Believe in something
-
Kap doesn’t really want a job in the NFL. It doesn’t fit with his and his handlers narrative.
-
We have gone over this a few times, but I just want to remind everyone of some of the QBs that will be starting for actual NFL teams this weekend, along with their passer rating from last season (Kaepernick had a rating of 90.7 in 2016, and will turn 31 later this year):
Again, this is just football reasons and doesn’t take contracts or anything else into account.
Eli Manning and Joe Flacco (both at 80.4)
Blake Bortles (84.7)
Derek Carr (86.4)
Andy Dalton (86.6)
Cam Newton (80.7)
Marcus Mariota (79.3)
Now, here’s a list of teams that do not have a QB on their 2018 roster with a higher rating than Kaepernick in either 2016 or 2017:
Buffalo, Denver, Kansas City, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Giants, Cleveland, Chicago, Jets, Indianapolis.
If we take out the teams that either have new, young QBs or a guy returning from injury (KC, Chicago, Indy) that still leaves us with 7 teams that don’t have a STARTING QB on their roster better than Colin Kaepernick. Cleveland isn’t starting Mayfield this year. Buffalo isn’t starting Allen. Denver’s QB situation is horrible. Eli Manning was past his best by date two years ago. Jacksonville might have gone to the Super Bowl last year with a QB better than Blake Bortles. The Jets QB situation is a tragic comedy. And Joe Flacco is basically Eli Manning with less famous siblings.
Saying he’s just a backup is flat out false. He’s better than maybe a third of the QBs that will start this weekend. He’s better than basically every backup not named Carson Wentz. Heck, the most damaging thing the NFL has against them regarding the lawsuit is that the Miami Dolphins brought Jay Cutler (yes, that Jay Cutler) out of retirement to start actual live NFL games for them last year.
Like I said, anyone is free to disagree with Kaepernick, his protest, his methods, or anything else you want to. But saying its a football based decision is a false narrative.
-
@justanotherfan Saying he is a starter is flat out false.
He is 10- 22 in his last 32 starts (I gave him the benefit of two full season’s of data. He is 4-20 in his last 24 games which is a season and a half of data exactly).
He takes a TON of sacks. He is one of the least accurate passers. He has one of the worst Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt. He doesn’t throw a lot of TDs, percentage-wise. He doesn’t get a lot of yards just in general.
He is just not a starting QB. No matter how hard you want to spin it that way. It is simply a false narrative. I don’t know another 31 year old QB that could go 4-20 in there last 24 games and someone could claim that player is a starter.
I’m going to give you a list. This is QBs who have won more games in their last 24 starts than Kap, but also aren’t starters on their team currently. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Nick Foles, Chase Daniel, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Chad Henne, Trevor Siemien, Jacoby Brissett, Colt McCoy, Matt Shaub, Brock Osweiller, Blaine Gabbert, Geno Smith, RG3, EJ Manuel, Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden, Teddy Bridgewater, Drew Stanton, Mike Glennon, and Derek Anderson.
That is 21 guys who are backups who have won more games given the same opportunity. So, what makes Kap any more special than these guys?
-
justanotherfan said:
We have gone over this a few times, but I just want to remind everyone of some of the QBs that will be starting for actual NFL teams this weekend, along with their passer rating from last season (Kaepernick had a rating of 90.7 in 2016, and will turn 31 later this year):
Again, this is just football reasons and doesn’t take contracts or anything else into account.
Eli Manning and Joe Flacco (both at 80.4)
Blake Bortles (84.7)
Derek Carr (86.4)
Andy Dalton (86.6)
Cam Newton (80.7)
Marcus Mariota (79.3)
Now, here’s a list of teams that do not have a QB on their 2018 roster with a higher rating than Kaepernick in either 2016 or 2017:
Buffalo, Denver, Kansas City, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Giants, Cleveland, Chicago, Jets, Indianapolis.
If we take out the teams that either have new, young QBs or a guy returning from injury (KC, Chicago, Indy) that still leaves us with 7 teams that don’t have a STARTING QB on their roster better than Colin Kaepernick. Cleveland isn’t starting Mayfield this year. Buffalo isn’t starting Allen. Denver’s QB situation is horrible. Eli Manning was past his best by date two years ago. Jacksonville might have gone to the Super Bowl last year with a QB better than Blake Bortles. The Jets QB situation is a tragic comedy. And Joe Flacco is basically Eli Manning with less famous siblings.
