FBI...here we go
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After a while… this all starts to sound like the 9/11 and moon landing conspiracy stuff.
The basketball world can’t even accurately predict where star recruits will go after the recruits narrow it down to 2 or 3 schools.
This stuff starts hurting my brain so I focus on our season ahead.
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@drgnslayr It’s game Day! Who cares about HS basketball today? Not me!
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Or how about those Shockers! Edging out a home win against a D2 school!
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@drgnslayr I am soooo ready for the regular season to begin - -soo dam boring , finally getting here - - recruiting for next year is bumming me out - - this dam FBI thing is bumming me out - - - -Duke – Kentucky - - bumming me out - - and Jay wright? - - Villanova? - -at this point can just plain kiss my a - - - - - SOOOO with that being said – let me ask you this -Are you READY - -for some KU BASKETBALL? - - you know what I’m trying to say? - I’m trying to go kina like the theme for like they - -Are you ready for some football - -A Sunday Night football lol - - ya like that.
So let’s do this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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drgnslayr said:
Or how about those Shockers! Edging out a home win against a D2 school!
They are in for a world of hurt. – long season , old Marsha won’t be looking so good now. - -their little run is about to come crashing down - -lmao - -
Now like Larry the Cable Guy says - - I don’t care who you are that right there is some funny shit - -I don’t care who you are lmao – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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This is most assuredly a rebuilding year for GREGGGGGGGGGGG. They had a million kids leave after last year. They need better class spacing. But a couple of their FR will be good in time. Wouldn’t shock me if next year they are fighting for an NCAAT bid.
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If the Board of Regents has done its due diligence, they have already done an evaluation of the program and have had a bean counter study the pros, cons and cost of keeping versus firing Miller. In the end, it comes down to money.
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@JayHawkFanToo I would not be so sure that this will come down to money. Integrity continues to mean something, though to a lesser extent than some may prefer. If he’s a liar and a cheat, I think that combo will be lethal to his career at AZ. I tend to think you can get by just being a cheat, but if you lie about it, that’s a huge consideration.
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Hey man…we got some basketball coming up. In the nearly famous words of Juan Ibarra…" Mr. Comer, are you eggg-cited?"
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1059508334183804930
Guy knows where all the bodies are buried. Exhibit A of the underlings of College Basketball
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Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, Corey Joseph, Tristian Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Damion James, DJ Augustine, etc.
Nike tried to gift the man a NC.
At least a dozen Top 50 recruits sent his way between 2006-2010. Add in a few guys ranked right at 100 who panned out, and Rick Barnes still didn’t get a single of those absolutely stacked teams to a FF. TJ Ford carried him to his one and only. No wonder Nike soured on him and cut him off in 2013. Ten solid years of players gift wrapped and nothing to show for it.
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@Kcmatt7 Nailed it. Looks like Shaka could crash and burn in similar fashion.
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I agree. Texas has had as many or more NBA caliber players than KU during Barnes tenure and nothing much to show for it. Even Smart has continued to get top players and has done even worse; I bet UT fans are wishing Barnes never left.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, Corey Joseph, Tristian Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Damion James, DJ Augustine, etc.
Nike tried to gift the man a NC.
At least a dozen Top 50 recruits sent his way between 2006-2010. Add in a few guys ranked right at 100 who panned out, and Rick Barnes still didn’t get a single of those absolutely stacked teams to a FF. TJ Ford carried him to his one and only. No wonder Nike soured on him and cut him off in 2013. Ten solid years of players gift wrapped and nothing to show for it.
Nike still pumping kids to them as we’ve talked about. Allen/Bamba the most recent outliers there
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@BeddieKU23 Yep. Texas is a big brand. It’s kind of remarkable they haven’t been more of a threat to KU for league titles.
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Texas has always been, is and always be a football school first and every other sport a distant second.
