Recruiting Thread
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@jayballer73 Well it makes sense for two reasons. Neither of them positional, but they do make sense.
- Coach is gone
- Adidas kid going to an Adidas school
I don’t think it would be a fall back for Romeo, but simply the use of the 13th scholarship.
I mean, there isn’t another Romeo available. Nor is there really anyone available that I would think could be better than what we have on our roster right now at that position.
But I do hope that something crazy happens and we somehow either land Romeo or another top recruit.
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@Kcmatt7 Well we need to run then - with the way things have been going here the last couple of years we have had our share of questionable players or outcome and having to deal with the NCAA and now there is this dam FBI probe - I would like to have ONE tear with no drama. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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justanotherfan said:
I’m willing to go on a limb and say that Quentin Grimes will be one of the five best players from this class.
Agree.
A second year out of him would be amazing but he has said he wants to be OAD a bunch so I’m not too hopeful.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@Woodrow You have to read between the lines a little, but there are basically no other Blue Bloods chasing him. He is living in Kentucky, but UK won’t even sniff him. That is especially concerning, considering they were desperate for bigs, he could be a possible 18 reclass, and he is a top 5 talent.
Something just doesn’t smell right.
Ding fries are done.
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@Kcmatt7 The big thing for me is that like the kid that is ranked 76th - I mean I hope we don’t offer JUST to fill the roster - if we can’t benefit from the kid why use the schlorship ? - Were not in that bad of position to just be offering for the sake of offering and fillin the roster - not sayin t hat what it is - -but if Romeo doesn’t commit - -no law says we have to use that schlorship- -hell hang on to it - that’s not a crime - -I’m just hoping we aren’t getting to that point - if you can’t get what you want - - why settle - -just to settle?
Actually I think this so called mystery kid is just that - mythical. -A lot of this talk started with ol boy off Shiver and he said: - If Romeo doesn’t commit then I MIGHT know of a possible fallback that KU hasn’t been linked to previously - -People took that and ran like the wind - Oh there is this OTHER guy, and people started pulling names out their ass just to throw out a name - that’ just insane - -I mean have some kind of backup instead of just throwing out a name to see what kind of answers you get to your post. - -Any kind of a big is NOT what we really need - we need a combo type guard the 2 or maybe , maybe 3 player then can step out space the floor and create his shot or hit the J - we don’t need anymore 4’s or 5’s - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 I wouldn’t call a top 100 kid who will be here 4 years or possibly redshirting for a 5th year, settling.
And it’s the off-season and it’s slow right now so it’s fun to speculate. I would think it’s time to take a deep breath. At this point, taking a 13th player is a huge luxury so I don’t care if it is a guard or a post player.
We won’t know anything for sure until the 30th, so people are just killing some time. It’s a forum and none of us are journalists. I have no problem with anyone creating fun things to talk about.
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@Kcmatt7 I can’t imagine Bill winning with a player ranked merely 76th playing let alone starting.
rummages through dossiers
Frank Mason #118
Vick #81
Graham #99
Svi #239
Landen #239
Marcus Morris #113
Markieff Morris #118
Never seen it before, so I really don’t see it starting now.
@jayballer73 no malice just having fun.
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@BShark I thought the Morri were ranked 35 to 45
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dylans said:
@BShark I thought the Morri were ranked 35 to 45
I’m going with 247 composite. They might have been that high on one service.
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@BShark It’s all good. - - as they say different strokes for different folks. - I quickly realized like you say not trying malice - just a little fun poke.
However poking fun or not I and several others that we have had this discussion say the same - - We are recruiting Romeo for a specific need/position that’s someone who is versitale and can knock down the outside jumper - something that has be mentioned repeatedly that is going to be more of a need this upcoming season. - - - If he doesn’t commit - - so what? - -doesn’t mean we have to just sign anybody just to have as some say that THIRDTEENTH roster player. - There is nothing wrong with what so ever to hang on to that scholarship . - -Twelve players - - 13 players with or without Romeo depth will not be the issue this upcoming season as was the case this past season.
