DeSousa Tracker
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When Silvio made his ultimatum it let the NCAA off the hook. Do nothing and he goes away. There likely needs to be a lawsuit to make them pay attention. The flip side is maybe they have ruled against Silvio, but are granting KU/Silvio more time to plead their case. It doesn’t look good for Silvio at this time imho.
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@dylans I suspect you are correct … it seems that the ruling has been made, and it was negative, just not made public knowledge yet. If it was positive, we’d know.
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This is the first I saw this. I apologize if someone posted this earlier.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5972717-Silvio-De-Sousa-appeal-letter.html?sidebar=false
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HighEliteMajor said:
@dylans I suspect you are correct … it seems that the ruling has been made, and it was negative, just not made public knowledge yet. If it was positive, we’d know.
Ya Probably
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Maybe, glass half full person, he’s been cleared and they are sitting on it too?
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I don’t think they’d be sitting on it one way or the other. I don’t see how that benefits anyone.
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Agree with you here. Him being eligible would be positive news for the program and recruiting to build around him. Can’t see how sitting on that helps anyone
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@jayballer73 They should be sued for idiocy. Just make a freaking decision already!
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Fightsongwriter said:
@jayballer73 They should be sued for idiocy. Just make a freaking decision already!
ya that’s my point too. - -I mean come on - one way or another
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They already made a decision once, we just didn’t like it so told them to make a decision again… AND THINK REAL HARD THIS TIME. Now do it faster! Lol, fans!
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I wonder, can the school release the decision on SDS without SDS’s consent? I don’t know … but it would seem on its face to be similar to academic info.
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@approxinfinity The same people aren’t making this decision though. The appeals committee is a different group of people and I don’t believe they’re employed by the NCAA.
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approxinfinity said:
They already made a decision once, we just didn’t like it so told them to make a decision again… AND THINK REAL HARD THIS TIME. Now do it faster! Lol, fans!
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@approxinfinity Following your line they should thus have a quick decision. Bureaucracy, lol!!
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2019/may/19/jeff-long-ncaa-needed-more-information-ku-after-in/
Jeff Long states the NCAA needed more info after the initial appeal. That seems to be the hold up. Either that or it was a NO and they are just appealing again? Who knows. We should know by 2026
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Lol
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If true, maybe it’s good … because when more info is requested, then the fact finder may need confirmation on an item we asserted, that may be helpful. Asking might indicate it might help; or maybe it’s bad, because we may have asserted something that they did not think was verifiable, and asked that it be verified. Meaning to confirm we were full of it.
Or, the cow jumped over the moon.
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@HighEliteMajor my question is, when did they ask for it and when did we send it? So vague. Why hasn’t this been told to us before now? None of our business, maybe!
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We’ll get a decision May 30th, the day after the last day of declaration of staying/returning.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@HighEliteMajor my question is, when did they ask for it and when did we send it? So vague. Why hasn’t this been told to us before now? None of our business, maybe!
My understanding is they feel good enough about their chances that they don’t want this played out in the press
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@Kcmatt7 Yeah, the agent is called a lawyer to protect his interests. Doesn’t appear the NCAA wants to protect a student athlete. This kid WANTS to play and continue his NCAA education. The NCAA should be helping, not discouraging him.
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Whatever, AND we hurry and WAIT
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think what @FarmerJayhawk said makes some sense. But the “state secret” nature of all of this makes me think it is just a student privacy matter.
@truehawk93 Nothing is stopping him from continuing his education. So that’s a non-issue. He went to school this past year. It’s that playing thing that is problematic when you (or your agent) takes money and breaks the rules. The drama voiced on behalf of SDS is just tiring to me (I don’t tire easily). You said “The NCAA should be helping, not discouraging him” – if there are not rules, i.e., CHEATING, then there is no CBB as we know it. And a lot of kids “WANT” to play CBB and can’t because they don’t have the natural talent. The unfairness of it is overwhelming.
That all said, I think we all agree that it is not unreasonable for the suspension to just be the one season. But I have the unfortunate opinion that banning him two seasons is not unreasonable either, when you take big sums of money. I won’t be offended either way.
Ah, but that FF banner coming down and sitting out the tourney may be the next shoe to drop on the SDS affair. Unfair?
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Could it be the ncaa gave an ultimatum…well give you sds next year but you take down the final four banner and give up all wins and return your 14th rings…or keep the banner and the rings and the accolades and sds stays out per our original ruling.
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@bmensch1 I don’t think you get choices.