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My point is they have had players. If they had a better coach in that time frame maybe they take the league a few times…
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The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
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BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
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@BeddieKU23 Oh I’m sure we will see a speedy resolution. NOT.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
Unreal, butter. The nerve.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
Unreal, butter. The nerve.
lmao - - - -ahh come on buddy what’s popcorn without butter lol - -Full frig? – ahh sounds like it’s gonna be a really great night lol - -ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY
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And Myron Medcalf’s predictions regarding KU:
Kansas will reach the Final Four, Bill Self will take an NBA job after the season: Last summer, Self told ESPN.com he doesn’t want to coach past the age of 60. He’ll turn 56 in December. And he made that statement before he was connected to the ongoing FBI corruption investigation that has rocked the sport. He has the potential to win another national title with a unique squad that features Dedric Lawson, a 6-9 forward as a point forward and a top-10 recruiting class. He’ll take that squad to the last stage of the NCAA tournament for the second consecutive season. And then, Self will hear from an NBA team that will make him an offer he can’t refuse. At Big 12 media day, he said he won’t run from the FBI drama. He can’t. But he can end his NCAA career, head to the NBA and leave some of the drama behind.
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Medcalf is frequently wrong and a total chucklehead, so there is that.
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I’ve been waiting for the day that Bill Self left for an NBA job. But after he turned down the Cavs job a couple of seasons ago, I am pretty sure that he ends his career at KU. The worst of it is basically over as far as the FBI thing goes. I bet Bill Self is in Lawrence, KS next season.
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Not sure what NBA team is going to make Bill a big offer at this point but I could be wrong obviously.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’ve been waiting for the day that Bill Self left for an NBA job. But after he turned down the Cavs job a couple of seasons ago, I am pretty sure that he ends his career at KU. The worst of it is basically over as far as the FBI thing goes. I bet Bill Self is in Lawrence, KS next season.
i think he will be back in Lawrence ks to
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Lots of proposed payment info. I must’ve missed the confirmed payment info. I wonder who all will end up ensnared in this mess.
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dylans said:
Lots of proposed payment info. I must’ve missed the confirmed payment info. I wonder who all will end up ensnared in this mess.
Everybody yet nobody.
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 me too. - - he has turned down NBA opportunities before.- -If he were to EVE leave for the NBA like I’ve mentioned before -this is the team we should be worried about and that’s the San Antonio Spurs - -with the people he knows , when Pops retires. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would offer that Self has not had this sort of NCAA scrutiny before. Many coaches bolt under such an environment. My prior view of Self’s character would have told me that he would not abandon ship during rough waters. Now, I’m just not so sure. That said, Medcalf is about worthless and his opinion is of course just chatter. But the topic he raised is one that confronts many coaches with the NCAA breathing down one’s neck – why deal with it when there are other opportunities.
But look, Self said KU never provided any inducements and said he didn’t know of any third party inducements, so we have nothing to worry about, right? I mean, Self said clearly it’s all fiction.
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I believe Self likes the USA basketball gig, I doubt he wants to give it up after just getting it. Self was just made a member of the NCAA ethics committee, it’s not just KU fans who thought he was above reproach. The trial calls everything into question, but I haven’t seen any reason to crucify the man yet. Nothing but circumstantial evidence and that evidence points to other programs as being dirty and making it impossible for KU to recruit (Zion for example) as much or more than to KU. Or are all the programs in the dark and the Shoecos are messing around behind everyone’s backs?
Bill telling an adidas guy that offers to recruit for him ok. The adidas guy didn’t say I’m going to recruit illegally for you. He said I’m going to send players your way, not I’m going to pay for players. I assume there are legal ways outsiders can recruit for you.
I’m uneasy about this mess, but unless there is something concrete that says oherwise, Bill is my guy.
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I’m still not sure where the offer comes from. I also think he’d be a bad fit in the NBA but that’s another discussion.
