Seth Littrell - My new Number 1 Candidate



  • This has to be the guy if he finishes the season strong. I’ll be paying attention. Play Arkansas at 3 on Saturday.

    • Player at OU.
    • He was a Grad Assistant at KU under Mangino.
    • Coaching Experience in the B12 (Tech), B10 (Indiana) and ACC (UNC)
    • Successful Offensive Coordinator at UNC, going 11-3 in final season. Scoring 40 PPG.
    • Took over a North Texas team that was 1-11 the season before. They won 9 games last season and are 2-0 this season.

    This is the guy. He checks all the boxes.



  • @Kcmatt7 very interesting



  • @Kcmatt7 Seth Littrell has already said he has zero interest in the Kansas job. He may be a good up and comer, but he has zero desire to be here, to me to move on.



  • Kliff Kingsbury is his OC, Littrell is going to end up replacing Kingsbury at Tech if they falter again this season.



  • Texas Hawk 10 said:

    Kliff Kingsbury is his OC, Littrell is going to end up replacing Kingsbury at Tech if they falter again this season.

    Well, this is a much better job than KU so it makes sense.



  • Graham Harrell is Littrell’s OC, not Kingsbury, my bad on that one.



  • I think $omething could convince him if his “dream” job doesn’t end up coming available at the time he could be made a millionaire overnight.



  • @Kcmatt7 Tom Keegan did an article last week about potential replacements for Beaty. Seth Littrell was the one young guy who has already said no to the KU job. KU is a coaching graveyard and Littrell knows this. KU has been a springboard for 2 coaches in the last 50 years I believe. Most KU coaches never become head coach at an FBS school again, including Mangino.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 I agree. It’s going to be very hard to convince a up and coming “hot” name candidate to come to Kansas. It’s just not worth the risk.



  • @Kcmatt7 hey Matt do you know Troy Morrell? The ole butler co coach? I heard him mentioned the other day. He went to the same school as my boys, but much older. I know his kids. I always wondered why he never moved up. He had a gold mine there, w/crappy facilities and a crappy town. Those have changed. Just wondered.



  • I’ve been on the Littrell train for quite awhile. Love his pedigree and winning at UNT is not easy. Long can get guys to Lawrence we didn’t even consider 4 years ago. We have strong leadership and money. Those things can get about anyone.

    @Crinsonorblue22 Morrell won’t get considered for any real job. He’s done with coaching from what I’ve heard.



  • @FarmerJayhawk I’ve heard he’s interested, but my son says we wouldn’t hire a guy unless he’s been a d-1 coach. I also wanted John ontjes (hcc) women’s B.B. coach to get the ku B.B. coach. I swear his teams could beat Ku’s.



  • @Crimsonorblue22 From what I know about old teammates that went to Butler to play football, the boosters take pretty good care of the coaches and players…



  • @Kcmatt7 so what do you think of him for a D-1 position? Even a coordinator.



  • @Crimsonorblue22 I think he’d have to make a move to a small D1 first to be even a coordinator. But probably could be a position coach at a P5. And would be a fantastic add for that because I think he’d be able to recruit JUCO players as well as anyone. Would be invaluable at a place like KU.



  • I posted about Littrell and others back in July.

    Littrell was listed as my number one at that time. If he’s not interested, Neal Brown (Troy) and Jason Candle (Toledo) are probably the next in line.

    Troy is currently 1-1, getting routed by Boise State, but blowing out Florida A&M. Toledo is 1-0, having blown out VMI.

    Both squads have big games this weekend, with Troy on the road at Nebraska, while Toledo hosts Miami. Both of those games kick at 11, you may want to do a bit of scoreboard watching or channel surfing during the KU game to get a look at Brown and Candle with their squads in action against P5 opponents.



  • My only knock on Candle is that he took over a program already doing well.

    I do like Neal Brown as well.