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I didn’t think anyone could get suspended for 2 years either. When it comes to the ncaa, I have to take myself out of logical thinking and just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
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HighEliteMajor said
Ah, but that FF banner coming down and sitting out the tourney may be the next shoe to drop on the SDS affair. Unfair?
If this was Duke or UNC we all would say “feed them to the lions.” Now do I say that because I hate those schools or that I like KU?
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@KUSTEVE My gosh I did not think of that but you are so spot on. They will tell him May 30 he is eligible after he is ineligible. Then there will have to be anothe appeal…aaaargghghhrrhhrhr!
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@rockchalkwyo Seems to me that logic is usually inconvenient in such circumstances. Unfortunately, logic weighs against us a bit here I think.
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SDS, we hardly knew ye. Good luck in your future endeavors.
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Well hopefully Long is right is they / we do hear something by the 29th. I can’t imagine he would say that if he wasn’t extremely confident they would.
Either way it will be nice to know and move on. Hopefully it’s with SDS but my confidence level is not high.
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The next two weeks are the most important 2 weeks of the entire spring. De Sousa, Dotson, Hampton, Wilson.
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Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
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Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Even doing so only the player moves on. The NCAA investigation still looms over KU no matter if he’s here or not
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Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That’s one of my favorite player - -don’t hate the player - -hate the game - can’t believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That’s pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don’t be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I’ve seen and your a KU fan? I’,/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don’t you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that’s sad buddy = - - - I’m Done
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@Marco Silvio won’t be allowed to play next year, imo. Until that is determined, there’s no reason to rush him off the stage. We owe him that, at the very least.
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@KUSTEVE Man. What a stud.
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@KUSTEVE -Buddy? - - Why ? - - -Why? – Steve - - - Buddy? - - -WHY? - -why you wanna be so mean lol - -This is just torture lol - - thanks a lot man lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@KUSTEVE What is the active ingredient?
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I really feel for the kid, hes been here for over a year and a half, yet only played like 20 games. The crime doesnt fit the punishment. I’ve said it a million times so I’ll say it again. The NCAA is the biggest legalized mob outside of the government in this country.
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@Fightsongwriter Eligibility…
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jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That’s one of my favorite player - -don’t hate the player - -hate the game - can’t believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That’s pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don’t be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I’ve seen and your a KU fan? I’,/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don’t you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that’s sad buddy = - - - I’m Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
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@KUSTEVE True… We do… But like yourself I believe that he is all but done playing ball at KU.
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kjayhawks said:
I really feel for the kid, hes been here for over a year and a half, yet only played like 20 games. The crime doesnt fit the punishment. I’ve said it a million times so I’ll say it again. The NCAA is the biggest legalized mob outside of the government in this country.
I am one-hundred percent in his court. He was scape-goated, unfairly made an example of with not a shred of evidence, only heresay. The NCAA (wholely independent committee doing the review, my ass) being what it is though, it is all but guaranteed that he will not be reinstated.
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Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That’s one of my favorite player - -don’t hate the player - -hate the game - can’t believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That’s pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don’t be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I’ve seen and your a KU fan? I’,/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don’t you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that’s sad buddy = - - - I’m Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That’s one of my favorite player - -don’t hate the player - -hate the game - can’t believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That’s pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don’t be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I’ve seen and your a KU fan? I’,/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don’t you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that’s sad buddy = - - - I’m Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year’s crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
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Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already… Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That’s one of my favorite player - -don’t hate the player - -hate the game - can’t believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That’s pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don’t be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I’ve seen and your a KU fan? I’,/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don’t you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that’s sad buddy = - - - I’m Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year’s crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
No, there won’t be. 22 year old Silvio is a surefire 5*, top 10 recruit in the 2020 class. Who would you rather have in 2020-21: Silvio or Walker Kessler? You’re acting like he’s just been sitting on the couch for 2 years. He’s been in the best S&C and nutrition programs in the country and been coached by a HoF’er. So you’re either saying our entire staff sucks or players can’t improve from age 19-22. If that’s your view, make your case.
I’m saying he could stay and play his senior year. He doesn’t need to be reinstated to play college basketball again. The committee cannot increase a punishment and Silvio still has another year after his current suspension as it currently stands.
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If something happens and Silvio is free to play next year. Watch out! I have it from reliable sources that he has become a complete beast. He’ll manhandle the entire NCAA field. And to have him beside Doke… We will bully our way directly to the Final Four. We experienced a timid Silvio the first time. He isn’t timid any longer. And he’s even stronger and more skilled. He will dominate everyone in college basketball.
