Official Player Declarations Thread
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@BeddieKU23 to Port over your news from another thread. KJ gone (-1) = 11
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Ok so , Charlie -now KJ so that now gives us two available right?
KJ come as no surprise for sure - -which just also just validate the point even that much more that Dedric is gone - -which we all knew anyways - -So that’s for sure 3 scholi’s available. - -I had been saying KJ was gone anyways - -getting married and his brother leaving - pretty close to Dedric - -had heard this quite some time ago - -If Dedric left which we know he is - -then chances were KJ was leaving - -no surprises here . – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Things not looking so hot in Ames. And yeah glass houses and whatnot but I’m still laughing.
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approxinfinity said:
@BeddieKU23 to Port over your news from another thread. KJ gone (-1) = 11
Ha I was just coming to say I got the math right, just a few hours off.
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@jayballer73 Yep Dedric is gone.
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Is KJ gone for sure? I haven’t seen that reported anywhere…
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Woodrow said:
Is KJ gone for sure? I haven’t seen that reported anywhere…
Never mind. Just saw it. No surprise to me. I expected him to leave with Dedric. I doubt Self was surprised either.
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Is it just me or is the cupboard is getting pretty bare if Dok is not back? We have 5 open scholarships unless I’m missing something.
PG: Dotson SG: Grimes (assumption) SF: Ochai PF: ? C: Big Dave
G: Garrett G: McBride G: Braun F: Mitch
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Grimes will leave. Gonna need to add a lot of guys. Ideally 3 HS guys and a couple grad transfers.
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Blackshear at VT will seek a modest fortune in Europe, like his dad did, [instead of transfering]. Not official, but he will is my guess.
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I don’t know why guys are just point blank proclaiming so and so will leave like it’s a fact? Grimes will leave, Doke will leave, Dedric will leave, I keep hearing people say this as fact. I understand speculation. But good grief, are you texting these guys? Are you Self’s bff’s so he tells you everything?
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BShark said:
Grimes will leave. Gonna need to add a lot of guys. Ideally 3 HS guys and a couple grad transfers.
They was talking About this on the recruiting today - -saying Grimes leaving will play a major factor in Stanley rather he comes or not.
Grimes comes back - -chances are really slim - -if Grimes leaves - -a lot better chance of him coming here. - -also said if Dixon takes the UCLA job - -that would be the best thing that could happen for anybody/everybody else that is recruiting Stanley - -more or less insinuating Dixon goes to UCLA - -Stanley won’t be going there. lol
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wissox said:
I don’t know why guys are just point blank proclaiming so and so will leave like it’s a fact? Grimes will leave, Doke will leave, Dedric will leave, I keep hearing people say this as fact. I understand speculation. But good grief, are you texting these guys? Are you Self’s bff’s so he tells you everything?
Let me put it to you this way - - if you think that Dedric is coming back next year? - - - - - - -let me ask you if your interested in some swamp land in Florida reasonably cheap? lmao - -he has nothing to gain here - -another year will not improve his NBA stock status very much by returning next year. - - Now with KJ transferring out - -is also a pretty good sign Dedric is gone. - -those two pretty tight , Dedric I’m sure has already informed KJ what his decision was - thus the KJ transfer - in the end run with KJ getting married he might not even end up anywhere - -just start his social life the ol grind of life - -Don’t worry he won’t be back.
The only reason Doke would come back would be for his degree. He for sure is not going to improve his NBA stock , and like they were talking on the show today - -he is ready to start making money - whether somebody gives him a shot just off being 7 ft and 280 lbs - - -the way he has been injury prone - -hell he isn’t going to come back and risk getting hurt again - -maybe an injury that could keep him from playing NBA - -OR oversea’s either one an make nothing. - -99% - -to 1% he won’t be back.
Grimes of those 3 would be the most iffy. - he would be THE one with the most possibility of coming back. - -yet that happening - -with his parents in his ear - -talking to NBA personel getting feed back - in the off season getting input - -parents saying this was just an off year - - an no matter what type of season - we all should know and most do know they still draft on Potential and ceiling and the NBA still loves his potential - -good size I -have no reason to be texting any of these guys – seems pretty simple for the reasons I mentioned. - but it’s ok - -everyone can hold on to their opinions - - and eternal hope - - - - - -na he not coming back -IF he does I’d be mildly surprised , but not holding my breath. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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wissox said:
I don’t know why guys are just point blank proclaiming so and so will leave like it’s a fact? Grimes will leave, Doke will leave, Dedric will leave, I keep hearing people say this as fact. I understand speculation. But good grief, are you texting these guys? Are you Self’s bff’s so he tells you everything?