  • @Crimsonorblue22

    I believe he retired from coaching 3 or 4 years ago. He was an amazingly successful coach and his teams were pretty dominant which was partly because they were loaded with Division I talent that did not qualify for various reasons and Butler was the popular destination. Many KU players including several that ended up in the NFL came from a Butler. Still… it was at the Junior Colege level and there is huge and I mean HUGE leap from retired JuCo coach to P5 coach and I cannot think of a single coach that successfully made the move. One that comes to mind is Terry Allen who was 75-26 at Northern Iowa (much higher level Missouri Valley conference, Division I, not JuCo), won the conference all but year one and see how he did at KU. Morrel would be a considerably higher leap.

    Having said that, I believe he might be an improvement over the current coach but he would need to work through the Division I ranks as an assistant or coordinator at major programs before he has any chance to a HC position. The optics of hiring him now would not be good. The headlines would be…KU gives up football, hires retired JuCo coach to lead the football program. It just will not happen.



  • @JayHawkFanToo I’d take Terry Allen right now.



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    @FarmerJayhawk I’ve heard he’s interested, but my son says we wouldn’t hire a guy unless he’s been a d-1 coach. I also wanted John ontjes (hcc) women’s B.B. coach to get the ku B.B. coach. I swear his teams could beat Ku’s.

    I think that’s the plan. I’d love to hire Miles or Bielema. But there are some G5 coaches who could be legit too



  • @FarmerJayhawk Bielema would be a terrible hire for Kansas. Bielema is why Jeff Long was fired from Arkansas in the first place. Aside from that, Bielema didn’t make Arkansas any better and the Hogs finished in last in the SEC west 3 out of his 5 years and only finished in the top half of the division once.

    Bielema didn’t build Wisconsin, he inherited that. What he took over at Arkansas is much closer to what he’d have to do at KU and he failed to make Arkansas better.

    On top of that, from a PR perspective (very important here because of the fundraising needed for the stadium), how do you justify hiring a coach at your new school that is the reason you were fired as an AD from your previous school?

    At the end of the day, Jeff Long was fired from Arkansas for the same reason Zenger was fired from KU. Long hired two football coaches that had to be fired, granted Petrino was not fired for non field issues but was still fired nonetheless, and wasn’t trusted to make a third hire.

    This is why I’m still not totally sold on Long as KU’s AD because there is something flawed in his ability to evaluate football coaches. He ignored character issues with Petrino and ignored that Bielema was not a cultural fit at Arkansas at all and that their boosters were never fully behind Bielema.

    Arkansas has been good to great at a lot of other sports under Long, but the bottom line is that Long was hired to fix the football program and his track record of football hires is not very impressive. That worries me about who he’ll hire at KU.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 Petrino didn’t have a gf when he was hired at Hogland. That happened later. Was there something in Petrino’s past that should’ve alerted Long about Petrino, or are you simply trying to convict him after the fact?



  • @KUSTEVE The way Petrino handled his departure from the Atlanta Falcons to take the Arkansas job was a huge red flag on Petrino’s character. He quit the Falcons before the season was up, didn’t notify his players he was leaving and just basically handled that situation as poorly as possible.

    The mistress situation is why he had to fired at Arkansas because he put the school in a position to be sued under Title IX and firing Petrino is what saved the school from that potential lawsuit.



  • Long made two good hires. Spin it however you want. But to hire a guy that put Arkansas in the top 5 was a great hire. The ending was unfortunate, but that was a hell of a hire.

    Stealing away a two time Big 10 Champion coach was also a hell of a hire.

    If he steals away another P5 coach that has won two big 10 championships to come coach at KU, I’ll be stoked.



  • @Kcmatt7 Good hires don’t get you fired. Bret Bielema didn’t do anything for Arkansas except lose and piss off donors. There’s no way to spin that as good hire.

    Jeff Long was fired at Arkansas because he made two bad football hires and wasn’t trusted to make third. Now why does that sound familiar?



