Yes, this is the worst Kansas has ever been in football
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@nuleafjhawk The money would also be needed to replace all the Big 12 logos and flags with whatever small conference we end up in…
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@mayjay Yeah, I know. But i’m frustrated.
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@nuleafjhawk Free cotton candy!!!
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Most of the younger posters probably don’t remember the 1987 game between KU and KSU and aptly labeled the “Toilet Bowl” because KU had one win and KSU was winless and the game ended in a tie. The upcoming game against Baylor is looking like a repeat of the “Toilet Bowl.”
Here is a description of that game…
1987: The Toilet Bowl
The lone tie during the Governor’s Cup era took place on November 7, 1987, in Manhattan, and is the most infamous game in the history of the series. Termed “The Toilet Bowl” and “The Futility Bowl” by national commentators, the game featured 1–7 KU and 0–8 K-State. The contest lived down to expectations and resulted in a 17–17 tie, which was secured when Kansas blocked a field goal at the end of the game.[7][8] Following the tie, both teams lost their last two games of the season. KU coach Bob Valesente was fired following the season. His counterpart Stan Parrish kept his job, but did not make it past 1988 after the Wildcats posted an 0–11 campaign to extend a winless streak to 28 games. Parrish’s dismissal led to the hiring of Bill Snyder, who would shift the direction of the series in favor of the Wildcats.
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@nuleafjhawk Football still generates twice the money basketball does for the athletic department. KU football may suck, but it’s still funding the rest of the athletic department’s non revenue sports.
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I keep telling people that and they just don’t believe it, they think basketball generates the majority of income.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Wait - I upvoted your post, but HOW does football generate more money? KU doesn’t give away basketball tickets or concessions and the 16,300 people that show up for EVERY home game stay and spend money. Ninety percent of the 10,000 that show up for football leave at or waaaaaaaaaaaaay before halftime. I’m not a math scholar, but i don’t get it.
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@nuleafjhawk But if they charge the football players for admission to the stadium, too, that would represent what, a 5% increase in attendance?
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@nuleafjhawk It’s not money based upon merit. It’s based upon being a football team in the Big12 and the money that is (thankfully) evenly distributed even though KU hasn’t carried it’s weight in years. Ridiculous, but true. Also making the $ divide worse is the NCAA keeps most of the money from the NCAA tournament.
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@nuleafjhawk The TV deal for football is massive and dwarfs the basketball deal. Football still has more people in the stadium those than basketball so ticket revenue is comparable because of the lower prices tickets. It also doesn’t matter if someone leaves after the 1st play or stays the whole game, they still had to pay the same amount to enter the stadium.
Mainly it’s the TV deal that generates a massive amount of money for KU each year, $30+ million based on what the Big 12 said about revenues last year. Basketball doesn’t come anywhere near that.
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Kansas football makes considerablely more money than basketball, 34 million dollars just in TV revenue. Plus Beaty gets paid a third of what Self does, KU actually averages just over 30,000 in attendance for the year with the KSU game being the biggest crowd in 2 years with just over 36,000.
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Awesome run by Cole moos!!!
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Oh hello there bad KU defense.
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@BShark and getting worse
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We need to score
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KU cannot complete plays when they need to. They have failed to complete at every critical time and had to settle for field goals.
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Still unable to complete plays when it counts. The 3 FG could have easily been TDs if a few critical plays were completed. Red zone offense non-existing.
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@JayHawkFanToo we are still in this game
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Not anymore
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Today is why Stanley isn’t the answer at QB. His arm isn’t strong enough for this offense and his accuracy is atrocious.
Stanley gets far too much credit for the UT upset last year. KU beat Texas last year solely because of the defense forcing 6 turnovers. KU won that game in spite of Stanley, not because of him.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 get him out!
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I’m curious about the attendance today. All I could see on television was the bowl and student section, which I estimated to be about 2,000. I don’t pay any attention to the announced attendance. I paid for a ticket for my daughter, but she’s at home today.
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@stoptheflop pics were were bad! Did you see Wainrights td?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I missed Wainright’s TD. I really can’t watch much of Beaty’s folly. Kansas Football: The futility is infuriating.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya Ya Ya we know Stanley sucks right - -I get it you have made it perfectly clear - -just a little FYI - -the WHOLE TEAM SUCKS - - not just STANLEY - - BENDER SUCKS TOO hope you understand that also – you like the passes he made when HE DID come in - -really sweet, we have beat this fricken horse to death
We know what’s coming next - -the same BS - - fire the Coach right? like reading some DE-STRUCTIONS - -read above and repeat - - -2-3 yrs - -fire the Coach – -2-3 yrs - -fire the Coach - -2-3 yrs - -fire the coach - -we have gained a lot from that huh -nice foundation - - Shit if I were a recruit - -no way IN HELL would I ever consider coming here - -WHY - -cause hell I never know from one year to the next who the Coach is going to be. -We think players gong to come to this Cess Pool? - - -please.