KJ announcing that he’s transferring is pretty much the writing on the wall that Dedric is leaving. It’s pretty much always been assumed they were a package deal and with KJ going, it’s probably just a matter of time until Dedric declares.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 did you think dedric would declare first?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I did!
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Updated the Opening Post to reflect the KJ transfer. Waiting until something official comes out regarding Dedric to update him but we all can see the writing on the wall there.
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Come on grimes… do it. Leave… listen to all your people and parents… ones who’ve been telling you how great you are, your POTENTIAL… you are N.B.A. … materiel dammit!!! Self was and is making you play in ways that are NOT conducive to your development, all that emphasis on defense and switching and setting picks and passing… these really are not needed in the NDA (the NoDefenseAssociation) that is your goal. You are wasting your time here.
Selby is by far my least fav player ever to don a KU Jersey, and grimes, you will be very close second. Do it!! I will follow your career thru whatever league you end up in… and however long you can manage to play for whatever $ you can make. Just leave KU so we can get someone who actually WANTS to play ball for KU, wants to invest their selves in college and the program.
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I don’t share your disdain for the players but I do share your disgust for what college basketball has become. I almost wish the roster was nothing but 3/4 stars that we can actually watch develop. It’s becoming more like a pro game with massive free agency.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 See you have enough sense to say it’s “pretty much handwriting on the wall”. You didn’t say Lawson is gone for sure. I agree, he probably is, Doke, I’m not sure. Grimes? @BShark wrote it like it’s a fact. It’s not a fact. I want Grimes back. I have hope that he’ll improve, be more experienced. We enjoyed the junior year Wayne Selden, but were all pretty frustrated with the freshman version.
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@wissox Remember the Wayne dunk on Baylor when his Uncle went berserk? Remember when Paul Pierce went nuts against OU. Junior Year Great Memories. He absolutely needs to come back or Q will wind up on the “Might Have Beens Basketball Scrap Heap”
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@wissox Come on man, if it’s on the internet somewhere - it HAS to be true…
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Question for the board- what your take on the Lawson’s now that their one-year stint at KU is over… how will they rank for you as the years pass… how would you assess their impact on the current program.
For me, Dedrick was pretty essential in winning games, because of the weird year we had with no doke, no desousa, the second disappearance of Vick (will we ever find out the full story in that?) but… he always just seemed like he was doing his thing, forcing as many shots as he was scoring them, and he never felt like a team leader type. I never sensed that playing for KU for him was a big deal vs any other decent program. I never got the Love-for-KU vibe very much from him (and does that really matter?) He behaved exactly like a guy who knew all along he was here for one year, showcasing his skills in a marquee program before going pro. That is the new reality. He certainly won games for us for sure. kJ? I wanted to like him… he seemed a bit lost at times, but got better as the season wore on. He must have known all along it he was here just a year as well. Mercenaries comes to mind.
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@Bosthawk I liked Dedric. I just didn’t like him for our team. He’s a piece that is good enough to win you some games but not good enough as a centerpiece. I’ve always wondered what he would have looked like with a full cast around him.
I think for those who point at Doke going down as the moment our dreams of title contention were dashed gloss over the fact that Doke and Dedric did not play well together. On paper, we always assumed that they would, but in reality, the lack of athleticism while still both clogging the lane, and inability to pass from both of those guys made me doubt that it would ever really gel.
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Bosthawk said:
“I never got the Love-for-KU vibe very much from him (and does that really matter?)”
For me, that’s one of the most important things. I LOVE the guys that come here because they’ve always respected KU, or the ones that get recruited who have maybe very little knowledge of KU, but quickly learn the history and grow to love it.
There’s literally too many to name, but even this year, Mitch LIghtfoot is that guy. He was the Arizona player of the year and, while he’s no Zion, you don’t get to be the player of the year in any state without being very good. He probably could have played at a lot of schools and done very well, but he loved KU and chose to play at KU knowing his PT would probably be limited.
I want a whole dang team full of MItch Lightfoots - guys that bring the energy, have a great attitude and put the team first.
