afford to be relying on 2 of McBride, Braun and Enaruna to play a major bench role. I can see one surprising enough to do so but not all three. We need another rotation level minimum preferably starter level 2/3 for this team to be a true title contender.
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All that also has Garrett starting too which is…not great but livable.
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I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn’t meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.
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@wissox Well, the alternative is…lower ranked FR in the rotation. The starters are all experienced at least.
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@KUSTEVE I think that if we add Wilson, and he starts at the three, we slide Agbaji to the two spot. I’m all for adding Wilson. We could have Agbaji, Wilson, and Garrett cover the 2-3 spots in some manner or form. And I think we could get by with Dotson at PG, with Garrett as some cover, and McBride in bursts, depending upon his readiness. What I don’t know for sure is Wilson’s readiness to start.
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@wissox thankfully we don’t need freshmen to lead the team! We do need at least one more perimeter body. Attrition has been such that we only have 10 guys right now, so we’re one injury away from disaster at about every spot.
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D dot and Ochai were pretty critical last year w/loss of doke and Silvio. They stepped up.
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Let’s play a game. Pick out whether they are describing Enaruna or Wilson.
A big perimeter prospect that possesses shooting ability and skill. He has very good size for the position and he’s a good athlete. He has a solid build and one that would fill out further in a college weight room. He already plays well through contact. Shooting is among his biggest strengths. He has good shot mechanics, shot preparation and good range. He’s also a good passer. Areas for improvement include creating space for pull-ups and ball handling. (Player) has the chance to be a first-round draft pick with development.
Has very good size but just has average length for a wing. A high-major perimeter prospect. Is an impressive athlete that gets off the ground with ease and quickness. Has good shot mechanics and a smooth, easy stroke. He’s also a good passer. The next step in his development is improving off the dribble, as he’s more of a straight-line driver at this stage. Also needs to get stronger.
Basically the same exact kind of prospect. And I’m curious as to how the staff is pitching Wilson right now.
I mean I would love to have both because I can only imagine how amazing a full on switching defense in 2020-2021 could be if you had Wilson, Enaruna, Ochai, Garrett and Braun on the floor at the same. Not to mention how well spaced the floor would be considering 4/5 of those guys could shoot. It’d be a thing of beauty.
I just am not going to get my hopes up that Wilson can 1. Contribute major minutes from day even if he comes here (if we don’t expect minutes from Enaruna). And 2. Won’t see Enaruna as a major threat for PT. Enaruna looks like the better athlete (and it isn’t even close) on tape to me.
I think Bill has his roster for better or for worse. I think we whiff on Wilson, personally. The only meaningful player I could see us adding at this point is Walker. Who would fit right in. But either way, I think this group is a 30-win Top 10 team. As long as Bill can iron out the 3 point defense, this group has enough to make a runa at a FF. Nobody in the country has someone who can guard Doke. Dotson is a Top 5 PG. I think that’s enough to make a FF run.
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@HighEliteMajor Can Ochai handle the ball well enough to play the 2? Have we talked to Jaevin Cumberland? That guy is a 2 all the way. Shot 40% from 3 last year. 2 to 1 a/t. 17 ppg. We get him, and have Ochai at the 3. The other way is having Ochai with ball handling duties, and Jalen… who is a freshman…and might not be so great on defense. I prefer going and getting the experienced guy, if possible.
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@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.
I agree here. Enaruna didn’t even start on his HS team (although loaded) still points to a player that needs time to adjust.
Wilson has a college ready body for the most part. Great size for the wing position and is a scorer with a dependable 3 point shot. I can’t see us relying on Ochai solely to provide shooting, it just doesn’t work that way.
I have always been under the impression that Wilson has been undervalued. He’s not OAD ready but he’s skilled and can shoot. This is a guard in a 6’8 body. He would have played a big role at Michigan regardless of roster so I don’t see how that doesn’t translate here as well.
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.
I think he could fill a BG type of a role from day one, but that’s about it. I really don’t think he’s a great athlete from what I’ve seen. Definitely a below the rim guy.
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@HighEliteMajor I seriously think Grimes could not handle the fact the no-name red shirt was SO much better than him. Give me 5 Ochai’s over any Grimes-esque 1 and nones (not a typo!) any day! Go Och Go!!
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Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Wilson is much more ready to contribute than Enaruna from day one but I could be wrong.
I think he could fill a BG type of a role from day one, but that’s about it. I really don’t think he’s a great athlete from what I’ve seen. Definitely a below the rim guy.
Yeah I think Enaruna has more long term potential Wilson is just more ready to contribute right now. Agree on the BG comp.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
D dot and Ochai were pretty critical last year w/loss of doke and Silvio. They stepped up.
They stepped up true. I guess in my vague criteria of impactful, they weren’t good enough to get us another championship nor were they good enough to get us into the tourney very far. And Ochai’s game took quite a downturn towards the end. Hoping he figures out what to do to play like the post red shirt coming off games.
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@wissox you are tough, if d dot had doke or Silvio, maybe Vick, he would have been very good. For a red shirt w/A stress fracture,Ochai was not to shabby! I think you can depend on freshmen if the rest of your team doesn’t fold
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@wissox you are tough, if d dot had doke or Silvio, maybe Vick, he would have been very good. For a red shirt w/A stress fracture,Ochai was not to shabby! I think you can depend on freshmen if the rest of your team doesn’t fold
Trust Crims @wissox that injury was very difficult for Ochai. Amazing he was playing, no doubt effected his shooting.
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wissox said:
I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn’t meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.
Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
wissox said:
I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn’t meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.
Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I assume he meant Walker?
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@FarmerJayhawk he just knows paragraphs
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk he just knows paragraphs
who is it that just knows paragraphs?
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@FarmerJayhawk Yes you’re right!
All my other friends. I know about the difficulties Dotson and Ochai faced, but they simply didn’t remind me of the types of freshman that would be known as transformative types. I’m probably wrong like I am every year when I pencil in KU on the last line on my bracket!
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jayballer73 said:
wissox said:
I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn’t meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.
Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Sherlock was busy, so he called on Watson to piece together the mystery of the KU AMOEBA LINEUP …
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You guys, things are heating up.
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KUSTEVE said:
jayballer73 said:
wissox said:
I never believe a freshman can lead KU to anything great. Sure, lets get Wilson and Watson whom I just learned about. How many ballyhooed freshman have we had that didn’t meet our lofty expectations. Not sure but the last time I remember freshmen coming in and exceeding expectations was when Collison, Heinrich and Gooden came in and were a revelation to me.
Who is this Watson you are speaking of? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Sherlock was busy, so he called on Watson to piece together the mystery of the KU AMOEBA LINEUP …
Lookie here MR - -you need to stop that lol - – - -you really think Sherlock might come and play for us lmao
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BShark said:
You guys, things are heating up.
Whoa
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@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy…lol.
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I’m just happy KU is on his mind
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KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy…lol
I voted - - keep 11 lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
@BeddieKU23 DD put up a poll on Twitter where he asked if he should change his uni number from 11 to 1, and Kyree responded, and everybody is going crazy…lol.
There are lots of reasons to feel good about this one. Pro-KU people in his ear from what I understand.
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@BShark I can’t pull it up…summarize please?
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@BShark good guess
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@jayballer73 me too…lol.
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@BShark Yes, the tweet.
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Hawk8086 said:
@BShark Yes, the tweet.
He responded to a tweet from Devon who was running a poll to determine his number at KU next season. He told DD to keep #11.