What’s the answer? - - -F - - - I don’t know - -does anyone? - - There is no defending - -Beaty -There is no defending Stanley today - -We have NO QB that can play here - -no capable QB - -Guess Starks must of transferred -if not he should - -why waste away on this piece of crap? - -
What’s going to happen I don’t think there is any way in Hell Beaty can save his job - - Beaty will be out - - Bowen will be out - - Special teams will be out & Meacham will leave on his own
As far as Bender his pct completion is just as bad concrete feet he proved nothing while he was in either - -and don’t try to throw some sada excuse about throwing for over X amount of yards – what was the result of those yards? - -Wins? - -NOPE - -innerceptions - -YEP. Time for next man up period. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Will a new chancellor make a change? Dang, I’m doubting it.
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You have to stop getting yourself so worked up and taking things so personally…you are going to give yourself a heart attack.
We all have different opinion, sometimes we agree and some others we don’t; they are just opinions and nothing more.
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Well here is a little tid bit that ought to make your night go a little better - - - -38-38 at the half - - -Oklahoma & Oklahoma State - -almost 850 yds of offense between the two -Oklahoma with like 476 yds and Oklahoma St 400 Mayfield right at 400 yds passing in the 1st half - -The running back for Oklahoma state at like 140 yrs rushing in the 1st half – and here is the good news I promised would pic you up - -We still get to play both of these teams - -Yippee, - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 our worst nightmare is coming x2
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I am watching the OU-OSU game and it is a no holds barred shoot out. If they keep up the pace in the second half, they will break all kinds of records. Not much defense but fun game to watch.
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But here’s the redeeming part: win, or lose, all the players are still getting brain damage.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
But here’s the redeeming part: win, or lose, all the players are still getting brain damage.
We are already seeing youth participation drop off massively. Won’t be long now…
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@jaybate-1-0 @BShark ill have to see if I can find an article I read a few months back about a brain surgeon that lets his son play football and how he thinks the CTE is in high number of people who didn’t play football.
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Ive been extremely busy the past several days working on installing new floor in my house and going to a funeral. I listened to game while working yesterday, and Beaty has to go. Beaty is a fraud, the slicked back haired car salesman that sales the hard working family a junk car with no remorse. Look at all these Texas recruits we got signed!!! (0) Beaty played the system, got rich in doing so, now he’ll get a buyout and go be a WR coach somewhere.
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I don’t care about how much money we supposedly lose or what conference the basketball team winds up in. Drop. Football. Now.
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@nuleafjhawk Basketball will no longer be a blue blood if football is dropped and it will have a much more negative impact on the university than the football team being crappy.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Why do you believe that to be true? What positive impact does a terrible football team have on an incredible basketball program?
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@nuleafjhawk Look what’s happening to UConn in basketball now that they are no longer in a power conference. They are quickly losing relevance in basketball.
Dropping football means no longer in a major conference. That means reduced TV exposure which will have a very negative impact on recruiting. Instead of landing 5 and 4 star players, KU would landing mostly 3 star players with occasional 4 star players.
I’d much rather be embarrassed about the football team sucking than being embarrassed that KU quit football completely.
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You can’t drop football, don’t be crazy.
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stoptheflop said:
I’m curious about the attendance today. All I could see on television was the bowl and student section, which I estimated to be about 2,000. I don’t pay any attention to the announced attendance. I paid for a ticket for my daughter, but she’s at home today.
Article in the Star stated paid attendance as 21,797. As I noticed toward the end of the fourth quarter, it looked as if everyone in the main sections below the pressbox had left. I saw all the blue and realized those were empty seats, the blue seatbacks.
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nuleafjhawk said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Why do you believe that to be true? What positive impact does a terrible football team have on an incredible basketball program?
Self said back at the last CR seismic shudder that he is not a mid-major coach. If KU drops football, it would have to leave the Big 12, it would never gain an invitation to Big Ten or any other P5 conference, and Bill Self would leave. No football would have an even bigger negative impact on the university and basketball program than a horrible football program (which might still be negative enough to prevent the university moving to the Big Ten).
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That would be great. Look forward to it. Hope the research is methodologically sound. I loved football once. Would comeback to it if it were empirically verified safe in reproducible studies.
Have known a number surgeons that were pretty monomaniacal. Would be most impressive if the guy were. a neurosurgeon and asserted such.
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BShark said:
You can’t drop football, don’t be crazy.
I could in a blink.Zero loss. Football has seemed a net loser.
Suggestion: all the elite basketball schools should form a non football conference.
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I would really love to see track and field elevated to replace football. It’s a way better sport.
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…and so is soccer in the rest of the world but in this country football is still king. Funny thing is that football might not die because of the obvious medical risk but by the actions of the millionaire football players that feel they can antagonize the fan base with impunity and in the process kill the proverbial goose that laid the golden eggs.
Sometimes good things are the unexpected result of unlikely events. Capone went to jail, not for all the murders and other major crimes he committed, but for tax evasion. Likewise, football might come to an end, not because of the medical damage resulting from the brutality of the sport, but for the chutzpah of the players that make millions and who fail to realize that without football a fair number of them would be minimum wage workers.
