2019 Recruiting
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@BeddieKU23 Sorry here , I understand your conversation is about Hall don’t mean to intrude but your right but I also wonder now how serious we are recruiting Harvey any more? - I just kind of get a feel that we may have back off of him a bit. - Seems like he has slide a little in the rankings AND with his little ordeal that came to light not sure if coach Self really wants any questionable types if even in the slightest cases at this juncture. - Seems like the last 2-3 years we have had our share of limelight in the wrong way. - -Just kind of curious exactly how strongly we are really recruiting him at this point? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Haven’t heard much regarding him with KU. I figure that’s a sign we are not actively after him… Maybe it changes.
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I’ve seen it mentioned that KU will be taking a wait and see approach. Still interested but wanting to see how that legal crap turns out.
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@BShark ya, kinda what I thought also
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Well read an article from zags blog just now. Saw where Nico Mannion a 6’3 PG is strongly considering re-classifying to 2019. Said he was taking summer classes and if things went well considering saying going back for his Senior year might be boring.
He is a 6.3 PG from pinnacle Arizona and is looking at these final 10 schools: - - -KU - -Duke- - -Oregon - - - Ariz - - -Utah - - -Villanova- - -Marq - - USC - - UCLA - - & Vanderbilt -a lot of West Coast schools there curious
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Won’t be KU but thanks for sharing! This reclassifying drama is hard to follow
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@BeddieKU23 So who will it be?
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jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 So who will it be?
Last I heard/seen Arizona and Villanova were hot on his trail
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@BeddieKU23 HUGE mistake by the kid if he lands at Arizona
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He plays in Arizona now, so that could be a factor for him. He’s from Italy, so he may want to stay close to where he has roots here in the U.S.
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Slater dropping in a CB for KU and Hurt.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Slater dropping in a CB for KU and Hurt.
Mmm yes please.
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KU has offered Oscar Tshiebwe. 2019 C.
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BShark said:
KU has offered Oscar Tshiebwe. 2019 C.
He’s a bit raw, but he’s athletic and moves really well for his size. He’s got some size and bulk, so I can see him being a real force in the paint and being able to hold his own as a lone big man/ rim protector in the line up.
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Read yesterday where KU picked up another CB pick for Samuell Williamson , saw that is is up to the # 60 player now , and I think you see him move some higher yet. - -I think he is ours really if we want to take him. Wouldn’t be a bad player. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Will be an excellent multi-year guy. Very skilled, SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH shot. Seems like KU is pretty serious. Maybe it will be wrapped up by fall.
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TIFWIW: A poster on the Phog with typically good info has said KU has been nut punched with JRE and that Roy/UNC are now firmly in the lead.
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From ku sports
As for Evans’ read on Robinson-Earl’s recruitment, his take goes down as good news for the Jayhawks.
“Kansas has been and will continue to be the program to beat,” Evans wrote on Friday, “though Virginia, North Carolina, UCLA and Arizona could have a puncher’s chance as well.”
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I’m not worried about JRE yet. The staff is still selling the JRE/Hurt frontcourt. UNC is always going to be a recruiting threat (it’s an aweseome place to be) but there’s no comparing the Dean Dome and AFH. The visit should seal the deal.
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@FarmerJayhawk Hope you are right.
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Losing out on JRE would be one tough one to swallow. Kid is a beast and Self and co have invested so much time. I think they will get the job done.
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Hurt is showing out in this team USA game. He is REALLY good. Haters @jayballer73 take notice.
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Cole Anthony is the clear cut best guard on this USA team.
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BShark said:
Hurt is showing out in this team USA game. He is REALLY good. Haters @jayballer73 take notice.
maybe I am not understanding you right. - -I’m for sure not a hater of hurt looks really sweet
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@jayballer73 Might be confusing you with someone else. I know there was a poster or two that weren’t impressed with Hurt.
Him and Anthony are the best players in this game and it’s not close.
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 Might be confusing you with someone else. I know there was a poster or two that weren’t impressed with Hurt.
Him and Anthony are the best players in this game and it’s not close.
ya one your thinking about is my buddy that was the one sayin he wasn’t really impressed
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Ah my mistake then Jayballer.
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Chubby dude is giving us problems
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I was (still am, actually) a doubter on Hurt. While he is skilled, his lack of mobility and athleticism worries me as it puts a ceiling on his potential. He’s very skilled, but I worry about him on the defensive end, and on how effective he will be as a rebounder at the college level.
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@justanotherfan I think he will be a terror at the college level. NBA level is where it gets murky imo.
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He’s a college and NBA stretch 4.
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I think that is highly possible. That could also turn him into a four year player at KU. I see three basic scenarios for Hurt:
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As the game continues to evolve, Hurt struggles with the pace and his lack of athleticism makes him a 20 mpg player with a high offensive upside. 35% chance this happens, as I can’t see him suddenly becoming a completely different athlete. The pace of the game and being on the floor with better athletes able to execute traps and such could really fluster his offense, and he may not ever be more than an average defender.
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Hurt is a great, sometimes dominant collegiate player, but with no place at the next level, he grows from all conference as a sophomore to All American as both a junior and a senior, but still only garners a second round NBA selection. 45% chance this happens. He’s such a skilled player that it should translate against all but a few teams each season, meaning he will rack up big numbers against less skilled players that simply can’t exploit his average athleticism on either end.
