New 2019 Recruiting
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Where’s Q gonna go juco ?!?
The kid’s hardly ready for NCAA let alone the NBA. I hope that delusion has left his skull, but you never know.
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He certainly needs an off-season with hudy and skill development for this level. Looks lost on how to contribute.
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they were talking last night about his body chemistry - -might have some kind of difference of opinion or a situation going on here , might be he thought this was going to be a piece of cake and thinks he should STILL be getting major minute. - -what’s happening is that he is getting more bench time. - -some unsettled issues possibly
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I think Grimes had to get to this low in order for Self to pick him back up. Whatever frustrations he had last night I’m sure are self inflicted from not doing what he knows he’s capable of. I have a hard time believing its something else. He just looks like he’s having a hard time under pressure and living up to expectations from himself, his coaches, his family and friends. We forget these kids are young, Q is only 18. I have been hard on him but its because I know he’s capable of more. I was hard on Vick last season and Selden the season before that for the same reasons.
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@jayballer73 I thing it would depend on whether Stanley is afraid of competition or not. If he does not believe he can come in and beat someone out, he needs to stay away. Hurt is the one I want, especially if DLawson leaves. We will be in a world of hurt in the paint. No pun intended.
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@BShark So he’s saying this is how to budget buying recruits?
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FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
I think we are in a better position with Stanley then a lot of people think - -It really has come down to KU/Oregon. - -Read an article on it yesterday - -at the moment can’t remember where it was at - BUT ya UCLA was major in it BEFORE the Alford thing now – not so much.
The one thing that is concerning though is he said that KU said he would step in right after Grimes - - well if Grimes comes back - -that takes care of that selling point. - -ROCK CHALK ALL THE TIME BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
Thanks, good news. Been a big fan of this one and seen him play a few times.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
If he ended up in Lawrence that would be a game changer. I think he’d be really exciting as a 4 under Self.
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Has he listed his finalists? - -do we know if he has taken any visits ? - who is the finalists? - I thought he was thinking about just working on possibly going to the NBA ? – would for sure be a nice get. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@FarmerJayhawk I saw where Self and Norm were going to see him tonight.
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heard and saw where we picked up a CB for Hurt today - – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn’t offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Todd is reaaaaally good.
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BShark said:
Todd is reaaaaally good.
ya from everything I have read/heard - -gonna be a dog fight - go figure UK recruiting him now
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jayballer73 said:
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn’t offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn’t offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
looking at those options I’ve got to say - - -I just don’t see much of any way of the 1st three. - - Dedric will NOT be back period - - - Doke gains nothing from coming back mainly because him improving his draft status enough for the NBA is highly unlikely on top of the fact of risking of yet ANOTHER injury where it might risk any chance of the NBA period. - the only reason for him to come back would be to just get his degree - -plain and simple his chances in the NBA are - -NOT very good - -he NBA game is old school pretty much non exsistent he has NO shot unless he flushes , he is not the modern NBA 5. - - Silvio - - na - -he won’t be back - - thanks - NCAA wasted his entire season - -I think he will end up with the train of Thought - - ( I’M Out and I wouldn’t blame him one bit- - -pretty much waste of time for him - -and then when they finally rule good chance he is found ineligible anyways.
That more then likely hopefully leaves us with Hurt - -probably the best chance - -probably the only chance of this group. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
If plan A hits, KU should be pretty good next year. If I could pick I’d take Silvio and Hurt.
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Just saw that the McD’s All American game is coming up. How long has it been since KU has not had a future player in this game? I feel like we have at least one commit every single year.
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Did I read where one of the Blue Valley schools Coach was coaching in that game?? Anyone else see that ?
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Woodrow said:
Did I read where one of the Blue Valley schools Coach was coaching in that game?? Anyone else see that ?
Correct.
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Definitely feels odd. We still have a good chance with two prospects in the game. You will not be disappointed by the two commits that didnt make the game, they are both gamers
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It is a little strange not to have a jayhawk in the game, but I think KU is on the radar for a couple guys in it. Recruiting doesn’t look so hot right now for us, 2 guys signed and the highest rated is at 95th in the country. Robinson-Earl, I think will be a big loss if Dedric leaves. We do have some good young guys in Dotson, Grimes, David and Ochai that are probably big factors for at least next years team. But with the chance of losing both Doke and Dedric fairly high IMO, I’d like to see us sign a big guy or 2. I think the FBI probe is hurting us in that regard, recruits maybe waiting to see if we get a post season ban. Which is highly unlikely looking at how Hernandez didn’t cause Miami any ban or to vacate wins tho he more than likely got paid to play last year. Arizona doesn’t seem to be slowing down after the supposed tape of Miller talking about giving 100k to Ayton. Maybe the tape doesn’t exist but it still baffles me than no Nike team is being looked at tho several including Ok State, Arizona and Duke were in reports.