Again was mentioned people doesn’t care what position player or not it’s a 13th player - - -that’s crazy just to add someone to be the 13th player. - -We are set in front and in back - Romeo was more that quote - -unquote final piece type of player that we are hoping for to fit with all the others that can help us take that final step - - Adding a 13th player just to have the 13th player makes no sense - - are they going to be that final piece to help us make that final step? - - I’ll answer it for ya - -a resounding no. - Again for some reason sounds like there is some people in here that seem to think hanging onto that last scholarship is a crime.- - Hell if they wanting to hand it out that bad let me limp down there I’ll take it and I’LL be that final piece lmao.-
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@jayballer73 Agree that Harris is not a subsitute for Romeo. I think he’d be more of a take if Doke goes.
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I will play devil’s advocate and ask, if you think taking this players is so ridiculous and far fetched, why even bring it up? Why not just ignore it like the many other silly rumors that are out there all the time? Just askin’…
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@BShark Ya, I could see that a lot more, and on top the hopefully not but the scenario that Silvio would for some reason be deemed to lose his Amateur status- that would make a lot more sense. The whole just of my conversation is based purely on people just starting to throw names - - any names out talking about as a backup plan if Romeo doesn’t commit - and I think that’s kind of over the top . - - I mean if your going to do that then at least have some kind of source - -reliable source that can back the name up that they are throwing out other then well like a friend of mine who has a friend that has a friend of a friend that has supposedly inside sources from a friend - ya know - - I mean that’s not good. lol
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@JayHawkFanToo to which I’ll answer for the same reason others do.–A lot of times you might see the title of the thread and sounds interesting enough then you open it and see this - If we - including yourself ignored every so called quote unquote silly rumor/thread there would be no forum
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@jayballer73 Bill Self just isn’t one to hang on to a scholarship. I would agree with you, but the reality is that Bill uses all 13 if he can.
K and Cal routinely hold on to scholarships so they don’t have players blocking youngsters in the future. We choose to try and get experienced guys and develop them. It is all how you look at it.
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You missed my point. You found what you yourself thought was a ridiculous rumor in another forum, why then bring it to our forum and increase the ridiculessnees when there are lots of more realist rumblings out there?
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Sounds like we are going to find out who the mystery player is.
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BShark said:
Sounds like we are going to find out who the mystery player is.
Really?! Dang. I assume that means it has leaked RL to IU.
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RockkChalkk said:
BShark said:
Sounds like we are going to find out who the mystery player is.
Really?! Dang. I assume that means it has leaked RL to IU.
IU probably leads but nothing is done.
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@BShark - -WELP now it seems like you say we are about to find out who this mystery 13th player might be AND now makes more sense as to why. - -Precaution and covering the ol butt because just in Case Doke does decide to go ahead and stay in this makes more sense to be checking out the big boys Bassey and such - however when it’s all said and done I think Doke is back
Unless he goes over sea’s which is always a possibility - -but with him not hiring an agent I think he tests if he doesn’t like what he hears then he comes back for another year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Wasn’t sure how to post a link, but I think this works. New article about Calapari meeting with NBA PA to discuss getting rid of the 1 & done and also a combine for HS Juniors which I actually really like.
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@Woodrow lol even he is now tired of the culture he himself created at UK.
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@Kcmatt7 I agree.
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Keyonte Kennedy has said KU along with a number of other schools has reached out to him after de-committing from Xavier.
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Well good to finally hear the staff is working. This makes it seem like it is 99.9% done to IU now.
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And the mystery player most likely.
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I sure hope it isn’t this Keonte Kennedy that was thrown out - -now see if this would be the case then that’s would be exactly what to me what I was talking about. - - That makes it look more like Coach just looking for a body - -any body to fill the roster.
