Who starts for Kansas at QB
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m just not expecting major improvements. I’m going to expect mistakes. I just would rather them be 30 yards downfield instead. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t see us turning the ball over less than 30 times this season. So lets at least air it out if we are going to turn the ball over regardless.
I mean it all depends on what Meachem’s scheme does for us. If he can help alleviate turnovers, that is a huge help. I just think between fumbles and INTs we are good for 3 turnovers a game. But who knows, maybe Bender can really play.
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@Kcmatt7 You don’t throw the ball down field for the sake of throwing it down field. There has to be a reason to do so. The offense is better than a year ago so there’s no logical reason why turnovers should go up this year.
That’s why the Chiefs win so many games every year. Alex Smith doesn’t turn the ball over. The Chiefs offense is far from the most talented and Alex Smith isn’t a top QB, but they’re effective because they protect the football.
Brady and Meacham have to call plays to limit turnovers and not take away scoring opportunities from the offense and not force the defense on the field even more than they were last year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Assuming a better offense will make us turn the ball over less is a dangerous assumption. We will probably score more points this year. Doesn’t mean we won’t average 3 turnovers a game.
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@Kcmatt7 one would think we could improve from being dead last in that category returning just about everyone as we do. Most players get better with experience.
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@kjayhawks I think it will be from less fumbles if we improve turnovers.
We threw 15TDs to 22INTs last year. Kind of expect a ratio more like 30TDs to 22INTs this season. That would be a huge improvement and would certainly allow us to be in more games. If we have something like 15 TDs and 10 INTs we will still get curb stomped every week of conference play except the ISU game.
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@Kcmatt7 No it’s not because if they’re still turning the ball over 3 times a game this year, that’s flat out not an improved offense over last year.
Reducing turnovers has to be the absolute top priority for Beaty and Meacham on offense this year. If they can’t find a way to reduce the TO’s, the scoring and ypg won’t be significantly different than last year a d the defense’s ppg won’t improve either because of the regular defending on a short field.
Significantly reduce turnovers and penalties on offense. Do those two things alone this year and KU scores 7-10 ppg more this year at least, gives up 5-7 ppg less at least and wins at least 4 games this year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 First downs per game and fewer punts are the metric to look at this season. Prove you can move the ball. Once you do that, then you fine tune everything else and worry about protecting it more. In the scheme of an entire game, we are talking about 3 bad plays if we average 3 turnovers. But, averaging 5 more first downs and 1 or 2 fewer punts per game is a much larger improvement than averaging one less turnover per game. That means we are averaging closer to 12 or 13 plays per game where we made something positive happen that we didn’t last season.
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@Kcmatt7 @Texas-Hawk-10 why not both? Get more first downs and less turnovers, those kinda go hand in hand anyways
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@Kcmatt7 You can have all the 1st downs in the world, but if you turn the ball over at the end of that drive, those 1st downs don’t mean a thing.
More 1st downs will naturally come as a result of not turning the ball over and not committing as many penalties.
Fewer turnovers and penalties will lead to more plays run which which will lead to more 1st downs which will lead to more scoring opportunities which will equal more points.
Let’s say KU starts a drive at their own 25, they pick up 5 first downs which will have them down near the red zone or ij n the red zone and then the QB makes a dumb decision and throws a pick into double coverage.
How do those five 1st downs benefit KU when there’s a turnover at the end of that drive and KU loses out on a scoring opportunity?
Don’t turn the ball over there and it’s at least a FG opportunity at the end of that drive. Don’t turn the ball over and don’t commit stupid penalties and everything else will fall into place after that.
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@kjayhawks That is obviously the ideal scenario.
I just don’t see this as the season to TRY to win games. They should be a result of progress. Playing conservatively limits the progress we can make. Throwing nothing but 5 yard passes again just so we don’t turn the ball over didn’t work last year. Why would we expect it to work this season?
I’m just tired of getting rolled through like toilet paper. Let’s go down swinging instead of curling up in the fetal position and hoping our opponent knocks themselves out like Texas did last season. At least we make teams show up to beat us. If you can’t score or move the ball because you are so concerned about turning the ball over you won’t ever beat anybody.
