The Next Coach
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@FarmerJayhawk I’ve always got a spare pour for a fellow Jayhawk.
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Nice.
My dad liked Johnny Walker Black and Chivas and that is what I grew up with. On special occasions he would bring out the Chivas 18 and on rarer occasions the Chivas 25 which was by far the best I had ever tasted until I had chance to drink the Johnny Walker Blue Label which is something evey one that appreciates good scotch should try at least once…and I am not even much of a scotch drinker. Nowadays I drink mostly wine and hardly ever the hard stuff.
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@JayHawkFanToo I never liked Scotch until I tried single malt. Blends like Cutty Sark, J Walker Red, etc were all I’d had. Too bitter. Now we usually drink Glenlivet or something similar. Before the kids moved to Hawaii, I got a bottle every F Day. Now I just get a card, and then I have to get the booze myself to drown my sorrows…
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@mayjay If the kids moved to Hawaii and you might also get a bottle of scotch on Father’s day, I wonder, why not move to Hawaii?
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now don’t take this wrong in any way guys , Just had to chuckle some that’s all. - -Just kind of shows how sad our football program is and here is why. The Topic here is - - - - -The next Coach and yet some how we strayed and started talking about different types of spirit = = Scotch and such, - - -meaning no harm my friends just had to laugh thinking YEP that just shows how low our football has become lol we can’t even stay on course lmao. - -Sorry guys have no problem with the conversation - -just me and my twisted sense of humor. - - - I’ll laugh at just about anything ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Yeah and every time I read “The Next Coach” I think Bill’s not in that much hot water is he?!?
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 Yeah and every time I read “The Next Coach” I think Bill’s not in that much hot water is he?!?
Lmao , ya me too. When I 1st seen the topic that’s exactly who I thought this was about lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor That would be nice! Unfortunately, it would be cheaper to buy a bottle of every brand that makes 25 year scotch every month! But, you do give me an idea–we need to plan our trips in mid-June rather than January, and watch the waves as I sail into a nice soft fog…
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@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
…and by the look of things, some of the coaches might have been doing the same.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
mayjay said:
@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
…and by the look of things, some of the coaches might have been doing the same.
TRUTH lmao
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The Costco “Kirklands” brand scotch is surprisingly good and is quite a bit cheaper than other brands. About $25 for a 1.75L bottle. Definitely worth it for a budget scotch.
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Butch Jones would be a horrible fit here. Or anywhere. I lived in Knoxville for ten years and it was no surprise to me that he was a bust there, but he had every possible resource available to build a team at Tennessee. Decent recruiter with the bucks backing him up, but he’s really just not a smart coach.
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@DanR 100% agree, hello Charlie Weis 2.0, if you can’t win with SEC money or Notre Dame money, you simply will not win at Kansas.
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Tennessee definitely has more football resources than KU. Another thing to factor in is that someone in the SEC has more local recruiting bases to draw from than a coach at KU. KU really only has one large metro area to draw from, and that metro area is pretty well divided up between KU, Mizzou and K-State already, with Nebraska, Iowa and others regularly getting players from there as well.
Wichita produces some talent, but Oklahoma State is just as close, and Norman isn’t too much further. KU really doesn’t have a big advantage recruiting there.
The rest of the state just doesn’t produce enough talent.
Looking at states like Mississippi and Alabama, they produce more than twice as much D1 talent as Kansas does in state, and those are the smallest states in the SEC. There’s just so much talent to go around there, and most of it is local. That isn’t the case at KU, and likely never will be. That’s one of the reasons Nebraska has struggled more recently. Not enough local talent to go around, and enough of the local programs like KSU, Mizzou, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. all good enough to draw their local talent to keep the Huskers from being the recruiting destination on the plains.
The KU job is a challenging job. You need a coach that can get the most out of his recruits, but also someone that can recruit out of state talent because he can’t just rely on local talent because there just isn’t enough to fill out a roster year in and year out.