As I stated before unless he could get a kid that could come in and benefit us properly then we would be better off just hanging on to the spot. -I mean I have nothing against this kid if that’s who it would be BUT being ranked # 229 in the Nation and the 54th best SG - I just don’t get that to use our opening at this point – I just can’t believe that he could help our need enough at this point - -SAVE IT - to me that would be a waste of a scholarship and tie it up for years unless they ended up running him off the following year because of better possibilities - and that wouldn’t be right either. - - there is nothing wrong with hanging on to it if we can’t find the right one. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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https://247sports.com/Player/Barry-Brown-67904/high-school-119540
https://247sports.com/Player/Sviatoslav-Mykhailiuk-63318/high-school-110673
https://247sports.com/Player/Caris-Levert-23073/high-school-36737
https://247sports.com/Player/OG-Anunoby-34775/high-school-56746
https://247sports.com/Player/Victor-Oladipo-14674/high-school-2649
https://247sports.com/Player/Alec-Burks-59632/high-school-103790
Just a few examples…
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Bill does not sit on scholarships. He has proven this over and over again. I agree, I would love to see him sit on scholarships. But he is a traditional guy and he would rather have another body than an empty chair. Just the way he is.
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Players are needed not just for games but also for practice; I know sometimes they use student managers to get bodies when they are short.
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@BShark AND if I were a betting man and wanting to spend more time I would be will to bet that for every ONE that you try to justify with - I could give you THREE that were busts - - and spent 3/4 of their time end up riding the pine.
However like a fiend of mine brought up - -really no need to put much credence in any of these mystery names being thrown out and till we see solid evidence that Coach Self has been seen by reliable source as actually recruiting ANY type of mystery player. - -Right now all we have is people throwing out a bunch of names. - Like my friends said also in the article this kid didn’t really bring KU that much into the topic.
Until it’s been confirmed that Coach Self is actually recruiting these kids then - -pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst. - -Easy to toss names out, nobody other then Self really knows for sure other then that it’s all speculation
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Kcmatt7 said:
Bill does not sit on scholarships. He has proven this over and over again. I agree, I would love to see him sit on scholarships. But he is a traditional guy and he would rather have another body than an empty chair. Just the way he is.
Correct. From what I understand Self is pretty honest with them too. He’s not telling them you’re going to come in and start. It’s going to be a battle.
His batting average on late additions is pretty decent.
I did find it interesting that the staff seems to think Agbaji can contribute right away. I still think he’s going to be near the bottom of the guards next season.
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jayballer73 said:
@BShark AND if I were a betting man and wanting to spend more time I would be will to bet that for every ONE that you try to justify with - I could give you THREE that were busts - - and spent 3/4 of their time end up riding the pine.
However like a fiend of mine brought up - -really no need to put much credence in any of these mystery names being thrown out and till we see solid evidence that Coach Self has been seen by reliable source as actually recruiting ANY type of mystery player. - -Right now all we have is people throwing out a bunch of names. - Like my friends said also in the article this kid didn’t really bring KU that much into the topic.
Until it’s been confirmed that Coach Self is actually recruiting these kids then - -pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst. - -Easy to toss names out, nobody other then Self really knows for sure other then that it’s all speculation
No that’s the point…they aren’t busts… Kids like Malik Newman who are top 10 and but up bad numbers at MSST, that’s a bust.
It’s worth filling out the roster even if the conversion rate on late low ranked additions is only 25%.
I’m torn on how to count Milton Doyle for Self. He never contributed for KU but he was a very good player and I was sad he didn’t stick it out in Lawrence. Maybe count him as a half, lol.
Anyway Self going back to 2011 class late signings only which I will quantify as after the season. I’m also not counting late additions like Josh Jackson, for obvious reasons. I really had to go back to 2011 for more data points. Even Lucas, though lowly ranked was a November commit.
Lagerald Vick
Devonte Graham
Svi
Naadir Tharpe
Braeden Anderson
Mervyn Lindsay
So Self is batting .667 on late wildcard additions somewhat recently. And you have to go back to 2011 to find bad ones. Not too bad really.
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All that said, I haven’t seen anything to indicate Kansas is going after him hard at all.
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@BShark Must really think he can play D and shoot well enough from 3. It is definitely a good thing if it happens… I’m skeptical too though.