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Dedric not dedrick was here 2 yrs. While he was here he won several awards. His D drove me nuts, but I believe he loved being a Jayhawk, cried like a baby after our final loss.
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@nuleafjhawk NIT?
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@Crimsonorblue22 HUH? Not following you …
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@Fightsongwriter That dunk was great, but his dunk against Kentucky in AFH that same season was just as great! It was against a 7 footer forget the name right now, but whoa, he threw it down!
Speaking of Selden, the Bulls pitiful roster has given him the chance to be starting right now, been holding his own.
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@dylans yes, I love Mitch too, but…
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@dylans What I meant was Mitch Lightfoot attitudes.
But, NIT might not have been so bad this year…beats our one and done.
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@wissox I have connections to the Grimes family (know people who know the family), don’t hold your breath on Grimes coming back is my opinion on Grimes. He should come back because he needs a solid full season instead of a few games at the end of the year to show his worth, but it sounds like Grimes is dead set on being a OAD like Josh Selby was.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 And we will hear his name in the news the same amount as we heard Josh’s
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Josh was better.
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At the very least Grimes should test the waters. Like the rest of you I don’t think he is ready but perhaps there is someone in the NBA that does. With the current rules not taking the chance to get honest feedback is a bit silly.
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I never gave Cheick Diallo a chance based on what we saw here, but he’s putting together a decent off the bench season. Oubre, must be hurt now, but he was one of our best former Hawks in the league. Hard for me to tell sometimes who’s gonna make it and who’s not.
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dylans said:
Josh was better.
Selby actually hasn’t had a bad career over in Europe and Asia. He’s been a 2× Israeli League all star and that’s one of the better leagues over in Europe/Asia.
I also fully believe KU probably wins the 2012 national title with Selby on that team.
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wissox said:
I never gave Cheick Diallo a chance based on what we saw here, but he’s putting together a decent off the bench season. Oubre, must be hurt now, but he was one of our best former Hawks in the league. Hard for me to tell sometimes who’s gonna make it and who’s not.
Self just blew it with a top 5 player (Diallo). A classic Self screw up. Players that other top coaches would embrace and incorporate, Self finds an excuse to go with low talent. One of Self’s low moments and it may have cost him a NC.
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@HighEliteMajor My memory is of Cheick being a very raw talent, not ready for prime time. It was a few years back, I’m not going to argue a point I don’t remember much about, but my memory was not of Cheick being a key cog in a National Championship run.
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@wissox diallo is just now figuring it out, he needed a lot of time. I think he’ll be in the league awhile though!
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@wissox He was well ready for prime time. Just needed PT to get there. Back then, folks argued with me claiming players didn’t improve during game action. Self went with his security blanket. Now Self sings a different tune. He plays a much worse player (Grimes) all season. Revisit the Nova EE game. They were able to take away Ellis, ignore LL.
We had zero rim protection with LL. Diallo had nearly four times the blocks per 40 than LL.
Diallo had a PER of 20.5. Let that sink in. There is no way to refute his production.
LL was a rebounder. Take time and compare their rebounds per 40 min. He just needed minutes to get acclimated. He needed some patience. Self gave him neither.
Diallo went to the NBA. He isn’t now just figuring it out. LL still in the BB mecca of Japan? Laughable.
He was a top 5 player. Self blew it.
It’s simply perpetuating a myth to claim that Diallo wasn’t ready. It’s indefensible.
Self played Charlie Moore more than twice the minutes as Diallo. Diallo only got 202 min all year.
It was an absolute travesty of coaching incompetence.
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@HighEliteMajor
I’m pretty sure Self would have used Diallo this year!
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@approxinfinity Diallo was a bit the type of step out big that is now the rage. Not to three range but he could hit the 15 footer. LL was a serviceable sloth. On a KU roster with LL and Traylor is not a place any big would want to be … at least a few years ago. I think Self would do it differently now if the same situation presented itself.
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I’m confused.
Why beat a dead horse in front of the choir you’ve been preaching to for years while claiming to turn over a new leaf?
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Dedric gone according to Goodman. In the least surprising news of the year
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Come on down, literally anyone that can play the 4 and stretch the court. Dont know who it will be
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BeddieKU23 said:
Come on down, literally anyone that can play the 4 and stretch the court. Dont know who it will be
Hurt
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Well, Self certainly has minutes for him.