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Justin Leonard is an up and coming DC at Wisconsin who has a good track record and is rumored to be on the fast track for head coaching.
Besides him, there are certainly assistants out there who are looking for their big break and turning around this moribund program would be a crown in the jewel of any coach.
Of course going the up and coming assistant route means you risk losing them when/if they’re successful here. Every coach out there started as an assistant and someone found them. If we do our due diligence we can find this individual. Might as well start now.
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If I am KU, I am still looking at mid major head coaches that are good recruiters, preferably from the MAC or Mountain West. I would be hesitant to get a coach from the Sun Belt because they have more local recruiting ground. A coach at FIU or South Florida need only walk a few blocks to run into a dozen or so D1 prospects. A coach in the Sun Belt probably won’t have to go more than a couple hundred miles from campus to fill 60% of his roster.
A coach in the Mountain West or MAC, though? They have to recruit those that are overlooked, and may need to find a few diamonds in the rough, rather than just land a local kid or two.
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KU is past taking unproven assistant coaches to see if they can revive the football program.
If KU is serious about football it needs a coach with proven record of success…cheaper to pay for a quality coach rather than paying salaries former coaches that did not work out.
If you have a chance, read the Boston Globe 6-part story on Aaron Hernandez, it will give you a different and very negative view of Urban Meyers.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
If you have a chance, read the Boston Globe 3-part story on Aaron Hernandez, it will give you a different and very negative view of Urban Meyers.
Oh believe me I don’t need this article. Meyer is GARBAGE.
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The entire series is very interesting and gives a complete view of Hernandez and his life and tragic death.
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Found this interesting , not sure how much of this has already been mentioned but. - Read an article talking about the names of Coach’s that Long has been following on Twitter. They are:
Head Coach’s , - - - - Dave Clawson ( Wake Forest ) - - - - - - Dave Doeren, ( NC State )- - - - - - Jim Harbaugh ( Michigan )- - - - - - Lane Kiffen ( Florida Atlantic )- - - - - - Seth Littrell ( North Texas )- - - - - - Then they talk about another pretty solid Coach one that hadn’t been thought of or mentioned they said and that was - - - - Jeff Tedford ( Fresno State ) – AD Long has been following him also.
Then a Couple of ass’t Coach’s- - - - Jim Leavitt ( Oregon’s def Cordinator )- - - - - - & then Chip Long ( Norte Dame )
So again don’t know how many of these have been talked about but just throwing these guys out for what it’s worth - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It’s Miles, baring a last minute change of heart
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Will the firing and hiring be announced at the same time?
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No. The deal isn’t 100% done that I’m aware of. Sometime in early December seems more likely.
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Tomorrow could be wild…
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Tomorrow could be wild…
I’m very ready.
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Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
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kjayhawks said:
Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
I wouldn’t really rely on that to much , don’t think that will happen - -think they will go ahead and let him finish out. - -Wouldn’t make a lot of sense for Miles to come in Now.
Unless the only way would fire Coach and let someone from staff finish the season - - Go ahead then and let Les go out and see if he can recruit while the final 4 weeks - -I’m still kind of doubtful Les is coming here -just don’t know - -I’ll believe it when Isee it. - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 I think if they do it, it will because of fan support. Only 15,500fans were at today’s game and I’d say over half were ISU fans. Joe Dineen actually called out fans after the game and I agree. KSU has the same record as us but will have a full stadium their last 2 home games. We need to support these guys as best as we can, they are working hard.
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@kjayhawks Well not making a bowl game in 10 years excuses a lack of fan support imo. It isn’t even a competitive product on the field. And hasn’t been since 09.
I realize the players are working hard. But showing financial support also empowers the University to not make necessary changes. The only way you can show how you feel to the KU athletics department is with your wallet.
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Well yep. - -KU HAS announced they will be having a meeting/announcement whatever at 12;00 noon. - -So ya looks like he for sure is gone.