It is a lot easier to play aggressively and have a great game with no turnovers than play conservatively and get lucky enough to outscore your opponents.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea you’re right, a drive where we are at the 25 and throw a pick is terrible. Except that isn’t the majority of interceptions. So you can’t use that as your example in this argument.
And I’m talking about measuring progress. If we put up 100 more yards per game, have a longer time of possession, have more first downs and punt less but turn the ball over just as often, we will be in more games than if we keep everything else on offense equal but have one less turnover a game.
Go look at the list of teams who lead the NCAA in turnovers last season and then look at their records. There are quite a few teams towards the bottom that aren’t bad. Like Clemson and Louisville and Baylor. Then look at the teams who had the fewest first downs and the most punts. Those teams SUCK. There is a better correlation to a teams success looking at first downs and punts than there is looking at turnovers.
Wins don’t necessarily show progress with this team. So playing conservatively and trying to steal an extra win or two isn’t something I care about. That isn’t the end game of this rebuild. I want to see consistent drives of 40 or 50 yards that may or may not end in points. At least we are showing that the offense will be able to score points once we have a full cast of talent on the line and at receiver. We can see the direction the program is heading. A season of conservative play where we won 4 games but got smoked in the other 7 isn’t what I want to see.
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I think our difference of opinion stems on what we would like to see. I think you want to see us sneak out a 4th win for sure, but really shoot for a 5th. I want to see us play 11 competitive games. I would see more progress in 11 close games than I would in 4 wins and 7 blow outs.
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Where are you getting that I want conservative play calling from? I want play calling that compliments the strengths of the personnel KU has on the team right now. KU has a bunch of smaller, speedy receivers, which means that KU will probably see a lot of cover 2 defense this year to keep those speedy guys from having single coverage deep. You beat cover 2 with intermediate routes and passes to flats.
The reason I want KU to reduce turnovers and penalties is because that’s how less talented teams pull off the upsets. KU doesn’t have the talent to overcome turnovers and penalties like a Clemson or Louisville do. KU has protect the football as much as possible to give themselves as many scoring opportunities as possible this season.
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Stanley has a hand injury per kusports.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You can’t play like Alex smith and reduce turnovers without playing a conservative style. Both things that you have said.
You also can’t beat a cover 2 doing that the entire game. Unless you are willing to take the top off of a cover 2 they won’t respect the deep routes you run and will end up taking away the running game and intermediate game as a result. Just like what happened last season… We have to be willing to hit a backside post or run a 4 verticals scheme at least once almost every drive. We also don’t have a good enough running game to score when we get in enemy territory and the field shrinks. Which is why it is important to try to take the top off of a defense and score from 30+ yards out on a deep ball.
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@Kcmatt7 The Chiefs play conservatively because Alex Smith has one of the weakest arms in the NFL. The west coast offense the Chiefs run is a naturally conservative system designed for QB’s with weaker arms like Alex Smith, like Joe Montana who the offense was created for.
Peyton Bender has a cannon, but that doesn’t mean throwing deep every other play is a good strategy. That’s not what the Air Raid or spread offense is about. It’s about creating space and one on one match ups for receivers.
If KU runs as many deep routes as you want to see, those routes will not be successful because defenses will keep leaving safeties deep to take away those go, deep post, and deep corner routes.
You have to build to running those home run plays where you’re sending 3-4 receivers down field. You that by running plays where 95% of the time, the progression starts with the short to intermediate routes, the have one deep route in case of a one on one or blown coverage down field, and then a back or TE in the flat somewhere for a check down as the last read. As you continue to do this, opposing defenses start bringing the safeties closer to take away those short to intermediate routes, that’s when you hit them over the top. That doesn’t happen in a few plays, it has to be built to over the course of the game and you might only get to run 2-3 of those types of plays a game.
