Are we done recruiting?
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@jayballer54 Hurt is a 2019 recruit. Can’t take officials yet so time still hasn’t come for his official visits. KU is still recruiting him. Good connections in the area. Staff wants him, JRE and Chandler but can they pull all three? Hard to say but I’d bet no. If I had to bet I’d say Chandler and JRE are Hawks, Hurt goes elsewhere. Hurt is the best player of the three though.
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@BShark Ya I just can’t imagine getting Hurt with us getting Chandler & Robinson - -just being hearing that we weren’t as involved as of late. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Looks like KU will recruit him until he eliminates KU or commits.
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jayballer54 said:
@BShark Ya I just can’t imagine getting Hurt with us getting Chandler & Robinson - -just being hearing that we weren’t as involved as of late. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I think we stopped recruiting him
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BShark said:
@jayballer54 Hurt is a 2019 recruit. Can’t take officials yet so time still hasn’t come for his official visits. KU is still recruiting him. Good connections in the area. Staff wants him, JRE and Chandler but can they pull all three? Hard to say but I’d bet no. If I had to bet I’d say Chandler and JRE are Hawks, Hurt goes elsewhere. Hurt is the best player of the three though.
I think Chandler and JRE are a much better fit then Hurt is in a KU uniform. Hurt compares to Sam Dekker without the defense. I’m surprised he’s ranked as highly as he is but to his credit he’s a matchup nightmare for defenders at the HS level to stop. In College he’s going to face guys his size that can defend him and Hurt’s major weakness at the moment besides weight/strength is his defense. If your not a good defender already at this stage your going to struggle at the next level. Hurt should focus on becoming a College 3 which is where I believe his long term success will come. If he lands at KU I fear this goes just like Carlton Bragg 2.0, trying to force a jump shooter to bang in the post.
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@BeddieKU23 Fair point. Not sure he’s a great fit for the college game then. Would be tough for him to defend college wings.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Fair point. Not sure he’s a great fit for the college game then. Would be tough for him to defend college wings.
I think he’s a great fit in certain schemes/programs. The College Game is all about offense these days anyway so maybe I’m just overthinking it. I would love to have his ability to score at KU. Long term- I see Kyle Wiltjer in him who was a highly touted HS kid and became a prolific scorer through his College Career.
We have a big wave of scorers leaving the program in the next year so its going to be important that KU lands difference makers in 2019 as well. Hurt is certainly a difference maker in a good class that KU has done a ton of early leg work.
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@BeddieKU23 I think he could be a great College 4. From what I’ve read, Hurt scores the ball efficiently inside and rebounds well. He also brings a 35% shot from trey to the table to top it off.
TBH, doesn’t a guy who is a stretch 4 with near wing-like athleticism fit exactly what college bball/Bill Self is moving towards? As long as he can slide his feet and they don’t look like they are tied to Cinder Blocks like Carlton’s were, I think he will be a very good player. CB had the lateral quickness of a crocodile and the leg strength of a newborn baby which led to an inability to get open. You have to have at least one of those things (strength or quickness) to be able to score at the college level and he had neither. So, providing Hurt has the ability to move his feet, I think he can probably be a guy who scores at 3 levels.
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He’s a versatile player who’s greatest value and the reason he’s ranked highly is because right now there are few that can guard him at his size and skill right now. His jump shot is real nice and can shoot over the top of almost anyone. He won’t wow you athletically or for his ability to defend the post (which is why I think he’s a version of Sam Dekker and Kyle Wiltjer at the same stage). Very polished skill wise offensively, has that new age inside/out game that is coveted. Needs a good S&D program badly (good thing we know of one)
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Kyle Wiltjer numbers got much better once he got to Gonzaga; much better set up for his skills than Kentucky
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Kyle Wiltjer numbers got much better once he got to Gonzaga; much better set up for his skills than Kentucky
Very true, he realized after that NC year he was going to have to go somewhere else to have the role he wanted and Gonzaga definitely gave him that opportunity.
