FBI...here we go
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think there is actually. I can’t think of a JUCO player that has had a huge impact for a good team recently. Self hasn’t went that route in a long time.
WE shall see – we shall see - - -not to smart to think – NEVER SAY NEVER LOL - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I remember a pretty good Juco player -not even from a really good program that just gave KU fits. - -Juco from Iowa State had some really big games against us - can’t remember his name but did quite well I think
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@jayballer73 Donovan Jackson maybe? He was okay.
Shakur Juiston ended up being a total stud for UNLV, but he is definitely an exception. When I look at even the top 10 JUCO prospects any given year, most end up doing next to nothing in D1. It’s a real crap shoot.
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@BShark No buddy it wasn’t him-- this guy was like I think if I remember right it was like 2-3-possibly 4 years ago - - like maybe a hght range around 6-6 - -6-5 maybe - could really stroke it from the outside when he was hot - could even play inside - just can’t remember
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jayballer73 said:
@BShark No buddy it wasn’t him-- this guy was like I think if I remember right it was like 2-3-possibly 4 years ago - - like maybe a hght range around 6-6 - -6-5 maybe - could really stroke it from the outside when he was hot - could even play inside - just can’t remember
Can’t think of a player that fits this description that was a JUCO. Ejim, Kane, Nader and Burton were all HS guys. Well, they all transferred to ISU, but they were HS to another D1 college to ISU. Except for Ejim, he was HS to ISU.
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 I’ll buy you a beer if KU signs a JUCO basketball player, not happening.
Not saying it WOULD HAPPEN I said COULD it happen. - -really not a whole hell lot of difference between a post grad transfer-OR A REALLY good Juco stud. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think there is actually. I can’t think of a JUCO player that has had a huge impact for a good team recently. Self hasn’t went that route in a long time.
I know UNLV isn’t considered a good team but Juiston is a really good Juco.
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Donovan Jackson?
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1JayhawkLifer said:
Donovan Jackson?
No dam can’t remember his name - -I hate that lol
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Dustin Hogue?
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Dam I looked it up - -and admit I THINK I was wrong. - 'I’m now thinking after looking at previous rosters. this name just stuck out
. It was Deonte Burton like 6’4 - -240 lbs. but he wasn’t a Juco - -played at Marquette then Iowa state. - -If I remember right - -he was just a very solid guy that could stroke it and even play tough at times inside. - he stroked us pretty good a couple of times I think - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Correct, he was not a JUCO.
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BShark said:
Correct, he was not a JUCO.
lol, ALSO correct he spanked us some times to lmao
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After a while… this all starts to sound like the 9/11 and moon landing conspiracy stuff.
The basketball world can’t even accurately predict where star recruits will go after the recruits narrow it down to 2 or 3 schools.
This stuff starts hurting my brain so I focus on our season ahead.
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@drgnslayr It’s game Day! Who cares about HS basketball today? Not me!
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Or how about those Shockers! Edging out a home win against a D2 school!
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@drgnslayr I am soooo ready for the regular season to begin - -soo dam boring , finally getting here - - recruiting for next year is bumming me out - - this dam FBI thing is bumming me out - - - -Duke – Kentucky - - bumming me out - - and Jay wright? - - Villanova? - -at this point can just plain kiss my a - - - - - SOOOO with that being said – let me ask you this -Are you READY - -for some KU BASKETBALL? - - you know what I’m trying to say? - I’m trying to go kina like the theme for like they - -Are you ready for some football - -A Sunday Night football lol - - ya like that.
So let’s do this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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drgnslayr said:
Or how about those Shockers! Edging out a home win against a D2 school!
They are in for a world of hurt. – long season , old Marsha won’t be looking so good now. - -their little run is about to come crashing down - -lmao - -
Now like Larry the Cable Guy says - - I don’t care who you are that right there is some funny shit - -I don’t care who you are lmao – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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This is most assuredly a rebuilding year for GREGGGGGGGGGGG. They had a million kids leave after last year. They need better class spacing. But a couple of their FR will be good in time. Wouldn’t shock me if next year they are fighting for an NCAAT bid.
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If the Board of Regents has done its due diligence, they have already done an evaluation of the program and have had a bean counter study the pros, cons and cost of keeping versus firing Miller. In the end, it comes down to money.