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@dylans One minor point – folks go to prison based on circumstantial evidence. You don’t need blood tests, or an eye witness. And that’s in a criminal matter, not our assessment of whether some likely occurred or not. But I get your point. And I respect everyone that says “Bill is my guy.” That’s loyalty, which is an incredible quality, and the “evidence” is not completely clear.
The question is what does one need here to reach a conclusion. My conclusion is murky because of Self’s unequivocal statement. It’s now black and white because of what Self said. There is no grey. Either he’s a liar and a cheat, or he’s a man of incredible integrity in a world of slime. His statement (unfortunately if untrue) paints him into a corner. If his statement is true, the truth will prevail.
He could have said - “KU has provided no inducements to players. As for third parties, I have no direct knowledge of any of anything like that. I do know what we’ve heard from the trial. It is disappointing. And of course, in this business, you hear whispers. My job and duty is to make sure we do not engage in that conduct as University. When I have learned that a player’s eligibility may be compromised, we have worked to resolve the issue, and at times, we don’t play that individual. You saw that last season. Adidas is a private company, of course, and makes their own decisions in the best interests of their company. My commitment is that Kansas will not engage in any of that.”
I’m not saying that’s a perfect draft, but I’m quite sure this type of suggestion was made by an attorney involved in this – if not, they should seek other counsel.
And it kind of says the same thing. Just with a bit more wiggle room maybe. Again, a first draft that should be modified I’m sure.
I had mentioned a while back that there is real scenario where Self does not return as the coach. That is significantly in play.
This is not a criminal case where the standard of proof is very high. So I’m not giving Self the benefit of the doubt completely, because of what we know so far, but his firm statement certainly has to be considered. Since he is a man we have all respected, that statement has significant weight with me.
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@HighEliteMajor I guess the difference is you have been busting Self’s balls since he couldn’t win a second national championship and I have been supporting him as a great coach/ambassador. It’s just the camps we are in; I’m willing to give him the benefit of doubt while it seems you’re not.
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Frankly, other than the KT phone conversation in which he never mentioned money and can be interpreted in any of 50 different ways, there is really nothing that indicate KU paid or conspired to pay anyone. Evidence presented at the trail indicate that KU was not aware of payment made to the Prestons who actively tried to keep KU in the dark…and Preston never played an official game for KU.
Coach Self contact with Gassnola can be explained very easily since he was a consultant for Adidas and as such in a position to influence players via his AAU contacts and KU does have a contract with Adidas which I am sure includes a tacit expectation by KU that Adidas will help with recruiting.
More importantly, If Preston was worth at least $90K, is there any doubt that Zion Williamson was worth considerable more, particularly when the evidence presented during the FBI trial indicates his family was asking for more money, housing and jobs? I have seen many reports on the Internet (I have not personally checked them) that Williamson’s mother had declared bankruptcy not that long ago and now lives in am $800K home. Did Zion and family suddenly had a change of heart and decided they would forego all the money and Zion would play for Duke with no strings attached? Where are the questions for Duke and Coach K? Why is the MSM not all over this? How about Sean Miller? There was a lot more testimony directly involving him and yet the two schools bearing the brunt of the MSM are KU and Louisville, the two Adidas flagship schools. How about Under Armour and the $60K allegedly paid to Silvio’s guardian to go to Maryland?
I am not big on conspiracies but it smells like a preemptive strike by Nike against the competition and using the FBI as its pawn.
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@BShark Do they still want to play us?
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Again I think the Guilty ruling makes us look better and as @JayHawkFanToo said you can interpreted in several different ways. He didn’t say we will give him all that he is asking for, we all know recruiting is game and you have to say whatever you can to keep on the scent. I’ll prob be dead before Dook is looked into for the top 3 players they got, one in which we know wanted to get paid. Question for everyone, We known Self has held out guys and currently is SDS, If we had Zion and all of this came out would he withhold him too? Coach K didn’t hold out Carter last season tho his name was out in several reports and hasn’t held out anyone that I can remember. He thinks/knows hes Untouchable at this point IMO.