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 Your view and opinion on this is valid. I just don’t agree with it. You hold the Petrino indiscretions against Long, while I don’t. You look at the after the fact results of Beilema, while I look at what I believe an ADs job is. Which is to get the best candidates to even consider the job. Bielema was certainly a Top Candidate, considering Wisconsin to Arkansas was a lateral move at best. Bielema didn’t perform. And Long does need to take ownership of that. But, I’m not going to absolutely crush a guy for making what seemed to be a slam dunk of a hire.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 The way he left the Falcons could be a red flag, but I don’t know all the circumstances. Maybe he left on bad terms with that crazy owner… maybe it was a sign of something else. But Long can’t be held responsible for Petrino playing hide the salami with the coed. He’s not a mind reader.



  • @Kcmatt7 At this point, I’m much more interested in the actual on field results of hires rather than whether they appear to be a good hire or not. Kansas football is in a position now where they need someone to actually deliver results on the field because we’re getting close to another round of realignment and the Big 12 is going to be the conference that’s in the most trouble when that happens.

    I thought Gill was a good hire at the time and still think he was screwed over and not given enough time here to establish his culture here. Say what you will about his time here, but KU is the only place he didn’t leave a program in better shape. Buffalo was where Kansas is now and ge won a conference title their in 4 years. He’s had Liberty in the FCS playoffs just about every year he’s been there so there is clearly something about his way that works when given the proper time.

    Weis was a bad hire from the get go. Weis sacrificed character in his recruiting and crippled the depth trying to win immediately to get one last good job.

    I wasn’t as high on the Beaty hire as I was the Gill hire, but nowhere as against it as I was the Weis hire. On the field, each hire has been progressively worse so it’ll be incredibly hard for anyone Long hires to be as bad as Beaty has been to this point.

    The guy I would personally love to see come here is Les Miles. Miles is a proven winner in the B12 at OSU and was frequently Nick Saban’s biggest challenge in the SEC. He may be 65 when he would potentially take over in December, but is a young 65 that could probably go another 10 years or so. I would also allow Miles to name a successor himself when he knows he’s a tear or two away from retiring.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 I agree that Gill wasn’t given enough time.

    And I wouldn’t be upset if we landed Miles.



  • And whoever we hire next needs to be given a 10 year deal, that basically handucuffs us to them.



  • @Kcmatt7 10 years is a long time at a place like Kansas and I don’t see that being an incentive to attract a quality coach. That’s the type of deal that would attract a Charlie Weis type coach.

    The next coach needs the standard 5 year deal with on field benchmarks being the method to earn an extension year.



  • Well I don’t know that we have a ridiculous buyout. But this would be our way of letting them know that they have all the time they need to get the job done.



  • @Kcmatt7 The buyout isn’t an issue to me. I’d have no problem if someone like Les Miles came here on a 5 year/$3 million per year deal and KU fully guaranteed it.

    If it was someone like Jason Candle at $3 million per year, I’d have a problem with that, but him at $2 million per year base salary plus incentives for on field performance that was fully guaranteed is something I wouldn’t have an issue with either. The buyout needs to be structured in a way the discourages the coach from leaving and forced the hiring school to pay that buyout.



  • 10 year contracts haven’t been kind to Notre Dame. Beaty will have been given long enough to see if there is any improvement by conference play. Kind of a Hue Jackson type situation.



  • i will say again I don’t believe Beaty will be fired during the season. I think Long will be scoping the landscape throughout this year and then AFTER the season- - - depending on how it goes he will make that decision , I just don’t think he will want to disrupt the team ANYMORE then what it already is.

    I still think what I would like to see if it comes to yet ANOTHER Coaching change , Ideally for me what I think maybe do under the perfect scenario for me would be - -Everyone talking Les Miles - -Les Miles - all thought I don’t think we have a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening - - -One I just don’t think he would want to take on such a huge task this late in his career and two his age.