Saying he’s just a backup is flat out false. He’s better than maybe a third of the QBs that will start this weekend. He’s better than basically every backup not named Carson Wentz. Heck, the most damaging thing the NFL has against them regarding the lawsuit is that the Miami Dolphins brought Jay Cutler (yes, that Jay Cutler) out of retirement to start actual live NFL games for them last year.
Like I said, anyone is free to disagree with Kaepernick, his protest, his methods, or anything else you want to. But saying its a football based decision is a false narrative.
I refuse to believe that you believe this. Either you don’t watch football or don’t know anything about it. Thanks for the laughs though.
-
KUSTEVE said:
The real sacrifice are the thousands of Chinese women making .20 an hour, working 80 hours a week in horrible conditions so Nike can pay Kap millions of dollars. The hypocrisy is profound. Just my opinion- you won’t change my opinion, and I know I won’t change yours.
Frozen rope out. of the Park!!!
-
KUSTEVE said:
@mayjay My comment was about Kapertrick, not you. I confess I haven’t read your post. Nike is a modern day slave trader, and they bought an activist who was up for sale to bring about political change so Nike could avoid paying taxes. If Kapertrick was truly concerned about oppression, brutality, and the worst form of racism, he wouldn’t take a plug nickel from Nike. If Nike was truly concerned about racism and police brutality, they wouldn’t do almost all their business in a country that has one of the most brutal human rights records in the world. Nike perpetuates this human slavery, and props up this repressive regime. Trump was going to hit Nike with import fees, so now Nike cares about human rights. The sanctimony, and the hypocrisy is deafening.
Go Steve!
Nike might sign you to a million dollar contract too.
相信一些事情
“Xiāngxìn yīxiē shìqíng”
-
Are you citing QB wins? Does that make Blake Bortles a top ten QB? Asking for a friend.
-
Too funny not to share
-
@justanotherfan I think Kaepernick is good enough to start at a few select teams in the NFL. He declined his player option and has rejected offers to play. Not many QBs last with that record, that’s a fact. He could be competing for the starting Job right now in Denver. I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that he didn’t because he was in with Nike and was gonna make good money.
-
@justanotherfan That and your list of teams that don’t have better QB ratings include several teams with rookie or first year QBs starting. How the hell can they have better rating than Kaepernick if they haven’t played. Come on Man!! Lol it honestly feels odd disagreeing with you, still love ya man.
-
-
@justanotherfan are you citing passer rating? asking for a friend.
-
Kcmatt7 said:
@justanotherfan are you citing passer rating? asking for a friend.
He is.
I would agree that on merit alone Kaepernick could probably have got a starting job, and definitely a back-up for basically any team.
He is not a great QB though and saying he is definitely better than all of those players listed is incorrect. I would say Kaepernick and Bortles are actually pretty similar. Each is better in different ways but the totality of it is about the same. Kaep’s biggest problem is that he struggled to put any touch on his passes. Before all the drama and any of the kneeling my stance on Kaep is that he was overrated by many and actually pretty bad.
-
Flacco is absolute garbage though. He was a five alarm tire fire last year.
-
Kcmatt7 said: @justanotherfan
He takes a TON of sacks. He is one of the least accurate passers. He has one of the worst Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt. He doesn’t throw a lot of TDs, percentage-wise. He doesn’t get a lot of yards just in general.
I also said this ^^^^^^^^^^. These are important stats. He has a low completion percentage, he takes more sacks than any other QB in the game (and has for years), and therefore he doesn’t get a lot of yards. I mean that combo alone makes him a backup.
He also has a piss poor 3rd down conversion rate, yards per drive, and points per drive stats.
Dive deeper than a weighted stat that only measures 3 things. You’re better than that.
-
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@justanotherfan are you citing passer rating? asking for a friend.
He is.
I would agree that on merit alone Kaepernick could probably have got a starting job, and definitely a back-up for basically any team.
He is not a great QB though and saying he is definitely better than all of those players listed is incorrect. I would say Kaepernick and Bortles are actually pretty similar. Each is better in different ways but the totality of it is about the same. Kaep’s biggest problem is that he struggled to put any touch on his passes. Before all the drama and any of the kneeling my stance on Kaep is that he was overrated by many and actually pretty bad.
Lol that 2014 season he played was when I knew he sucked. He couldn’t hit a receiver if he was 10 feet away. And if he did, it was a bullet.
