NCAA Corruption Investigation - Kansas Identified?
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Apparently Alexander did not get money or mom spent it very quickly and had to go get loan after Cliff was already playing at KU.
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Haven’t got that far. Not sure I will until tonight, when I free up more time.
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KU is the only team that was willing to keep players out with any smoke. How in the hell can KU even be mentioned after the players we have sat out each season. This is a joke. It’s a witch hunt and the so-called list is simply a way to show that all major programs were investigated. It does NOT surprise me at all that KU was in fact investigated, makes absolute perfect sense. So it appears that past players that graduated received money? Unless they can name recruiting violations and that KU knowingly allowed a player to play, this shouldn’t be a problem.
All the blue bloods were investigated, but only investigated, or audited. Let’s see if they find something in the mess KU’s compliance dept already investigated. Why do you all think Billy P never played? There was smoke and we never played him. They have jack on KU. Pat Forde is an idiot because he actually defeated his own theory by naming all the players that were mentioned. They were all investigated and the NCAA even cleared them, IF they played.
Also, if KU was HOT, they would’ve dropped the hammer already.
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@Crimsonorblue22 oranges.
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It is Pat Forde drawing the inferences, what can you expect?
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@drgnslayr Isn’t the issue that any player that accepted money is potentially ineligible and thus what to do about wins during the season that player participated?
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Apples (Jones)
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I guarantee you if this is as bad as it appears, the NCAA will handle this diplomatically for the sake of the game. This is long overdue, but it appears the OTHER programs had current and just recent players on the list, ie. dook, uk, usc, unc, ncst, scarolina, wsu (Marcia)?..
It seems some KU board rats are slightly intrigued by the possibility of KU being ‘indicted.’ I wonder why Wiggins has been SO SO SO quiet. I don’t hear much from him. Also we recruited and signed our current or incoming class the old fashioned way. It seems we earned them. I think we are seeing a little more clearly why Billy P and his mom made their choice. I have a bad feeling she accepted money and that car had something to do with it. But thankfully he never played and violated any rules.
Has KU dodged the proverbial bullet?
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@JayHawkFanToo Maybe this will finally get the pros out of the college game. The system as is …is a joke. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if every top player wasn’t given major bucks from Big Shoe under the table.
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@truehawk93 Self knew the risks when Billy was signed and once things were uncovered there was no way he was going to risk playing Preston in the current climate. That’s my read on it anyway.
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Duke saying no eligibility concerns with Wendell Carter. Lolz. I almost want them to win it all now just to vacate it later.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Duke saying no eligibility concerns with Wendell Carter. Lolz. I almost want them to win it all now just to vacate it later.
rofl
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I’m glad this is coming out in large clumps. This will surely change the leverage of this situation between schools and the NCAA. If this was just us, we’d get shackled on anything.
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I was under the impression that Preston’s problems were more academic and he had cleared them at his last HS. Once he was cleared by the NCAA there was no reason to think there was anything else. Had Coach Self thought there were other issues he would have not pursued him…that is my take.
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@BShark I have seen this comment a lot about Self “knowing the risks” in signing Billy. I know about the several schools issue and the risk of ineligibility there, but did I miss something somewhere where there were hints of impermissible benefits?
Of what risks, pray tell, dost thou speak?
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@mayjay The risk he might not play a game when we signed him. There is a reason that despite his talent the other big boys were not involved.
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Also something else to remember with Apples Jones, she ran an AAU program so that money could have been for just about anything. Probably Josh but who knows.
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@BShark If I’m not mistaken, JJ hadn’t yet committed to KU when she took the money, right?
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@JayHawkFanToo Preston had the stink of desperation after the Ayton miss. Probably wouldn’t have touched him with a 10 foot poll otherwise. And forced him into an early commitment so they could actually see what the hell they were dealing with academically and get him eligible. They did the academic part, but always knew he was a risk. Part of the reason I think the compliance department even looked into the car was because they knew they needed to be extra careful with BP.
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@BShark I think knowing the risks of speeding, that you might crash, are different from knowing the risks of an asteroid hitting your car, even though both involve the risk of not reaching your destination.
In this case, HCBS and staff had a chance to investigate and predict the risk of a bad result of the academic issue. There was also precedent from other kids. That is entirely different from anticipating losing a player out of the blue due to his or his relatives’ financial shenanigans.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark If I’m not mistaken, JJ hadn’t yet committed to KU when she took the money, right?
Correct.
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@CRH107 that’s what I meant
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@BShark And our coaching staff weren’t in charge of the disbursement of said funds, right?
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@JayHawkFanToo @mayjay All I’m saying is that like Cliff and Diallo there was a ton of smoke around Preston. Whatever the type may be (academic with Diallo, shady stuff with Cliff). Self would have to be really bad at his job (he isn’t, btw) to not have a general idea. Then Preston gets to campus, the whole FBI thing leaks. At this point you know the staff is looking extra hard into all players on the team to make damn sure they are eligible. Then Preston gets a suspension for something as small as a curfew violation? I didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday.