    However IF we did manage to get Miles on board sign him to like a 4-5 yr contract and during that time have him tutoring Tony, let Tony be his understudy, learning the ropes Miles teaching as he goes - Let Tony get that feel/understanding. - -Then when Les retires , bring Tony on as the head Coach. - Obviously Tony’s ties in recruiting in the boot does and would still have huge advantages.- I just can’t see where it would hurt us any worse then where we are at right now

    I’ve had friends say well the new Coach will want to clean house - - bring in his guys. To that I say great , but if I were the new head Coach Tony would be THE ONE GUY that if I were the new head Coach that I would at least sit down with and talk to and see if we clicked and possibly retain him. His recruiting can and has produced big benefits - I just don’t think we can afford to lose people like this. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • Texas Hawk 10 said:

    @FarmerJayhawk Bielema would be a terrible hire for Kansas. Bielema is why Jeff Long was fired from Arkansas in the first place. Aside from that, Bielema didn’t make Arkansas any better and the Hogs finished in last in the SEC west 3 out of his 5 years and only finished in the top half of the division once.

    Bielema didn’t build Wisconsin, he inherited that. What he took over at Arkansas is much closer to what he’d have to do at KU and he failed to make Arkansas better.

    On top of that, from a PR perspective (very important here because of the fundraising needed for the stadium), how do you justify hiring a coach at your new school that is the reason you were fired as an AD from your previous school?

    At the end of the day, Jeff Long was fired from Arkansas for the same reason Zenger was fired from KU. Long hired two football coaches that had to be fired, granted Petrino was not fired for non field issues but was still fired nonetheless, and wasn’t trusted to make a third hire.

    This is why I’m still not totally sold on Long as KU’s AD because there is something flawed in his ability to evaluate football coaches. He ignored character issues with Petrino and ignored that Bielema was not a cultural fit at Arkansas at all and that their boosters were never fully behind Bielema.

    Arkansas has been good to great at a lot of other sports under Long, but the bottom line is that Long was hired to fix the football program and his track record of football hires is not very impressive. That worries me about who he’ll hire at KU.

    We’ve been over this but since you insist on relitigating it we can. Petrino took Arkansas to incredible heights. If you insist on hiring AD’s who will only hire coaches who will never have off the field issues, go be a fan of Liberty.

    Since, as you assert, Petrino left Arkansas in a smoldering crater, you ought to take that into account and discount at least the first year. He was more than respectable 3/4 years after that. It’s pretty inconsistent on your part to forgive one guy taking over a dumpster fire (Gill) and admonish another (Bielema). Gill was worse each year he was at KU, so what’s the difference? For all you know Gill would’ve been worse than Gill and canned anyway. If Gill would’ve had even remotely the success at KU that Bielema had at Arkansas he would have a statue here. Just admit you don’t have any real criteria other than getting to complain and move on with life.



  • Kcmatt7 said:

    And whoever we hire next needs to be given a 10 year deal, that basically handucuffs us to them.

    Ummm what the actual hell



  • @FarmerJayhawk It’s a bit of a hyperbole, but the next coach needs to know they have plenty of time to resurrect this thing fully. They aren’t coming here to ruin their legacy or derail their career. They will be given every resource possible to help them succeed. Because the truth is, the top mountain may be a 7 win season. We can’t have 10 win expectations. We can’t really put ultimatum seasons in here anymore. If they slip down to 3 wins after a 5 win season, are you going to call for their head? It is going to take 4 years to develop a culture change. It will take another year or two after that to see results. Along the way, we should see things that give us hope. But the truth is that we already jumped the gun with Gill and Weiss. Beaty being given only 4 years is also just not a good look. The next coach needs to come in here pressure free so he can recruit without fear of needing immediate results. Beaty and Weiss both took the shortcut JUCO route due to desperation. We can’t have that anymore. So maybe not a 10 year deal. But 7 is honestly not outrageous, imo.



  • @FarmerJayhawk I’m not apologizing for believing character is an important trait in a head coach. Bobby Petrino has little to no character and put Arkansas in a position to be sued under Title IX. Bobby Petrino didn’t have enough character to tell the Atlanta Falcons that he was taking the Arkansas job. Many programs, including Kansas, have been taken down by head football coaches who didn’t have a lot of character.