If not for him, that SF team might make the playoffs. If we want to use Passer rating, Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez and Ryan Fitzpatrick all had better seasons. He also took the 2nd most sacks that season and had a horrible net yards per attempt average. Or, you know, things that haven’t been fixed.
But of course, he had a better passer rating that season than Newton, Stafford, Dalton, and Foles so he should be starting for the Eagles, Panthers, Lions or Bengals this week lol.
-
Kcmatt7 said:
Kcmatt7 said: @justanotherfan
He takes a TON of sacks. He is one of the least accurate passers. He has one of the worst Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt. He doesn’t throw a lot of TDs, percentage-wise. He doesn’t get a lot of yards just in general.
I also said this ^^^^^^^^^^. These are important stats. He has a low completion percentage, he takes more sacks than any other QB in the game (and has for years), and therefore he doesn’t get a lot of yards. I mean those two combos alone make him a backup.
He also has a piss poor 3rd down conversion rate, yards per drive, and points per drive stats.
Dive deeper than a weighted stat that only measures 3 things. You’re better than that.
The fact that I think he could start for some teams definitely says more about the quality of QB play in the league than it does Kaep being good, imo.
Also strongly agree with this. You can make a case for Kaep, but don’t make it based on a terrible stat like Passer rating.
-
BShark said:
Flacco is absolute garbage though. He was a five alarm tire fire last year.
And they drafted Lamar Jackson so why would they need to bring in Kap?
-
My point is not that Kaep would be a top ten or even necessarily a top 20 QB. But I bet you he could start for five teams in the league right now, and that doesn’t include teams that are starting young QBs like Chicago, KC, Houston, etc. But there are other teams that don’t have young QBs that are starting QBs that are terrible (Bills, Jets, Giants, Ravens if they don’t start Jackson, Broncos, you could argue Cincinnati and Arizona could be on this list also).
Kaep has definite shortcomings. I wouldn’t build my team around him. But he’s better than several QBs in the league now. That’s the point I’m attacking. Not that he would be All-Pro or above average - but that he could, absent the NFL freezing him out, be a starting QB in the NFL right now, today, this week. He is not.
Therefore he did sacrifice something. There are many that wish Kaepernick was poor and destitute on the street so that they could rub it in his face because he offended their sensibilities, so they undercut him by saying he wasn’t good enough to be in the NFL when that is clearly not true. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinions on Kaep or his social positions. But saying he couldn’t start in the NFL is still false because there are starting QBs in the NFL that outright suck, and some of those teams don’t even have a young QB that they are building around. Maybe Kaep would be the 25th best QB in the league. Maybe he would be the 30th. But he would almost certainly start, and I guarantee you that in a few weeks, when some teams starter goes down with injury, Colin Kaepernick will be better than the guy that team chooses to replace him with. After all, Jay Cutler got the call last year.
-
@justanotherfan I can agree with this point and I do hope Kaep wins his collusion suit.
-
Here is one for all the Chief fans here.
-
justanotherfan said:
My point is not that Kaep would be a top ten or even necessarily a top 20 QB. But I bet you he could start for five teams in the league right now, and that doesn’t include teams that are starting young QBs like Chicago, KC, Houston, etc. But there are other teams that don’t have young QBs that are starting QBs that are terrible (Bills, Jets, Giants, Ravens if they don’t start Jackson, Broncos, you could argue Cincinnati and Arizona could be on this list also).
Kaep has definite shortcomings. I wouldn’t build my team around him. But he’s better than several QBs in the league now. That’s the point I’m attacking. Not that he would be All-Pro or above average - but that he could, absent the NFL freezing him out, be a starting QB in the NFL right now, today, this week. He is not.
Therefore he did sacrifice something. There are many that wish Kaepernick was poor and destitute on the street so that they could rub it in his face because he offended their sensibilities, so they undercut him by saying he wasn’t good enough to be in the NFL when that is clearly not true. I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinions on Kaep or his social positions. But saying he couldn’t start in the NFL is still false because there are starting QBs in the NFL that outright suck, and some of those teams don’t even have a young QB that they are building around. Maybe Kaep would be the 25th best QB in the league. Maybe he would be the 30th. But he would almost certainly start, and I guarantee you that in a few weeks, when some teams starter goes down with injury, Colin Kaepernick will be better than the guy that team chooses to replace him with. After all, Jay Cutler got the call last year.