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@JayHawkFanToo I would not be so sure that this will come down to money. Integrity continues to mean something, though to a lesser extent than some may prefer. If he’s a liar and a cheat, I think that combo will be lethal to his career at AZ. I tend to think you can get by just being a cheat, but if you lie about it, that’s a huge consideration.
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Hey man…we got some basketball coming up. In the nearly famous words of Juan Ibarra…" Mr. Comer, are you eggg-cited?"
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1059508334183804930
Guy knows where all the bodies are buried. Exhibit A of the underlings of College Basketball
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Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, Corey Joseph, Tristian Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Damion James, DJ Augustine, etc.
Nike tried to gift the man a NC.
At least a dozen Top 50 recruits sent his way between 2006-2010. Add in a few guys ranked right at 100 who panned out, and Rick Barnes still didn’t get a single of those absolutely stacked teams to a FF. TJ Ford carried him to his one and only. No wonder Nike soured on him and cut him off in 2013. Ten solid years of players gift wrapped and nothing to show for it.
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@Kcmatt7 Nailed it. Looks like Shaka could crash and burn in similar fashion.
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I agree. Texas has had as many or more NBA caliber players than KU during Barnes tenure and nothing much to show for it. Even Smart has continued to get top players and has done even worse; I bet UT fans are wishing Barnes never left.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Jordan Hamilton, Avery Bradley, Corey Joseph, Tristian Thompson, LaMarcus Aldridge, Damion James, DJ Augustine, etc.
Nike tried to gift the man a NC.
At least a dozen Top 50 recruits sent his way between 2006-2010. Add in a few guys ranked right at 100 who panned out, and Rick Barnes still didn’t get a single of those absolutely stacked teams to a FF. TJ Ford carried him to his one and only. No wonder Nike soured on him and cut him off in 2013. Ten solid years of players gift wrapped and nothing to show for it.
Nike still pumping kids to them as we’ve talked about. Allen/Bamba the most recent outliers there
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@BeddieKU23 Yep. Texas is a big brand. It’s kind of remarkable they haven’t been more of a threat to KU for league titles.
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Texas has always been, is and always be a football school first and every other sport a distant second.
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My point is they have had players. If they had a better coach in that time frame maybe they take the league a few times…
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The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
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BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
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@BeddieKU23 Oh I’m sure we will see a speedy resolution. NOT.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
Unreal, butter. The nerve.
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The FBI gave the NCAA permission to start investigating schools tied to the FBI trial. Resolution for Silvio on the horizon? Penalties for KU?
Hold my beer, check back in April
Hell I’ll hold your beer lol. - -I can’t guarantee that you won’t get it back empty lol -you got anymore. lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Fridge is full, you want some popcorn as well?
lol— - -why yes thanks - -I would prefer buttered please - you got any? lol
Unreal, butter. The nerve.
lmao - - - -ahh come on buddy what’s popcorn without butter lol - -Full frig? – ahh sounds like it’s gonna be a really great night lol - -ROCK CHALKALL DAY LONG BABY
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And Myron Medcalf’s predictions regarding KU:
Kansas will reach the Final Four, Bill Self will take an NBA job after the season: Last summer, Self told ESPN.com he doesn’t want to coach past the age of 60. He’ll turn 56 in December. And he made that statement before he was connected to the ongoing FBI corruption investigation that has rocked the sport. He has the potential to win another national title with a unique squad that features Dedric Lawson, a 6-9 forward as a point forward and a top-10 recruiting class. He’ll take that squad to the last stage of the NCAA tournament for the second consecutive season. And then, Self will hear from an NBA team that will make him an offer he can’t refuse. At Big 12 media day, he said he won’t run from the FBI drama. He can’t. But he can end his NCAA career, head to the NBA and leave some of the drama behind.
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Medcalf is frequently wrong and a total chucklehead, so there is that.
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I’ve been waiting for the day that Bill Self left for an NBA job. But after he turned down the Cavs job a couple of seasons ago, I am pretty sure that he ends his career at KU. The worst of it is basically over as far as the FBI thing goes. I bet Bill Self is in Lawrence, KS next season.