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Hurt’s game translates, and he ends up playing at KU just two years before moving on to a solid NBA career. 20% chance this happens. Again, because I don’t see his basic athleticism changing, its more likely that he is a good college player than that he becomes a pro before he graduates.
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Mike Daum without as much girth to him?
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It’s tough to compare Hurt and Daum.
For one, Hurt is much more highly recruited than Daum was. Daum was not a top 100 player coming out of HS.
For another, because Daum wasn’t highly recruited, he was able to come into a smaller program, where the demands on the defensive end weren’t as high, particularly early in his career. At a lower D1 school, Daum could “hide” on a non-threat defensively since most low majors only have one interior player that is dangerous, sometimes none. As a high major recruit, Hurt won’t have that benefit, as the competition in the Big 12 will place more demands on him.
Think of a guy like Chase Jeter He went to Duke, barely played for two years, now he’s a bust trying to find his way at Arizona after averaging 2 points and 2 rebounds for two years. Hurt’s situation will be more similar to Jeter than Daum when it comes to expectation. He will be expected to play and produce.
The good news for Hurt is that he is a skilled guy, so he has something to fall back on.
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Your right the comparison is hard because the comparison isn’t equal. Hurt is a highly touted kid, Daum wasn’t. An immediate comp hasn’t really come to mind. Sam Dekker maybe the best one I could find otherwise.
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I can’t say I have seen Hurt play much other than highlights but he sounds a lot like Perry Ellis did in HS. Interesting, Future 150 list athleticism as one of his strengths.
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@JayHawkFanToo Perry didn’t shoot 3’s like hurt does
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I think you made the best point with Hurt not having any good comps.
Dekker is a better shooter and athlete than Hurt (probably also a better ball handler). Dekker was a true wing player coming out of HS. Dekker ranked in the top 10 coming of out HS, but as I said, he was better than Hurt both athletically and skill wise in my opinion.
Frank Kaminsky was bigger (obviously) but not as far along as a ball handler or shooter coming out of HS. He was a three star recruit, though.
Hurt is more advanced skill wise than a guy like Perry Ellis. Hurt is also bigger than Ellis. Athletically, this might be the closest to a push, but Perry isn’t a good comparison size wise. Perry was a four star recruit, so that’s a better comp skill wise, but if he’s not as athletic as Perry (who struggled as a freshman to adapt to the pace and athleticism) he may not translate. If he is as athletic as Perry, he could have a heck of a career.
Hurt is a better shooter than a guy like Dedric Lawson, but probably isn’t as strong as Lawson was coming out of high school. That makes it tougher to figure if that will translate.
It’s really hard to find an elite recruit to compare Hurt to. He’s not as athletic as most of the higher level recruits, but his skill is obvious when you watch him. You just don’t see many top flight recruits that lack above average athleticism.
A bigger Perry Ellis doesn’t seem like the right comparison, although maybe it is. I need to watch him more to figure out if that’s a good comp athletically.
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Perry Ellis might actually be a good comp overall. Ellis was a fringe Top 25 player for most of his HS career as well. I don’t see Hurt dropping too far from where he is currently but maybe by the end of the class he’s more bottom 10 based on ceiling.
Hurt’s biggest struggles I see in College is defense and dealing with bigger athletic guys. Once he learns how to compensate for it with his skill I see him making a major impact.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Perry didn’t shoot 3’s like hurt does
Perry did not take as many shots because that was not his role on the team and he played primarily inside until pretty much his senior year when he was allowed to step outside and hit the long shot; however, he was a very good 3 point shooter.
- FR - 2-3, .0667
- SOPH - 8-17, 0.471
- JR - 18-46, 0.391
- SR - 28-64 0.438
Career - 56- 130, 0.431
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I know that’s why I said that. Perry was an inside player only in high school.
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Perry shot 37-60, 0.617 in HS. Perry was always able to hit the 3.
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This is a little older comp but he reminds me of Keith Van Horn.
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The Van Horn comp is an interesting one. I don’t remember what Van Horn was like coming out of high school, but he was certainly a force in college. I feel like he might have been more athletic than Hurt is, but we are talking about a guy that was finishing up college versus a senior to be in high school. And that was 20 years ago.
Hurt is maybe the toughest player to comp that I have run across.
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Another player that comes to mind is Kyle Singler also Shane Battier and Lauri Markkanen.
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Battier was an extremely good defender. That’s likely where Hurt would struggle most.
Singler was more of a guard in HS, so I don’t know if positionally that’s as good a comp.
I like the Markkanen comp, except that Markkanen is so big. He was skinny coming out of HS, but he was a legit 6-10, and was closer to his current 7-0 by the time he arrived at Arizona. If Hurt gets to that size, that’s a good comp, but I don’t know that Hurt will ever be a footer.
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All 3 of them played PF in college and Singler had a game fairly similar insofar as being skilled inside and being able to step outside and hit the 3.
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I agree about Singler’s role at Duke. Duke had a crowded backcourt and that allowed them to get their best five on the floor. Singler had good size to allow them some positional flexibility.
But in high school, Singler was absolutely a guard.
He’s a guard. That’s not Hurt’s role. Hurt handles the ball some, but he’s not a primarily perimeter player like Singler is in his high school highlights.
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@justanotherfan Pekka??