The Bills have Josh Allen, the Jets are starting Sam Darnold, the Giants have Eli Manning, and the Ravens have Flacco and Lamar Jackson. So no there is no reason any of those teams would need to sign Kap.
Just because Allen and Baker are not starting week 1 doesn’t mean they are not going to play at some point this season. There is no reason for any of the teams you mentioned to bring Kap in. That is the reality.
-
@Woodrow Kaep, especially when he got froze out was at worst a bottom 5 starter. To say otherwise is pretty disingenuous and remember I don’t think Kaep is very good.
The Jets started 38 y/o Josh McCown 13 games last year for crying out loud. Tyrod Taylor and Jay Cutler started 14 games each last year. Something called a Trevor Siemian started 10 games for Denver. It’s not like QB play is at an all time high. The arguments against Kaepernick not being good enough to start for a team last year are full of crap.
-
-
BShark said:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/College-of-the-Ozarks-Drops/244446
Embarrassing.
I don’t find this embarrassing for them at all. They have decided to select a specific position. That’s their right.
It would be wrong for me to mischaracterize their opposition to Nike’s position as being veiled racism, or being in support of police brutality.
Although, come to think of it, College of the Ozarks has mischaracterized Kaepernick and others that protest as being anti-US or anti-military, when the protesters have clearly stated that this is not the case.
But it’s still wrong to mischaracterize someone’s position when they have explicitly stated their position. In this case, College of the Ozarks has stated that their intent is patriotism, so I will go with that.
-
-
@JayHawkFanToo I hope you didn’t ride w/her. BREAKING: Rookie Lawrence police officer said she meant to Tase man at traffic stop — accidentally grabbed, fired gun instead www2.ljworld.com/news/public-sa…
-
https://morningconsult.com/form/nike-kaepernick-report/
This is a pretty thorough report on the early returns or lack there of for Nike.
-
Here is another perspective on Kaepernick’s performance which does agree with yours.
-
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo I hope you didn’t ride w/her. BREAKING: Rookie Lawrence police officer said she meant to Tase man at traffic stop — accidentally grabbed, fired gun instead www2.ljworld.com/news/public-sa…
The link you posted is not working but I believe I indicated it was Kansas City, Missouri and included areas in the inner city. I am not sure how a Lawrence police officer fits into the narrative.
-
@JayHawkFanToo Do you have any sense of humor?
-
mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo Do you have any sense of humor?
Only on the last day of February on leap years.
I guess you have missed the 
emojis I often post?Perhaps I fail to see the humor of a police officer using a gun instead of a taser and nearly killing a man. The greatest fear police officers have is having to fire their service weapon in a split second decision that has life changing consequences, not only for the target but for the police officer as well even when the shooting is fully justified.
-
@JayHawkFanToo you just don’t get me, I should quit trying. I know you were talking about Kc police and I was talking about Lawrence. My uncle was a sheriff, my boys and I both have friends that work and put their lives on the line, every day. I would not be able to do that! But they are so many bad cops, racist cops, and if you don’t watch the news, I guess you haven’t seen those stories. You were talking in general about policemen and women. I was trying to point out that it’s not that way everywhere. With police cameras the cases are obvious. It bothers me a lot. I believe a lot of the fault is in training. I guess you don’t read the same stories.
-
This post is deleted!
-
Don’t worry… Hahahaha… Buyyyyy Nike …
-
Did everyone see the USA TODAY story about the Bartlesville man burning down his house trying to burn his Nikes inside? There were all types of radio and TV web sites picking it up and reprinting the USA Today byline. I saw those but was suspicious when I searched and found nobody else nationally was reporting it, so I went to the original story and saw immediately that it was an oddly-named site: usatoday-go.com. It was debunked immediately as a hoax by the Bartlesville media. The poor Bartlesville sheriff is spending undue amounts of time responding to inquiries.
The “fake news” site, when I looked this morning, has a banner saying that “This account has been suspended.”
Fortunately, in this case they didn’t use the names of real residents. People’s lives have gotten totally upended from their names appearing in hoaxes like this!
-
I’m like this guy…I hate both parties. Should be required reading for all partisans:
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/slouching-toward-okeefenoke/
-
@KUSTEVE I’m kinda the same way
-
Serena Williams is out of control @Crinsonorblue22 . She wants to be seen as a powerful female who is a role model and fighting for women’s rights, but really that seems to be a badge of honor she hides behind to go out on the court and be a horrible person.