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I do think Dedric comes back. People here want to talk how he has nothing to gain by returning, but I don’t think much to lose either and probably actually could boost his stock into a late 2nd round pick if he gets his 3 point shot to around 35%.
Right now, I don’t see him as anything other than a Summer League invite before headed overseas. If he stays, and improves his outside shot, he could be a late 2nd rounder.
The 2 bigs I don’t see playing in a KU uniform next year are Doke and Silvio. Doke has injury issues and needs to leave while he can salvage a pro career. I also just don’t think Silvio ever gets cleared. That $60,000 payment should be what keeps him from playing. KU shouldn’t receive any punishment from that because it didn’t involve KU. The NCAA is not a court of law and doesn’t need the same level of evidence to rule someone ineligible. Gassnola’s testimony is enough for the NCAA.
I would love Silvio to play this year, I just don’t see it happening.
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Dedric is leaving, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see KJ leave too as a grad transfer. Dedric isn’t going to improve his draft position much. Even if he gets significantly better next season, the 2020 draft is MUCH stronger than the 2019 draft, which is about as good as the year Anthony Bennett went #1. I don’t really think Dedric is a NBA level player but he is the kind of guy that can make millions overseas. Silvio will be back if he’s cleared this year. The $60k payment was never made and the NCAA and KU have agreed that it’s not relevant to his case.
Doke is the hardest one to read. He was great when healthy, but hasn’t stayed as such. His injuries have been kind of flukey and he’s really young (doesn’t turn 20 until September). As of today I think he leaves but if KU doesn’t land anyone significant in the spring I can see Doke and the staff making arrangements for him to come back for another season.
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A couple mocks below. In one, Dedric late 2nd. In the other, Dedric nowhere to be found.
The guy is averaging a double-double yet is an after-thought. The obvious reasons.
The key with many folks seems to be whether there is a reasonable chance to improve one’s draft stock by coming back. If not, then get out an make money. Barring other things that might influence.
That might favor SDS playing next season if the penalty doesn’t eat into next season.
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@HighEliteMajor For me, it is that Dedric can only marginally improve his draft stock next season. Apparently, anything less than a 30 and 20 average isn’t going to bump him into the draft. This is his 4th year in college, so likely he will be graduating in the Spring. So even coming back to get his degree isn’t much of an argument at this point.
It’s time for him to go make money. And I’d bet he still sneaks into the 2nd round. He’s shooting the ball better here in the 2nd half.
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@Kcmatt7 I would tend to agree. The things holding him back are largely things he can’t control or improve. Of course, if he does come out and show a significant expansion in his range and %, as mentioned above, that is a different thing. He had a sweet fall away last game, too. He needs to mimic Dirk Nowitzki. Maybe a poor man’s Dirk. This is a close call. But can he work on those issues making money? In a pro setting? That’s why I think it favors him leaving.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Dedric is leaving, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see KJ leave too as a grad transfer. Dedric isn’t going to improve his draft position much. Even if he gets significantly better next season, the 2020 draft is MUCH stronger than the 2019 draft, which is about as good as the year Anthony Bennett went #1. I don’t really think Dedric is a NBA level player but he is the kind of guy that can make millions overseas. Silvio will be back if he’s cleared this year. The $60k payment was never made and the NCAA and KU have agreed that it’s not relevant to his case.
Doke is the hardest one to read. He was great when healthy, but hasn’t stayed as such. His injuries have been kind of flukey and he’s really young (doesn’t turn 20 until September). As of today I think he leaves but if KU doesn’t land anyone significant in the spring I can see Doke and the staff making arrangements for him to come back for another season.
Thank you for the info. Good stuff.
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If Silvio or doke were playing he could show more of his range, sucks for all of us!