    Arkansas had an interim coach for an entire season between Petrino and Bielema. You claim Bielema was good in 3/4 years not including his first season. I’m just curious as to which of the 2 seasons of those 4 that Bielema finished in last place considered “moderately successful” since you say 3 of those 4 years were “moderately successful.”

    The reality is Bielema had one decent season of the 5 he was there. Once it was his players that were upperclassmen, Arkansas started declining again and went right back to the cellar of the SEC West.

    You say Turner Gill got worse each season he was at Kansas like he was here for several years, he was here 2 years. There is no circumstance that is enough time to rebuild a program. I don’t know that Gill would’ve ever broken through at Kansas had he been given 5 years, but I know based on what he did at Buffalo and what he’s done at Liberty that his system is a successful one.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 Like I said. We’re not going to convince each other about Petrino so by all means keep wasting your time typing about him.

    His second year he went 7-6 and won a bowl game and improved by 4 games. Year 3 was another improvement. If you expect Arkansas to regularly beat Alabama, Auburn, and LSU I guess that’s your deal.

    No, I said it exactly like I meant it. Gill got worse each year he was here. Where is all the success at Buffalo? He was over .500 exactly one year out of 4, and they got worse when his players were seniors. At a level nowhere close to the SEC. Equating success in the SoCon with the Big 12 isn’t a great idea. Liberty gets a very different type of player than KU, and Gill has never showed the flexibility to adapt his program to the players he gets.



  • @FarmerJayhawk You’ve still yet to tell me how finishing in 7th place out of 7 teams in a division 60% of the time is considered having “moderate success” because that’s a very low standard you have. But since you also don’t care that a coach does something that could lead to a school getting sued as long as they win a few games, I guess your standards aren’t very high to begin with.



  • Ok, since you really need it spelled out, he made 3 bowl games in 5 years. If he made a bowl game 60% of the time he was at KU he’d have a statue in front of Memorial.

    I wouldn’t talk about standards since hiring a coach with one winning season prior to KU and then going 5-19 at KU isn’t given “enough time.” If by don’t care you mean unequivocally think Petrino should’ve been canned, you’re dead on.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10

    I respectfully disagree. I met Coach Gill and he is without a doubt one impressive and outstanding human being; however, his coaching record is not nearly as good.

    This is his coaching record …

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    Keep in mind that Buffalo had returned to Division I 5 years before Gill took over and were still experiencing the pains from moving up. Jason Whitlock, who follows the MAC closely, wrote an article about Gill’s best season at Buffalo and how the record was created with smoke and mirrors with close calls and poor competition. His overall record there is a below average 20-30 and 14-18 and in his last season there the slide down had already started.

    About Liberty…

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    His record is not nearly as good as that of the previous coach and his success is based mostly in Conference play. His overall record is 41-29 and 22-10 and 4 championships in 6 years where his predecessor was 47-20 and 26-5 and 4 championships in also 6 years and ranked in the top 25 his last 4 years and Rocco is the one that inherited a poor program (see table above) where Gill came in where Liberty was already good. Again, how much better did he make Liberty?

    There is a lot of hindsight revisionism of Coach Gill’s record and a a fair amount of it is wishful thinking.



  • @JayHawkFanToo Turner Gill was turned down by Nebraska and Auburn for a reason, he publicly claimed it was because of his color but he had one winning season at buffalo. His absurd contract was even more proof of sweet Lou trying to destroy everything once he knew he was going down. @Texas-Hawk-10 I agree that if Gill had stayed, the program wouldn’t have been as bad as it is currently or what it was when Beaty came in. Gill had several games that we played well in the first half. I was thinking we should’ve made him be stricter on the players academicly and physically, hire a new DC and strength coach, then seen how year 3 was.



  • What about Monken at Army? Gave OU all they wanted in Norman.


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