@KUSTEVE Right. It came from an agent. KU isn’t tied to it.
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And according to Izzo, “While we will cooperate with any and all investigations,” Izzo said, “we have no reason to believe that I, any member of our staff or student-athlete did anything in violation of NCAA rules.”
And meanwhile, Self’s response, “I haven’t had a chance to study it yet,” Self said of the story. “At this point in time I reserve comment."
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Just teasing with you…because you posted apples and @KUSTEVE posted oranges. I know, I should take this far more seriously.
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@BShark So, what’s the big dealio? Sounds like Pat “Mizery” Ford is simply muckraking. Just wait until it comes out what Mizery did to get those 5 star recruits to go to Meth U. I mean, they had to be paid to go to that cesspool, imho.
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At least all the news today has made the day go by quickly.
Just still laughing that the “bomb” Yahoo was supposed to drop that could “take down programs and HOF coaches” appears to have been more like a tiny chink in a 6 foot thick lead door.
Honestly, the only thing I’ve seen from this that even peaks my interest is that Izzo seems far from the boy scout he has been made out to be.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark So, what’s the big dealio? Sounds like Pat “Mizery” Ford is simply muckraking. Just wait until it comes out what Mizery did to get those 5 star recruits to go to Meth U. I mean, they had to be paid to go to that cesspool, imho.
It’s not a big deal. As things currently stand I doubt KU has to vacate any wins.
Stuff will come out about Cuonzo and Porter Jr. Bet on it. Cuonzo was dirty has his previous two stops, so why would he quit that at Mizoorah?
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@BShark That twitter account is fire today. Holy hell im laughing out loud at work right now and don’t even care.
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https://twitter.com/gifhawk/status/967070209008742400
this one had me crying.
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@Kcmatt7 one of my favorite follows
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@KUSTEVE And now we go for a live look-in to COLUMBIA MISSOURI.
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Jeff GoodmanVerified account @GoodmanESPN Follow Follow @GoodmanESPN More Josh Jackson’s mother, Apples Jones, told ESPN she never received any money from Andy Miller or Christian Dawkins. “I have never met Andy Miller, and while we had a relationship with Christian, we never took anything from him.”
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I’m just imagining the freaking Yahoo! editor and writers thinking they have this bombshell, and now the response across the country is mainly just people laughing at them lol.
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@HighEliteMajor I am thinking about your comments about the weaknesses in the federal case.
Most fraud conspiracies involve a group of people trying to take someone else’s money. Maybe the prosecutors will try to prove a criminal conspiracy to give away money. And, you know something? It is a concept so downright unAmerican it should be illegal.
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So I read a little further and they found Apple Jones, JJ’s mom, took a whopping $2,700. This was due to the car damage incident as a result of the little trouble maker and her daddy that went after Vick and Josh. Wow…This was all known, and Josh did some sitting if I remember correctly. Also, I thought there was a payback of that money. I wish they would dig deeper rather than going on what is already known.
This is getting ludicrous and ridiculous all at the same, and laughable.
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@BShark Columbia, Misery is all that is in Misery.
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That’s a kick azz shredder. Where can I get one.
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Let’s remember, this is about one agent. I doubt it’s contained to one agent.
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The really sad reality is these vultures circle these players and their families, knowing they need money.
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haha…Roy says he ‘ain’t’ worried at all. Dook says nothing here.
Then KU has NOTHING.
Oh…Hey Coach K, what happened to Bagley. Naw, no impermissible issues at Dook, smh.
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@truehawk93 I thought she took the money on February 16th 2016. He didn’t sign to be a Jayhawk until April 2016.
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In honor of Apple Jones, I am starting Josh Jackson tonight in my Draft Kings lineup. Hopefully, JJ can get me the cash like his mom did.
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Before he signed
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Here’s what should be done.
Who had violations?
What were the extents of those violations?
How old were the violations?
Were the violations discovered and reported by the respected programs?
Also, how many players and over what amount of time should be reviewed in the investigations? Was it directly related to a program? Before signing? Or after they left the program?
What amounts were accepted? Unfortunately if it was over $200, it’s a violation.
I don’t understand why the FBI doesn’t take it up with these greedy azz agents only. But like Pitino, I find it hard to believe these head coaches don’t know about these issues. I think the majority DO.
I am surprised that Izzo failed to catch Bridges, but I don’t want my objectivity clouded by my ‘respect’ for him as a coach. But if this is the only recruit, with Izzo, I could see some type of allowance.
Mark Emmert ordered this investigation, it wouldn’t surprise me if the NCAA says, thank you and turns a blind eye. I think this was an objective exercise for the NCAA. I do believe the coaches involved and the agents should be charged with criminal activity.
Don’t punish the kids.