-
@approxinfinity From what I read, there is virtually unanimous agreement among tennis players that despite acting much more abusively than Serena toward refs and umps, bad boys McEnroe and Agassi (and others) never were penalized a game by the chair. Nadal himself said he acted worse.
Frankly, I would prefer all abusive players get slammed. Always wanted Brat McEnroe to earn a forfeit. And if they had, Serena should be, too. But it is hard to argue that Serena was not treated the same as the men who acted the same.
-
@mayjay I get all that, and Agassi and McEnroe were 100% horrible a-holes on the court too and those two are from 30 to 40 years ago. This doesn’t excuse her behavior.
I’m tired of hearing about her like she’s a martyr or a strong noble woman, especially to hear her speak about herself in those terms. She’s a spoiled mega-rich brat who happens to be female, have a child, have a strong frame, and be black. The latter set of characteristics do not make the former set invisible. She is not a likeable person.
Here’s the quote, after the ref penalized her for being coached from the stance:
“You will never, ever, ever be on another court of mine as long as you live. You are the liar,” said Williams. “When are you going to give me an apology? You owe me an apology. Say it you’re sorry. And you stole a point from me. You’re a thief, too!”
and then later…
“I thought he took the game from me, other men said other things,” said Williams, “I am here fighting for women’s right and women’s equality. (He) made me feel like a sexist remark, he never took a game from a man for saying thief.”
This isn’t an isolated incident. Remember when she previously threatened to kill a line judge? I’m pretty sure Serena has the worst attitude on the court of any high profile ranked player, male or female (I’m willing to hear otherwise). Her reputation precedes her. I’m not certain that if her modern male counterparts said the same things they wouldn’t get the same treatment. I guess we’ll never know because they have more class.
Congrats to Naomi Osaka! Sorry your childhood hero is a horrible sport and overshadowed your victory by making it all about her.
-
Serena was getting her ass kicked. Didn’t like it and has always been a sore loser. So she made a spectacle of it to turn all the attention on herself to make seem like she got a bad deal.
-
@mayjay The world has change a ton since McEnroe was playing, not saying it’s right but that was 30 years ago. Comparing that society to today’s is foolish and simply not apples to apples. Things changing that’s why guys like Billy Gilsieby (misspelled) and Mangino aren’t coaching anyone. You can’t yell at anyone and get away it. This whole racist, feminist excuse is BS, her actions weren’t right and she should be held accountable. I don’t care what sex, race or religion you are, if are a professional act like it.
-
The Buffalo Bills started Nathan Peterman at QB yesterday. His 2017 numbers:
24-49 (49%), 2 TD, 5 INT, 38.4 Rating, 13.8 QBR (to his credit, he took only 1 sack in 4 games), 252 yards.
Yesterday’s numbers: 5-18 (28%), 0 TD, 2 INT, 0 Rating (3 sacks), 24 yards.
Thankfully, first round pick Josh Allen was able to come in and perform capably
6-15 (40%), 0 TD, 0 INT, 56 Rating (3 sacks), 74 yards.
Wait, those numbers are bad. Maybe Allen isn’t quite ready yet. Let’s check his college stats:
Last year: 152-270 (56.3%), 16 TD, 6 INT, 6.7 yards per attempt, 1812 passing yards.
Career: 365-649 (56.2%), 44 TD, 21 INT, 7.8 yards per attempt, 5066 passing yards
-
Kap put up basically identical stats to Jacoby Brissett last year. Should Jacoby Brissett be a starter?
-
At this point I’m more arguing the collusion case for Kap than arguing that he should start anywhere in particular.
If Jacoby Brissett was a free agent right now, someone would sign him tomorrow.
-
@justanotherfan I can absolutely agree that Kap should be in the NFL. Making probably $6-7M a season.
-
Here is a well thought out article by Martina Navratilova.
-
You’re assuming. You don’t know what Kap will do with the money. Yet your posting as if it is a fact. Also as someone that watches Football. Kap’s football career was over long before he started this kneeling to the American flag. He had lost his starting job and was nothing but a backup QB. It wasn’t much of a sacrifice on his part. His NFL career was pretty much a bust.
-
Kcmatt7 said:
@justanotherfan I can absolutely agree that Kap should be in the NFL. Making probably $6-7M a season.
Please how? He’s nothing but a backup. Yet he’s going to create all the turmoil like he’s some stud? Really?
If you were running a NFL team a business would you want a backup QB causing all these problems. Remember some people think you shouldn’t blame the flag for your problems.