Even if Les has secretly been hired I still don’t think they wil lcome oit and mention him tomorrow - -just focusing on Beaty tommorrow
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@jayballer73 Contract extension! Because crappy programs always do that a couple months before firing someone. (So do corporations about to go under.) Just remember, you heard it here first!
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I was at the game today and if there were not any Iowa St fans there I would guess it would have been 5-7,000 KU fans. There is no fan support for this program and coach. I don’t blame anyone for not going or wanting to go. The product that Beaty trots out there every week is a joke.
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This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
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@HighEliteMajor You couldn’t really Fire a guy at the beginning of fall camp when Long was hired. Soren is now saying KU will allow Beaty to lose the final 3 games or finish year before he is released.
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@kjayhawks I get you’re point. But you know how you fire a guy before the season? You walk in and say, “You’re fired. Get out.” And you appoint the best assistant as interim coach. I think we would have had a better chance without Beatty. But who cares now? I don’t. I’m just excited that this is happening.
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HighEliteMajor said:
This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
Completely agree with you on this. Which I think means the world is ending.
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http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/kus-response-report-beatys-job-evaluation-football/
http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/tom-keegan-coaching-change-would-energize-fanbase/
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@HighEliteMajor I’m not a fan of Beaty, but neither do I think firing him is a magic fix for KU football. And I don’t know how anyone can believe “Success is on the horizon.”
Prior to this season, I did a review of Kansas football over the past 60 years. Beginning with Jack Mitchell, overall record since 1958 was 268 wins, 393 losses, 14 ties. The winning percentage over that time is .405. With a 12-game schedule that would be 4-5 wins a year. Only nine bowl games, averaging one every 6-7 years. Not what most people would call “success.”
Of the 14 coaches over that timeframe, only Mangino had a winning record (50-48). Regarding Mangino’s team in 2007, the overall record of opponents was 65-87, with only four having a winning record. The record of all Big 12 opponents KU played was 26-38.
They didn’t have to play Texas, Texas Tech, or Oklahoma that year. Generally, three guaranteed losses every year. So I’m not sure that’s the year everyone should be hoping to duplicate.
I don’t think Beaty’s the answer, but neither do I think he’s the reason for continual losing football at KU.
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I think another important aspect is getting Bowen out as well. Beaty is clueless but it’s long past time for Bowen to be out.
@Wigs2 Get the right coach and money going into the program and you can play above your historical station. KSU did that for awhile, Clemson is doing it now*. KU did it with Mangino. The money aspect is really important. The next hire needs to be good to put butts in seats. Football money is huge.
*Not saying KU can get to Clemson’s level at all. KU clearly has a lower floor and ceiling.
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@Wigs2 Agee some what for sure. - -There was a lot of people that when KU hired Charlie Weis - thought OK, ya know here we go - - we all saw how THAT turned out- - with Grand master plan people think Dammmmmmmmmmmm , especially when we had these what a lot of people again thought , man 5 star -Jake Heaps came into the program - - and Crist came in - total diasters .
I feel like that even IF Les Miles comes in , there are going to be some people ONCE again think all right now we gonna kick some ass. - -This is kind of along the lines of what your talking about. KU will never be a football power. - what you showed pretty well goes right along with that.
Then again I think people would think along the lines If he could get us started back , bring us back to some kind of respectibilty we would be happy with that. Just so many so frustrated at pretty much being the laughing stock of America in this present football program. – - just a least have some respect - -right now others look at when we come on their schedule and just laugh.
4 , 5 , 6 wins I think if you were to ask and IF people were perfectly honest could settle for that , some bowl games mixed in people could handle that. At least be able to look for to going out on a fall Saturday afternoon and be able to actually enjoy going to the game and watch a well contested game and be able to watch the guys compete I think that would be nice
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BShark said:
I think another important aspect is getting Bowen out as well. Beaty is clueless but it’s long past time for Bowen to be out.