KU doesn’t have the appropriate personnel to run the version of the Air Raid you want to see. To run that version, you need a bunch of tall receivers who can go catch jump balls and Chase Harrell is the only guy KU has that fits that mold. Most everyone for KU are the smaller receivers that have to be great route runners to be effective because they aren’t going to go win many jump balls. KU’s receivers need to be able to beat press coverage and run lots of slants and crossing routes and getting open that way.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Its also worth considering its all a bit relative: judging Bender, recruited for the AirRaid, but how good was the guy that took his starting spot at WSU? Just how close was that battle between Bender and his replacement? Bender clearly thinks he’s better than being a backup, and now he’s got that intangible “something to prove”…This could be good for KU…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Regarding your mention of Alex Smith, what then, is your impression of Patrick Mahomes so far in preseason?
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Pat has big potential. Well see what Reid can do for him over the last two years of Alex’s contract. The QB future is rosey at the moment for Chiefs fans.
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@JayhawkerRedLegs I’m not a Chiefs fan so I couldn’t tell you anything about how he’s looked.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Who is your team? Or do you just not care for the NFL?
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@BShark Let’s guess: Dallas?
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@mayjay Don’t you put that evil on me.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Houston? Maybe you like the classics, like Green Bay?
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@mayjay I’m from Houston, I’m a Texans fan. The QB situation here is that Savage will start until he gets injured or until DeShaun Watson is ready in a few weeks, maybe after their bye in Week 7 if not sooner. Watson will end up starting in Houston at some point this year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d hope so. Savage is crap.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ironically, the two cities whose teams you said you are not a fan of, Kansas City and Dallas, are joined by coincidence in the AFL history books to your real team because before they became the KC Chiefs they were the Dallas Texans.
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Peyton Bender da gawd.
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And Tyler Patrick is done as a retuner, or at least should be.
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Wow what a terrible quarter from half of 1st to half second. No way Neal’s pick has evidence to be overturned.
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Shades of Cozart with that pass
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Good end to the half, a couple of KU turnovers is the only reason why it’s a contest
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Ehhh, hoping for better 2nd half. - need work on the run - -17 yds on 11 carries- - isn’t gonna get it done, got to make them respect the run. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Ehhh, hoping for better 2nd half. - need work on the run - -17 yds on 11 carries- - isn’t gonna get it done, got to make them respect the run. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Yeah the run game has been embarrassing against a weak FCS opp…
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Nick Schwerdt @nick_schwerdt 4m4 minutes ago
Peyton Bender just became the first #kufball QB to throw 4 touchdowns in a game since Reesing in 2009.
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How about Turner Gill about to beat Baylor!?!?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 crazy, glad to see him doing well. He was a super nice guy, sadly he wasn’t given a fair chance here. Don’t think he was the answer but Weis ruined us.
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We won - - -on to the next game, improvement every week. - - I PREDICTED 41-13 KU - - off by 3 pts for KU - -off by 3 pts for SEMO
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I had a super nice football coach for a year also. We went from winning the league the year before to a 2 win team. Nice football coaches are doing you a disservice.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
How about Turner Gill about to beat Baylor!?!?
Awesome stuff. Baylor deserves to lose, a lot.
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Oh…how the mighty have fallen…
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Really not quite sure what to think. 1st weekend of the season , as far as our boys, how would you grade them? - -I don’t know maybe I’m expecting a little too much, I have to realize how far down we were, - - I get that - -I totally understand that, We did some good thing, BUT there were times during the game I was thinking man, here we are slodging our way through again… I’m even beating myself up for my thinking some, again this program was/is really down. I know I need more patience, sorry guys - -the when we come out like we did I was physcd and then we bog down , look quite frankly pretty ugly till right at the end of the half. - -Then their dam QB I mean not to take away from him but man - - -was thinking if this team is moving the ball like that then what are big 12 QB’S gonna do?
It’s ok guys I’m having this conversation out loud with myself and putting it on the computer, I know we will be ok, and continue to improve - -I am just looking for to much to fast. - -Overall when I look at the entirety of the game, - -you would have to say I’ll take it - -like the former Coach says Keep sawing wood. - -I’d grade us out probably at a B-. - -Bender was decent in his 1st game, but also like the radio announcers wee saying, how is he going to react under pressure - -we didn’t see that yesterday - -no pressure from SEMO, - -next week going to be a really big game, oh ya by the way did any body know what the attendance was last night? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KU is still the worst team in the league imo. That doesn’t mean the team has to go winless in league though.
