Draft Declarations Thread
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BucknellJayhawk3 said:
If only Self could assemble a Fab Five of sorts. Like everyone else, we are always a piece or two away from a complete team. Next year will be no different. Was our best “Fab Five” the '08 team?
Next year is pretty complete. Just young in the back court.
If Grimes stays a 2nd year watch out, he will be a star. SO Dotson, SO Grimes, JR Garrett, Matt Hurt, JR Silvio would be about as good of a line-up as we’ve ever seen. Would have some solid reserves too.
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@BShark I was thinking next year might be the most complete team (talent wise) we’ve had in a while, with the caveat that we won’t have that many returning minutes, especially if Vick leaves. Things will certainly be interesting with young guards.
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@BucknellJayhawk3 Agree. Very complete, lots of options. I hope that Self finds the best style for the pieces.
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@nuleafjhawk To your point … I had my issues with Jamari Traylor’s playing time. But I certainly hold Traylor, and his time here, and his contributions and commitment to Kansas in higher stead than an Andrew Wiggins, or Josh Jackson, for example. Win a NC, and I’ll talk about reconsidering. Not that I look down on the OADs, I appreciate who they are and what they are, and I understand the lure of instant generational money. But I’m selfishly interested in Kansas basketball, that’s all. No doubt they help KU recruit and give our program increased value and prestige. I’d just rather shake Traylor’s hand, if I had to choose.
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Traylor was a warrior for this program for 5 years I can’t fault him at all. Can fault Self for his minutes though.
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Looking at our roster, and projected future rosters, I think this is where Self goes on an unprecedented run of FFs and possibly NCs. We have a great combination of size, talent and depth. A great mix of 4 year guys and potential OADs. Mitch will go from our 2nd big to possibly our 6th depending on how everything shakes out still. At least the 4th. That is depth. We brought in a nice project in Ochai, we have a great project at PG coming next season in Jacobs, we have ins with what feels like 6 of the 2019 post players, local talent is emerging, potential for another generational type African Big in 2020, USA Basketball will make a nice impact, etc etc etc.
Things look good. I haven’t been this optimistic about winning a NC in a good lone while.
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@HighEliteMajor I always go back to Danny Manning. He would have been totally justified to jump to the NBA at any point - as a Sophomore or a Junior. He literally became a legend by staying all four years PLUS won us another National Championship. Would we have a couple more if, say Wiggins or Josh Jackson had stayed? Maybe not, but they would have been held in much higher esteem in my eyes. And I know that’s important to them…
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Kcmatt7 said:
Looking at our roster, and projected future rosters, I think this is where Self goes on an unprecedented run of FFs and possibly NCs. We have a great combination of size, talent and depth. A great mix of 4 year guys and potential OADs. Mitch will go from our 2nd big to possibly our 6th depending on how everything shakes out still. At least the 4th. That is depth. We brought in a nice project in Ochai, we have a great project at PG coming next season in Jacobs, we have ins with what feels like 6 of the 2019 post players, local talent is emerging, potential for another generational type African Big in 2020, USA Basketball will make a nice impact, etc etc etc.
Things look good. I haven’t been this optimistic about winning a NC in a good lone while.
I’M FIRED UP.
Ochai just won the area poty: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/high-school/article207998279.html
Jacobs will be great in time. Kid is a warrior and has that Tyshawn/Mario shit talking swagger game down. Give me those types over shy players every time.
2019 class could be loaded again.
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@nuleafjhawk It was the 80s, totally different time. For the most part, players stayed in school.
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@BShark It wasn’t unheard of, but yes that’s true. Still, it doesn’t change my question of what would have happened if some of those who had bailed on us would have stayed.
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@nuleafjhawk Kentucky would probably have a lot of championships.
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@BShark Lol - no doubt.
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@nuleafjhawk I’m still pissed at Drew Gooden. 2003 National champs, might have gone undefeated.
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While I don’t begrudge any kid for going early for the money, I still get miffed at kids throwing away the potential to win the big one in college. I loved it when Frank Kaminsky wrote an article saying he could get drafted and play for some team like Charlotte and 10,000 bored fans, or come back for his senior year and play in front of 16,000 crazy college fans. It was a no brainer.
I actually read on a similar thread that some fans were somewhat relieved because now KU will have a better chance of landing Romeo. They’d be glad I guess to have a freshman ranked 5th in the country, over a 4th year junior, who incidentally was ranked 3rd in the country? Pretty crazy.
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@wissox Those people are silly Newman would’ve been great to have back. Vick I’m torn on, I wish he had some leadership qualities.
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More Lagerald Vick announces he will forego his senior season with #KUbball to pursue a professional career.
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Didn’t sign an agent though.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Didn’t sign an agent though.
He’s done at KU.
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Formalities at this point
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I figured this was coming. Vick will probably spend a year or two in the G League before he has a chance to hook on consistently with an NBA team, similar to what Wayne Selden did, playing most of two seasons in the G League and now getting more consistent work in the NBA.
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@justanotherfan Or maybe a foreign league depending on what kind of contract he is hoping for.
This quote from Self is telling
Self on Vick: “I believe the time is right for him to move on, explore his options as a professional and see what develops.”
Basically: Goodbye. You don’t have to go anywhere but you can’t stay here.
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Well I think Romeo’s decision will come before too long.
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@BShark Man, that is telling … particularly since he’s not hiring an agent in the announcement.
So, Romeo waited to announce, and if he picks Vandy or Indiana, why did he wait?