@Wigs2 Get the right coach and money going into the program and you can play above your historical station. KSU did that for awhile, Clemson is doing it now*. KU did it with Mangino. The money aspect is really important. The next hire needs to be good to put butts in seats. Football money is huge.
*Not saying KU can get to Clemson’s level at all. KU clearly has a lower floor and ceiling.
sorry man but I have to totally disagree with you on Clint’s side of the ball. The defense is much better. Yesterday is a perfect example.
Other then two big plays yesterday the defense did more then hold there own. - -ONE of those two our DB was in perfect position , the only problem was all in height. - -One was 6’6 Hasan was a good 6-7 inches shorter just out jumped him plain truth. Great goal line defense. - -Leads the Nation in opposition true nothing yesterday but still . The defense kept it respectable - -only outscored 7-3 in the 2nd half yesterday.
If it wasn’t for the defense - you look other then the points they did have - they didn’t have even any other possibilities - excluding the goal line stand. - now you look at our possibilities?
Robinson drops a wide open TD pass - that’s 7 - - - Deep in ISU territory Robinson stripped - -7 or 3 at the very least. - - - I think twice we were inside the ten couldn’t score. Still stimid as to why when you have the ball at like the three been running well and all of a sudden you throw THREE straight passes don’t even try to run it once - -that’s Beaty play calling. - -No not at all on the defense - -They have shown a lot of improvement , still having to be on the field way to long , because of our inept Offense
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@Wigs2 it’s not just about a coaching change. It is about a culture change. This program needs a reboot.
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@Wigs2 Beatty had four seasons. It’s his baby. He ran the show, and chose the wrong path. He didn’t get the athletes here for the system he chose to run.
The key is the right coach. I do think success can be achieved here. It’s been proven. It seems wildly pessimistic to think it can’t when there is clear evidence that it can. Further, “success” is relative. I’m suggesting we can be what Iowa St. has been. Or even KSU or OSU. Again, we’ve proven before that we can be that good.
I’ve said this before, and said this before Keegan did a full column on it, one path to respectability is to run the flexbone like GT, or Army, etc. It will not win you a national title, it won’t likely get you to some respectable bowl game, but you’ll win. And you’ll get to (less respectable) bowl games. That is what I think Beatty should have done. Beatty tried to run a system offensively that he was sorely undermanned to operate successfully. It’s his fault.
But with a new coach coming in, and hopefully better recruiting, there may be better paths than the flexbone. But I can assure you this, if we can’t recruit much better, running the flexbone is really the only option to increase success.
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Shortening the game is HUGE when you are at a talent disadvantage. A run heavy scheme also greatly benefits the defense.
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Woodrow said:
@Wigs2 it’s not just about a coaching change. It is about a culture change. This program needs a reboot.
Absolutely agree with you. A good deal of the KU fan base seems to be of the opinion that because it has an elite basketball program a mediocre to average football program is all we can expect. Yes, at this time the floor is pretty low but he ceiling is the same as any other P5 school. I also understand that a much longer and steeper set of stairs is needed but if it had started building slowly a few years ago the program would be much closer to the ceiling than to the floor. KU needs to find a superior coach and pay him accordingly and move on. I seem to recall reading that in recent years KU has paid more to (former) coaches for not coaching than coaches for actual coaching; this trend needs to stop and the culture needs to change.
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@BShark Exactly. The longer the game, the more likely the better team wins. Further, the flexbone is a preparation nightmare not just because of the run focus, but the nature of how the run plays develop (significant misdirection and different angles of attack) and play action passing. Much different than the more conventional run focus by a team like KSU.
@JayHawkFanToo It appears we might have been better off paying the coaches this season to NOT coach as well …
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Soo has anyone heard anymore about Beaty? - - they suppose to have a conference at 12:00 but haven’t seen anything officially to announce anything
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@jayballer73 just a release today, and a presser once the new coach is hired. At least that’s last I knew