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Not sure what NBA team is going to make Bill a big offer at this point but I could be wrong obviously.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’ve been waiting for the day that Bill Self left for an NBA job. But after he turned down the Cavs job a couple of seasons ago, I am pretty sure that he ends his career at KU. The worst of it is basically over as far as the FBI thing goes. I bet Bill Self is in Lawrence, KS next season.
i think he will be back in Lawrence ks to
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Lots of proposed payment info. I must’ve missed the confirmed payment info. I wonder who all will end up ensnared in this mess.
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dylans said:
Lots of proposed payment info. I must’ve missed the confirmed payment info. I wonder who all will end up ensnared in this mess.
Everybody yet nobody.
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 me too. - - he has turned down NBA opportunities before.- -If he were to EVE leave for the NBA like I’ve mentioned before -this is the team we should be worried about and that’s the San Antonio Spurs - -with the people he knows , when Pops retires. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would offer that Self has not had this sort of NCAA scrutiny before. Many coaches bolt under such an environment. My prior view of Self’s character would have told me that he would not abandon ship during rough waters. Now, I’m just not so sure. That said, Medcalf is about worthless and his opinion is of course just chatter. But the topic he raised is one that confronts many coaches with the NCAA breathing down one’s neck – why deal with it when there are other opportunities.
But look, Self said KU never provided any inducements and said he didn’t know of any third party inducements, so we have nothing to worry about, right? I mean, Self said clearly it’s all fiction.
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I believe Self likes the USA basketball gig, I doubt he wants to give it up after just getting it. Self was just made a member of the NCAA ethics committee, it’s not just KU fans who thought he was above reproach. The trial calls everything into question, but I haven’t seen any reason to crucify the man yet. Nothing but circumstantial evidence and that evidence points to other programs as being dirty and making it impossible for KU to recruit (Zion for example) as much or more than to KU. Or are all the programs in the dark and the Shoecos are messing around behind everyone’s backs?
Bill telling an adidas guy that offers to recruit for him ok. The adidas guy didn’t say I’m going to recruit illegally for you. He said I’m going to send players your way, not I’m going to pay for players. I assume there are legal ways outsiders can recruit for you.
I’m uneasy about this mess, but unless there is something concrete that says oherwise, Bill is my guy.
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I’m still not sure where the offer comes from. I also think he’d be a bad fit in the NBA but that’s another discussion.
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@dylans One minor point – folks go to prison based on circumstantial evidence. You don’t need blood tests, or an eye witness. And that’s in a criminal matter, not our assessment of whether some likely occurred or not. But I get your point. And I respect everyone that says “Bill is my guy.” That’s loyalty, which is an incredible quality, and the “evidence” is not completely clear.
The question is what does one need here to reach a conclusion. My conclusion is murky because of Self’s unequivocal statement. It’s now black and white because of what Self said. There is no grey. Either he’s a liar and a cheat, or he’s a man of incredible integrity in a world of slime. His statement (unfortunately if untrue) paints him into a corner. If his statement is true, the truth will prevail.
He could have said - “KU has provided no inducements to players. As for third parties, I have no direct knowledge of any of anything like that. I do know what we’ve heard from the trial. It is disappointing. And of course, in this business, you hear whispers. My job and duty is to make sure we do not engage in that conduct as University. When I have learned that a player’s eligibility may be compromised, we have worked to resolve the issue, and at times, we don’t play that individual. You saw that last season. Adidas is a private company, of course, and makes their own decisions in the best interests of their company. My commitment is that Kansas will not engage in any of that.”
I’m not saying that’s a perfect draft, but I’m quite sure this type of suggestion was made by an attorney involved in this – if not, they should seek other counsel.
And it kind of says the same thing. Just with a bit more wiggle room maybe. Again, a first draft that should be modified I’m sure.
I had mentioned a while back that there is real scenario where Self does not return as the coach. That is significantly in play.
This is not a criminal case where the standard of proof is very high. So I’m not giving Self the benefit of the doubt completely, because of what we know so far, but his firm statement certainly has to be considered. Since he is a man we have all respected, that statement has significant weight with me.
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@HighEliteMajor I guess the difference is you have been busting Self’s balls since he couldn’t win a second national championship and I have been supporting him as a great coach/ambassador. It’s just the camps we are in; I’m willing to give him the benefit of doubt while it seems you’re not.