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@HighEliteMajor Nothing wrong with due diligence. Kid is worth $1M literally right this second if he wanted to play overseas. No reason to rush a decision. I still think it is done to KU though.
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Gonna need a roster next season to know who’s who.
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“I’ve always told him, you cannot be selfish in your position,” LaLa told the Journal-World Friday morning. “You’ve done your part, it’s time to let some other teenager who has been working hard for his dream to come in and do his thing. Come in, work hard, put your toes in the water and let’s get it. It’s time to swim. Michael Phelps. Let’s do this.”
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LaLa Vick sure took her LaLa’s today
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wissox said:
Gonna need a roster next season to know who’s who.
Did you mean program?
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Kcmatt7 said:
Well I think Romeo’s decision will come before too long.
That would be great!
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- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: Dedric - 30 MPG : Lightfoot/KJ - 10 MPG
- C: Doke: 25 MPG : De Sousa - 15 MPG
I think it does look more and more likely Doke leaves… in which case, this is my thoughts:
- PG: Dotson - 32MPG : Moore - 8 MPG
- SG: Grimes - 28 MPG: Garrett - 14 MPG
- SF: Langford - 30 MPG: Garrett - 10 MPG
- PF: KJ - 22 MPG : Lightfoot - 10 MPG : De Sousa - 8 MPG
- C: Dedric: 30 MPG : De Sousa - 10 MPG
I really like the starting group with KJ and Dedric. I think that let’s us stretch the floor and play fluently on offense, while still be really long on the defensive end.
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This is one of the strangest announcements I can recall. Maybe, ever. This has the signs of being pushed/prodded out all over it.
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from nbascouting
Lagerald Vick Height: 6-5 Weight: 180 College: Kansas Classification: Junior Birthdate: 1/12/1997 2018 Top 100 Rank: 86 Projected Draft Range: 2nd Round to Undrafted Pros: Excels at scoring on the move Adequate scorer off the dribble Adequate shooter from all over the floor Adequate playmaker Fairly good rebounder Adequate defensive player Great athlete Cons: Streaky shooter Does not draw many free throws His free throw shooting has really tapered off Can be a bit turnover prone Can be too passive on offense Does not always commit to the boards Can have lapses defensively Can be too inconsistent in games Summary: Lagerald Vick is an athletic, skilled offensive minded combo guard that can shoot and pass the basketball. He did not see much playing time in his freshman year, and had a fairly pedestrian sophomore season, but an increase in production could see his draft stock move swiftly upwards. If he has a strong year, he could end up being a first round pick in 2018.
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Signs pointing to Doke leaving:
- Lawson brothers didn’t come here to sit.
- Big Dave signed early. I don’t think he plays still, but no way the staff told him he would be the 6th big.
- Not a lot of minutes for a lot of bodies.
I’m interested in how the roster ends up shaking out for sure. I still think we are the best team in the country depth wise next season. Could legit go 10 deep on the bench even without Doke.
I really think Lightfoot should take a Redshirt. Doke leaving would still give us 4 bigs, with the ability to go 4 guards if we ever needed to.
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@Blown I feel like we had been talking about it for awhile now. Always thought he was leaving.
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@Kcmatt7 You forgot about McCormack, bet Mitch red shirts
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I’m anxious to read what Jason King writes about whatever drama happened on this team about midway through the season as he has in past books. I bet a lot of it centered on Vick & Newman.
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@Blown He joins an esteemed group White, Greene, Bragg, Tharpe, Adams – missing any recent nudges out the door?
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@Kcmatt7 right, I agree we had been. So not surprised. Just think it is strange. Is his stock really that high?
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@HighEliteMajor I feel like those were Problem kids though, right? With behavioral issues. Did Vick have that? At least outwardly…?
EDIT: White wasn’t a problem child, just never got any PT so that one made more sense.
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@kjayhawks Didn’t forget about him. Just don’t think he will play basically at all next season. He is a project. Looks like he has cinder-blocks tied to his feet right now.
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@Blown Vick was at the center of the incident with Josh Jackson and Mackenzie Calvert last year. That’s by far his most high profile incident, but I’ve rumors of several other smaller incidents involving Vick as well.
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@Blown No his stock isn’t high. And he was absolutely forced out. Just wasn’t ever tough enough to be successful under Self.
To top things off though, Vick had that dorm incident. And was involved in the incident at the country club.
He also just doesn’t seem like a good fit for next year’s club. You don’t want his personality hanging around your new group if you think he is a potential cancer.
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@Kcmatt7 I was not aware of those things, and had forgotten he was involved in the Calvert incident. (Not sure how I forgot that). So he wasn’t pushed out after sophomore year because we were desperate for depth…but not so much going into next year. I get it.
LaLa sure painting the picture it was 100% Her and LV call!
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Blown said:
This is one of the strangest announcements I can recall. Maybe, ever. This has the signs of being pushed/prodded out all over it.
I caught some flack (don’t remember how much here vs other boards) for suggesting Vick was on the Tharpe/Greene I-420 out of town…
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Blown He joins an esteemed group White, Greene, Bragg, Tharpe, Adams – missing any recent nudges out the door?
White was a helicopter dad situation. He didn’t play a lot early, but he wasn’t forced out.
Selden was nudged a bit, worked out well for all parties there.
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Blown said:
Is his stock really that high?
No. He probably won’t be playing pro ball in North America.
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@BShark I’m sure you’ve commented on it somewhere, but I’m limited on time today…work…ugh, Does this mean you feel Langford will come? You seem to be in tune with this stuff.