Hurt has a very similar game to the guys I mentioned and he badly needs a good S&D program to put weight on his frame. There’s no way he shouldn’t be playing at 215-220 at least at 6’9. Ranked in the Top 10 right now, I think he’ll be around in College a lot longer then his ranking suggest. Seems to be only intersted in the big elite schools (besides the home school Minnesota)
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Well looks as if Williamson has cut UCLA, - -now Duke - -Kentucky - -KU - - Clemson - -& South Carolina. - -I still just don’t think he lands here -Oh and North Carolina - -I don’t think that’s happening - -think it’s a 3 t4eam race - -Kentucky - -Duke & KU - -I still just think he is Kentucky bound - BUT you never know. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Kentucky or KU. I’d lean towards Kentucky. He isn’t going to Duke to share the spotlight with Barrett.
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Still plenty of work to do. Looking out at the future, we really need to land a SG/SF for next season no matter what.
On top of that, we need to either land a transfer guard or a 4 year guard project with one of our remaining scholarships.
We could also really use a project 4 year big man to round out this class. I think we will probably be too deep at the 4/5 positions to land a top end transfer, but I’d also take that if one were willing and available.
I really like the transfer movement we have used lately. Mainly because you are landing a guy who’s only option is to bust his ass here because he can’t transfer again until he graduates. To me, that is very appealing. I hope Bill continues this trend as I think a Transfer at the end of your bench is probably going to be a better player in the future than a 100+ ranked guy that you aren’t in love with and are just offering because you need a body. So, I’d love for Self to keep a lookout for a sharp shooter transfer at SG/SF this season/offseason as well as another Big Man ranked around 60-75 with some upside.
None of this includes Langford or Zion yet, but I will update it when I feel it is necessary and get good vibes that we will land them or another recruit.
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@Kcmatt7 Better put Grimes as PG, that’s what he is being recruited as. I’d also say Garrett is flexible, can easily play 2g if needed. Grimes makes it all work next year.
I think Grimes and two developmental additions is the most likely scenario.
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@BShark No arguments. I guess this is more about who these players will be guarding/starting. Grimes may or may not play on the ball. But he will be guarding the 2 guard unless we see a lineup with him at PG, Garret at SG and Langford/Zion/Vick at the 3.
Self did make some comments during the Late Night broadcast mentioning that he actually thinks he will play Moore off the ball quite a bit. Perhaps he could put Grimes at PG when Dotson is out and have Moore out there as a very good secondary ball handler.
Anywho, I really just like the way the staff has recruited this season so far. Made some guys priorities and landed them. And, it looks like they feel good about Grimes and either Langford or Zion since we haven’t really heard a new name pop up besides Herro. I think they are pretty happy with how things have shaken out after landing the 3 guys we have landed and at this point just want to finish out the class. Makes more sense to prioritize the 3 or 4 guys who are left and then see what is left out there once those pieces fall off the board.
At this point, no recruiting news seems like good recruiting news for us.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark No arguments. I guess this is more about who these players will be guarding/starting. Grimes may or may not play on the ball. But he will be guarding the 2 guard unless we see a lineup with him at PG, Garret at SG and Langford/Zion/Vick at the 3.
Self did make some comments during the Late Night broadcast mentioning that he actually thinks he will play Moore off the ball quite a bit. Perhaps he could put Grimes at PG when Dotson is out and have Moore out there as a very good secondary ball handler.
Anywho, I really just like the way the staff has recruited this season so far. Made some guys priorities and landed them. And, it looks like they feel good about Grimes and either Langford or Zion since we haven’t really heard a new name pop up besides Herro. I think they are pretty happy with how things have shaken out after landing the 3 guys we have landed and at this point just want to finish out the class. Makes more sense to prioritize the 3 or 4 guys who are left and then see what is left out there once those pieces fall off the board.
At this point, no recruiting news seems like good recruiting news for us.
I think Dotson and Grimes will be like Frank and DTae, with Dotson being in the Frank role. Of course, Grimes is big for a guard, he has Selden type size.
I think you put Grimes on the opposing PG/primary handler, if you can place Dotson elsewhere safely.
Grimes will be announcing very soon. Before KU’s first actual game of the season probably.
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@BShark I’d like to put a 6’5 guard on the ball defensively… I wonder what his wingspan is
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’d like to put a 6’5 guard on the ball defensively… I wonder what his wingspan is
I think around 6’7. Not long for a guy his size.