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Wiggins and Selby signed real late too. But so did the stache’. Kevin Young was picked up late in the recruiting cycle. Was Wesley a late addition as well?
Was the other junk big that couldn’t play the Braedon Anderson year Peters? Or was it a desperation signinging too?
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@dylans Peters was actually a really early commit. Dunno about Wesley. Wasn’t counting obvious high level players like Selby and Wiggins. You are right about Young and Whitman but they are transfers so I didn’t include them in this.
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@BShark Still examples that Bill sure as hell isn’t going to sit on a scholly.
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@BShark your bringing up names but NONE of these that you mentioned were rated as low as this kid, your not convincing me that a kid that is the 54th best shooting guard is going to be help a major D-1 school enough to benefit using the scholarship sorry just not.
Just like with Bill adapting his offense to the type of players he has had after the Quote unquote that’s just not Bill Self - -well Bill adapted to his players - -So now very likely he needs to change his stance IF that’s HIS STANCE - time to change about not holding on - -instead of filling a spot just to fill a spot - this kid can not help IF he happened to be the one - which I don’t think he really is - -BUT IF he was - -that is not a good move. - -My opinion - -you have yours
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@jayballer73 I don’t know that he is vouching for the specific player as much as the staffs ability to identify a piece that can in fact contribute at some point.
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jayballer73 said:
@BShark your bringing up names but NONE of these that you mentioned were rated as low as this kid, your not convincing me that a kid that is the 54th best shooting guard is going to be help a major D-1 school enough to benefit using the scholarship sorry just not.
Just like with Bill adapting his offense to the type of players he has had after the Quote unquote that’s just not Bill Self - -well Bill adapted to his players - -So now very likely he needs to change his stance IF that’s HIS STANCE - time to change about not holding on - -instead of filling a spot just to fill a spot - this kid can not help IF he happened to be the one - which I don’t think he really is - -BUT IF he was - -that is not a good move. - -My opinion - -you have yours
Svi was ranked 239th overall and the 59th SG https://kansas.247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/Commits
and as I read the thread I see @BShark already posted that
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Kcmatt7 said:
@jayballer73 I don’t know that he is vouching for the specific player as much as the staffs ability to identify a piece that can in fact contribute at some point.
It’s a lot of things. Definitely what you said in that staff definitely doesn’t like to leave open scholarships. Also rankings miss guys for a number of reasons. I just think it’s best to fill the scholarships if you can especially when the staff has shown they can succeed developing lower ranked players. It’s extremely low risk because if it doesn’t work out they can always transfer to a level better suited for their abilities.
I’m not vouching for this particular kid yet. I’ll check out what I can of him on youtube if KU offers.
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I seem to recall a low ranked recruit that was slated to attend Towson and another one headed to Apalachia State and they worker out pretty well. Also, Coach Self has in the past given available scholarships to walkons such as Tehan, Wesley and Young instead of bringing new players.
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@BShark Yes, Peters was signed early. I just couldn’t remember if it was him or Lucas that signed that year. (Wasn’t Lucas late ?) If it was Landon I recant my junk big statement, even if others wouldn’t. Lol
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Whatever happened to Peters after his concussion and he left UA?
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@Gorilla72 This is all I know http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2014/05/02/arizona-forward-zach-peters-ends-basketball-career-due-to-medical-issues/
I thought maybe he played somewhere else later, but I don’t see anything to support that.
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@dylans - that’s as far as I got too. Thanks!
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He actually did quit playing basketball afaik.
@dylans I thought so too but all the stuff I found on Lucas said he committed in November. Lucas was definitely a back-up plan though.
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@BShark Maybe late shouldn’t just be defined by the calendar so much as the recruiting cycle. If almost all the known good players are signed, it’s late!
November 13th is not late at all. Lucas definitely doesn’t count.
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dylans said:
@BShark Maybe late shouldn’t just be defined by the calendar so much as the recruiting cycle. If almost all the known good players are signed, it’s late!
November 13th is not late at all. Lucas definitely doesn’t count.
If you judge late as missing on other targets and then settling Lucas and Mason are part of the equation.