Many reasonable people feel that boxing is an anachronism in today’s world and has no place in an evolved society and yet, we have come up with an even more violent form of the sport in the form of Mixed Martial Arts or Ultimate fighting. One has to wonder if we, as a society, have evolved or regressed.
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Football is king? Kneeling rich guys in cleats are going to bring down the brain damage game?
Me thinks it goes deeper.
And me thinks you sound a wee bit reminsicient of those colonists that were telling Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Hamilton, etc., “OMG! We can’t start our own country! We’ve been a colony for two centuries. Everything is set in stone. Nothing can change, guys, unless the British aristocracy gets too much syphillus and in an insane fit frees us. We can’t free ourselves, no way. A new country where life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness replaces bowing to a king and taxation without representation? Fuggedabout it you bunch of dreamers. I’m moving to Canada, where you can still curl in peace. You’ll get us all killed by second rate English generals.”
Um…
Track and field has been around for a couple thousand years! Football for little over a century. Summer olympics emphasize it. Almost every high school and university in America has a quarter mile track, jump and pole vault pits, and shot and discus aprons. Many argue we’re turning into a third world country economically and politically. Track and field is cheap. The Greeks competed naked. No uniforms needed. Just a colored sash. Some shoes. Piece of cake for a third world country. Petro helmets and petro pads and petro cleats and petro mouthpieces bare minimum. Outfitting a modern football player is almost as bad as suiting up a private in the Big Red One for some night fighting on an oil dome.
Football got a big underwrite from the robber barons looking for a way to pound a bunch of free men into soldiers willing to fight for empire expansion and exploitation after we false flagged the moribund Spanish Empire and took all their sugar cane islands (Puerto Rico, Cuba, a bunch of little rocks in the Caribbean, Guam, the Philippines and a bunch of other little rocks in the Pacific), pinched Hawaii from a hereditary King, or Queen, and a year later partitioned of American Samoa along with the Germans and Brits. Add them all together and we created the American sugar trust (aka Dominoe) and the maritime lines of communication needed to peddle enough Standard tins in the Americas, and Asia, to enable us to finish the Darien Ditch and call ourselves an empire deserving of a privately-owned central bank debt/currency cartel secured by Federal income tax in 1913-1914.
Football was only king as long as the robber barons wanted to pump it up with subsidies, broadcast monopolies, and controlled gaming, so that they could conform to factory protocols, administrate some colonials with a firm hand (and some water boarding), and field armies with some swag.
Well, guess what? The robber barons moved the industries to Asia. The colonies administrate themselves now. And the armies are no longer huge citizen armies. They are all volunteer and may soon migrate heavily to robots and AI systems. The swag is still needed, but the culture’s institutions are now so heavily militarized that we hardly need football to ready young men’s and women’s minds for soldiering. And their bodies? How many special forces do we really need? So much of the rest of military employment can be done by soft bodies and techie minds that, well, ballet might be enough to toughen them for the task these days. TV can shape a kid to volunteer without need for a coach figure. Oh, and the TV networks fragged from internet competition. Not slighting our guys and gals in uniform right now. Talkin’ 'bout the near future.
NWO baby. Boys and girls with head chips and embedded medical systems and limb augmentation tech that together can make a woman as formidable as a man in combat, given the weapons of today.Women may even make BETTER augmented soldiers, because they arguably have a higher tolerance for pain and privation due to millenia of suffering child birth and giving up the milk to the hungry young. Not certain. But maybe. Who needs football!!!
Of course, football CAN EASILY be jettisoned in USA. Just gotta wait to burn off some sunk costs, and for the next wave of Plunge Protection Team untraceable bailout monies to underwrite the migration from brain damage ball to track and field.
Heck, to really take identity politics the last ten yards to the goal line, TPTB actually may want to frag football players into victim groups of linemen, backs and specialty teamers and atomize the whole sport so that attack adds can better mobilize and energize and optimize into a winning constituency.
This is the brave new world, @JayHawkFanToo.
The NWO and its Deep State wants to break down families, and religions, and parties and online communities. Gender bending and transforming is now. They want to break down anything that might coalesce into a credible opposition. You know that!!!
We are talking Borg-ism here.
All human organizations are to be broken down into individuals and then connected not with coaches and huddles, but with in-head chips and microwave communications disseminating at least the illusion of orchestrated trauma events chased with pleasure and suggestion.
Football??? Its so 20th Century, dude.
TPTB can simulate a football season with FX, or robots, or some combination, much cheaper and easier than with bio units that are head injuries waiting to happen and class action suits looming.
Track and field is ideally suited to the 21st and 22rd Centuries.
Everyone in Track and Field is an individual competing as an individual with points tallied independently into a team score.
This IS the NWO baby!
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All that nonsense and still could not refute that in America football is still king. I don’t watch football that much and even less so now, but it is silly to argue that football is not the number one sport in our country, whether you like it or not.
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@jaybate-1-0 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html