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@dylans I can assure you that you are in much greater proximity to Self’s “balls” than I have ever been. Hard to move from your vision to see clearly. But I guess you are just a true fan. Superior in all regards. A member of the “I’m more of a fan than you are crowd” then. Always an entertaining, yet shallow, reply.
@JayHawkFanToo I am more concerned about what we don’t know. Other info. Squealers that are now convicted. What we do know can be lawyered, of course, as you have done. And I think we overlook the fact that if Adidas reps and Self were working together, the communication with players’ parents/guardians would necessarily include the concept that Self doesn’t know – meaning the Adidas reps would posture that way. But that is speculation.
I may be more into conspiracy theories when money is involved. Or certain “causes.” I think another conspiracy
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if you followed the trial, there was testimony that KU personnel was asking Billy increasingly more questions about his recruitment and his mom kept texting him telling him what to say; she went as far as suggesting to Gassnola to say they were romantically involved so the payments would not be deemed illegal, or so she thought. Based on the information available to date, there is nothing that leads me to believe KU knew of the payments and as soon as it suspected it, reported it to the NCAA and sat Billy who never played a game.
If Adidas was paying players on behalf of KU, Ayton, Langford and Williamson would have surely landed at KU and not Arizona and Duke…at least one of them. Remember that up until he picked Arizona, Ayton was considered 100% for KU and until the very end so was Romeo Langford
I believe Coach Self’s statement was pretty straight forward and probably a lot more assertive than he was advised it needed to be by his and KU’s lawyers. Until I see evidence…any evidence to the contrary, I have to take Coach Self’s word. The evidence to date seems to indicate he runs a clean program.
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@JayHawkFanToo Just thoughts here – if Self and the main recruiter knew of the payments. Or if they were aware vaguely that Adidas helped. All of that could have occurred. Would the compliance office know if Self hid his knowledge (vague or otherwise) from them? It would make great sense to appear ignorant on all fronts. Of course, one can appear ignorant because they really are ignorant. I personally like your scenario the best.
If there were payments to players you mentioned, of course, Adidas (we) could have been outbid. Which goes to some of your prior points.
Really, either we did it and other are too; or we didn’t.
That goes to something I said before. If we did it, and other did, and they target us with sanctions, we should blow the whole thing up. Expose everything we know. Burn it down. Because there is no freaking way that Williamson was not paid to go to Duke given the KT stuff. No way.
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If Adidas was willing to play $90K for Preston who was ranked near the bottom of the top 20, I doubt it would have been outbid on much higher ranked players like Williamson, Ayton and Langford. When you lose all 3 it would appear to indicate that KU is not willing to pay or have someone pay on its behalf for players.
I doubt if we will ever know all that goes on behind the scenes. Maybe a follow up movie to Blue Chips is needed.
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@JayHawkFanToo That is just wildly speculative. You are assuming we would not have been out bid. It would seem, if this narrative is correct, we (Adidas) might have been outbid a lot. Or that a recruit might take say $90,000 to come to KU but might want $120,000 to go to somewhere less appealing. For Williamson, maybe his price for Duke was lower. All speculative, but I sure wouldn’t assume we couldn’t be out bid.
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Indiana is an Adidas school.
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If Adidas was willing to pay $90K for Preston, I am sure it would have paid at least 2 or 3 times as much for Williamson or Ayton, who allegedly went to Arizona for $100K. Adidas has less schools to feed than Nike and obviously a smaller budget but, given the chance, I would think they would not pass on such high profile prospect unless there is push back from the program. Hard to tell what the going price for a top prospect is anymore.
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@JayHawkFanToo Ok, I understand your thought. But maybe Ayton liked warm weather and $100,000 vs. cold weather and $150,000. Who knows?
@BShark And …?
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I was talking to FanToo. He referenced missing players, but Langford went to a school with the same shoe affiliation as KU. The other two went to Nike schools of course.