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KU’s class is currently ranked #2 according to Rivals with a fair amount of recruiting yet to go. When it is all said and done, even if KU does not get anyone else, it will likely still be top 5. I would like to see a more inclusive class ranking that includes all incoming players including transfers; KU would have 1 additional 5-star in Dedrick and 2 4-star in Lawson and Moore and would probably be ranked #1.
A lot less hand wringing than last year, no question about it.
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Grimes, now 17 years old, measured 6-3 barefoot with a 204-pound frame and a 6-7 wingspan in Colorado Springs. His most recent measurement at Nike Camp. So 6’4ish with shoes with 6’7 wingspan.
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Love the recruiting so far. We might land 4 guys before the November Signing period. That’s more then we’ve landed combined in years it seems. Very pleased what they have accomplished so far in this class
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Well interesting. - -Read where Zion is going to take his official to N Carolina now this weekend now instead of UCLA seeing as how he eliminated them, - -4th time been there in last 2 yrs I think the article said. - -May be more of a player then what I thought. - -Still think he lands at Kentucky though. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Can’t imagine North Carolina is a serious option for him with Little signed for them. Unless they convince him to play the 4 which they definitely could use an upgrade at
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BeddieKU23 said:
Can’t imagine North Carolina is a serious option for him with Little signed for them. Unless they convince him to play the 4 which they definitely could use an upgrade at
I wouldn’t of thought much about it either other then the fact of location. - -with him even considering S Carolina - -Clemson possibly consideration for staying back in that area , would be the only thing I would think of. - -Again I still just think he has a Kentucky feel to him in the end. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.
I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I’ll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.
I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I’ll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Staff wants both.
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BShark said:
jayballer54 said:
Well guess I was way off base or something. I sure thought we were out of the race or had back off Matthew Hurt. Read that the entire staff paid Hurt a visit Monday after seeing Grimes a well.
I just feel with all we will have in 2019 just not sure where Hurt fits in. I think it would come down to either we get Hurt - OR Robinson Earl. - -Which one would you rather have? - - I’ll take Earl thanks , maybe not quite the scorer as Hurt but I think better defender - -better rebounder - -better defensive inside presence. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Staff wants both.
With what other players we are likely to have , our front line is going to be loaded in 2019 will there be minutes for both if they commit. - - Your looking at probably still McCormack - - -De-Sousa - - - Lightfoot - -and one of the Lawsons if not two right? - - then you add Robinson Earl - -& Hurt? - - that’s a lot. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don’t think Dedric would still be around.
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BShark said:
@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don’t think Dedric would still be around.
Ok I’m going to ask the dumb question now cause I honestly don’t know which is which. - -We have 2 lawsons right now right? - we have Dedric of who you mention which I agree he is probably gone wasn’t he the one that was like a double guy? - -Then don’t we also have KJ is that right - -not sure if that is the right name or not 0 - -but wouldn’t he still be here along with Chandler? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer54 Recruiting Hurt as a wing. JRE is a post guy. Chandler is kind of a hybrid. I do agree it would be tough to pull all three. Likely SDS and McCormack still on the roster. Don’t think Dedric would still be around.
Ok I’m going to ask the dumb question now cause I honestly don’t know which is which. - -We have 2 lawsons right now right? - we have Dedric of who you mention which I agree he is probably gone wasn’t he the one that was like a double guy? - -Then don’t we also have KJ is that right - -not sure if that is the right name or not 0 - -but wouldn’t he still be here along with Chandler? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KJ is the one you are okay with having because the others are sooooo good. He has a bit of that dog in him though, which will help him see the court.
I think he will graduate from KU. Don’t see him going pro early.
I also think he will be okay with being a back-up if necessary.
Maybe I am totally wrong though, we will find out.
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@BShark So then we will have KJ and Chandler right? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BShark So then we will have KJ and Chandler right? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Extremely likely.
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There is potential to have all 3, but I’m pretty confident Dedric is doing his two years and peacing out.
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Kcmatt7 said:
There is potential to have all 3, but I’m pretty confident Dedric is doing his two years and peacing out.