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So Mathew Hurt is visiting this weekend. This might be one of the most important visits Self has had in a long time. Withe the way things are going on the recruiting front he is about as big of a must get as it gets for Self and KU.
I anticipate the crowd being pretty good as they know how desperate this team is for a win. Hope we knock it out of the park with him.
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Not that KU was ever in it, but the Edwards visit isn’t even happening now.
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I wonder what changed his mind? I haven’t really read anything where the staff was out watching him since it is pretty much known he is going to FSU…
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Woodrow said:
I wonder what changed his mind? I haven’t really read anything where the staff was out watching him since it is pretty much known he is going to FSU…
Best case scenario is the staff knows Stanley is picking KU but that would fly in the face of everything regarding KU hoops right now.
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@BShark It sure does seem like this hinges on another players decision. Seems weird to make a change like this so close to a visit…
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Swoooooooosh
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You’re telling me the NCAA rule changes aren’t preventing Nike from still buying players?
Color me shocked.
Arizona with the #1 class, Louisville 3 and USC 4 ironically.
I don’t know if it was just always going to be a down recruiting year with so much roster uncertainty or if the FBI investigation legitimately scared players away. Or if Adidas is on the DL right now. Or Bill isn’t working with them anymore and being a straight shooter to close out his career here.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Or Bill isn’t working with them anymore and being a straight shooter to close out his career here.
I sure hope not.
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Well I read where we picked up another CB for Hurt yesterday putting us at 79% - -the rest at 7% - but ever since the Ayton debacle I’m always skeptical - -tell they actually commit.
If there could be some way we could manage to get Hurt and be able to lure Stanley - -then maybe be able to salvage this recruiting year. - -Just so much up in the air with who might/will return from the current roster.
Will Doke come back ? - - Grimes come Back ? - – KJ ? - - - Dedric is GONE I just don’t see any way he returns - - lots of unanswered questions at this point = =HUGE weekend = =hope the phog is rockin for Hurt - -hope we play solid in front of Hurt man
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@jayballer73 If the belief is that neither Doke nor Dedric are coming back…that would seem to work in our favor for getting Hurt…he slides right in there next to Big Dave.
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Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 If the belief is that neither Doke nor Dedric are coming back…that would seem to work in our favor for getting Hurt…he slides right in there next to Big Dave.
the thing is now – this ruling on Silvio couldn’t of come at a worse time for us. - -With us not knowing now whether we will be facing more penalties - post ban this next year or what ever might be the straw to push Hurt in another direction - -with us not knowing if we will be put on probation or not - -terrible timing with him coming in this weekend and hearing this news. - -and you can bet these other schools that in the recruiting with him a his finalists - -will be playing this to the hilt against us - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 You are right…other programs will be playing that up big time. This sucks.
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I have no idea what the NCAA will do to KU but I wouldn’t b surprised at all if we see a downtick in recruiting which will lead to obviously less success on the floor. Ultimately this bull shi*t might be enough to push Self out the door.
Not sure why any coach would want to put up,with this non sense when he doesn’t have too. Hell he could retire if he wanted .
Also , I understand a lot of this was brought on by himself, but still it might be running him ragged and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving it all behind.
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But then again he’s sticking up for his kids. Hurt is seeing all kinds of things
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Woodrow said:
I have no idea what the NCAA will do to KU but I wouldn’t b surprised at all if we see a downtick in recruiting which will lead to obviously less success on the floor. Ultimately this bull shi*t might be enough to push Self out the door.
Not sure why any coach would want to put up,with this non sense when he doesn’t have too. Hell he could retire if he wanted .
Also , I understand a lot of this was brought on by himself, but still it might be running him ragged and I wouldn’t blame him for leaving it all behind.
There were whisperings about something more sinister in regards to why JRE didn’t pick KU. If anyone would know about something coming, it would be JRE’s mom.
I hope everything just blows over. I think next year’s team could be really good.
If KU lands Hurt and/or Precious, that’s a sign Self is sticking around imo.
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Hurts getting his free visit in. He owes self for all the time he has recruited him. So for that it’s nice to see him following through. I have no doubts this is just a courtesy respect visit. Some may disagree but no elite kid is sniffing us with all this
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All 3 of the Rivals guys said Kansas leads and predicted they’ll get him.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
All 3 of the Rivals guys said Kansas leads and predicted they’ll get him.
I hope it happens and like I said I think it would be a very good sign for the future of the program.