This makes the most sense. Many were surprised he didn’t just go pro.
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@BShark We should be thanking the Basketball Gods that he could only post a 22" vertical at the combine lol.
I hope Doke comes back so bad. Those two together… Fuhgetaboutit. We are talking a top 5 defense with above average length and athleticism at 3-4 starting positions. 7 blocks per game. Rebounding would be at a level we may have never seen before under Self.
Dreams…
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@Kcmatt7 Doke/Dedric/SDS/McCormack would possibly be the best ever front court under Self. What is the standard there? 2008? Or is it actually 2010.
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Interesting comments from Self about Doke. I think 1st round guarantee will be hard for him to get but we’ll see. His play on the court is obviously going to drive his stock one way or the other.
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Unless he’s awful, he’s gone. Protect the merchandise.
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Damn, just saw where Meyer is picking Langford to go to Indiana, that sucks. - They got pretty huge lead now like 71% - -to 14% - -We might miss both - -Williamson AND Langford both. - -was hoping we could of landed one of the two. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Long way to go for Langford. He’s visiting this weekend, and like we saw with Dave and Silvio, it can change everything.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Long way to go for Langford. He’s visiting this weekend, and like we saw with Dave and Silvio, it can change everything.
Ya - -seems like the distance is getting wider by the minute. - -IT IS a good thing I think that we got the last visit - -time will tell, we really need to hit him hard this weekend - don’t leave anything, let it loose and let it fly. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Looks like Indiana put themselves in the drivers seat for Langford especially from what his coach said. Interesting, Indiana is close to home for him.
Logistically I’m still trying to figure out how they will do it. They have 5 kids committed right now which fills up all their scholarships. They have signed 2 Top 100 wings and will have 7 scholarship perimeter players on the roster next season. Crowded situation. Maybe they are selling him on the SG position, they could use an upgrade at that position after losing guys.
The one thing KU has going for them is they have recruited him for a while now. Indiana’s staff might be impressing him now buts it new and they haven’t been after him as long as KU has. We’ll see if that plays any factor.
Slater saying it will be a business decision is also a telling advantage to KU.
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@BeddieKU23 Well just strictly from the CB standpoint - -looking like they have a really good chance of landing Langford AND Darius Garland both - -lot of movement for Garland recent which I find interesting too. - -Again I think it could be big that w got the last visit , although he is close in Indiana so he could always visit there AGAIN no problem.
I just feel we need to really get after him this weekend put the hammer down and try and close this. - -Maybe not getting the verbal this weekend obviously but you know what I’m saying - -close it up - -leave nothing undone. - -Will be interesting to see what kind of CB movement there is if any after the visit this weekend seeing as how this is his last visit. - If it continues to show Indiana after with no signs about us - could smell trouble we shall see. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Archie Miller is perhaps the best coach of the younger group and Indiana still carries a huge clout in the upper Mid West. The idea of being part of the group that brings one of the more storied programs back to its glory days can be very attractive to players. Indiana used to be true basketball royalties until it fell on hard times but looks like it is getting ready to move up again. Stevens and Miller are the two coaches I would have liked to be considered to follow Coach Self but it seems unlikely now, particularly if Miller does well at Indiana.
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Langford will be a Spring commit I think.
I do think we will find out a lot on Nov. 10 when Barrett decides. He will be the first domino in what I think will be quite a series. Barrett could basically eliminate Duke or UK from Zion contention. Making Zion decide soon after. Zion’s decision could change Langford’s if he picks KU. Which will surely change some decisions for some lower ranked guys once the blue bloods show some interest because they didn’t land the Zion sweepstakes.
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Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough.
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BShark said:
Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough. I think we are in pretty good shape there as far as Grimes. - - Even if we don’t get any one else period - -that 4 man class is a pretty damn good class. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Grimes, hopeful Vick return and see what happens with the fbi investigation, maybe some nice transfers.
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BShark said:
Just gimme Grimes and two scrubs or bank the schollies. 11 eligible players is enough.
I’m still greedy. Langford is gettable after he visits this weekend. IU just blew him away last weekend apparently. I want one more 5*, then I’ll be happy with the class and we can focus on either transfers after mid-season or developmental guys.
