Bill Self's "Big Ego," prohibits the Border War.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@mayjay The hypocrisy is Self’s rationale. We play and have played Colorado, Texas A&M, and Nebraska. All left. In fact, NU was the first domino and we are playing at their place. Any rationale that differentiates MU is severely strained, thus hypocrisy.
Absolutely… and we are enjoying our own hypocrisy! Successful hypocrisy is a power play and I’m glad we are wielding power over the scum to the east.
I hope Bill can find ways to accentuate the hypocrisy even more. It’s hilarious to hear Tigs whine about it. Maybe we can invite Nebraska, Colorado and others into regular series!
It’s not enough to stab the Tigs… we need to keep moving that knife inside for maximum effectiveness.
I typically don’t hold long grudges. But there are exceptions.
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@HighEliteMajor I don’t see playing the other ex-conference-teams as hypocrisy. None of those schools insisted that the rest of the conference had to make commitments to stay before leaving themselves. As I recall, MU did, truncating any discussions other schools could have had – and then MU left.
A&M left in the wake, but they had no special relationship with KU anyway. Neb and Colo both have had pretty close ongoing ties to KU, plus those areas are filled with KU fans.
Finally, those 3 schools do not have a history of abusing KU players and fans, or disparaging KU on a regular basis.
The hatred began in the antebellum era and continued in the Civil War. The rivalry arose out of a century of conference sports competition which Missouri precipitously abandoned when they left the conference. I see no value in letting them try to climb back into prominence by “reviving” a rivalry where the only stake held by either side is 150 years of emotional investment in the anger of the past.
The only hypocrisy is MU’s, by blithely quitting the conference and then acting like they are the ones trying to keep things going. They are just another school. The past is over.
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@Kcmatt7 if you ever need talked “down”, let me know!
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I just have to laugh every time this topic gets brought up. It’s always the same thing too. KU and Coach Self are butt hurt, but MU they’re great because the want to renew the so called rivalry.
Of Course MU wants to play KU.
They over played their cards. The SEC popped their balloon. MU really believed they were the cats meow. This isn’t KU or Coach Self’s problem. It’s not the responsibility of KU to throw MU a life line. What am I saying KU owes MU nothing and is not obligated to play them. It’s not KU’s and Coach’s fault that the SEC used MU like a ragdoll to get the St Louis and Kansas City tv market. It’s not KU and Coach’s fault that nobody in the SEC respects or cares about MU. Hey the writing was on the wall. All you had to do was look at Arkansas. How long has Arkansas been in the SEC? And still the SEC culture rejects them. What MU thought they would do better? No MU made their bed let them lay in it. KU owes MU nothing. Putting MU on the schedule would be the dumbest thing KU can do.
@HighEliteMajor It would appear to me the majority of KU fans don’t want to play MU. Wouldn’t it be in Coach’s best interest to listen to what the fans want?
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I’m sticking with my guns on this issue. KU should not schedule those traitors! If the NCAA chooses to match us up in late March, then so be it. We must thump them by a 30 pt. margin, at least. Bill Self, continue to stand tall and show those miserable downtrodden tigers no quarter. As for the current state of declining enrollment and empty dormitories, MU might doll up the buildings with witches and goblins, rent them annually to the city of Columbia as Halloween haunted houses. Poor ol’ displaced Norm Stewart might roam the foyers with grim masks, pitchfork and sickle.
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@HighEliteMajor If the NCAA matches us up with Fizzoo so be it. It’s out of our control. What we do control is bringing prestige back to that cesspool in central Missery. They worked hard to be the doormat for the SEC. They could change their name to Bootlickers now.
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@approxinfinity no way could we top that game! My youngest son and I were there. I loved that team.
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@HighEliteMajor Nebraska was not the first domino, Missouri was. Nebraska may have been the first ones to actually leave, but Missouri is the one who started the whole thing by talking to the Big 10 in the first place. The Big 10 turned Missouri down and offered Nebraska instead. That’s not Nebraska initiating the dominoes, that’s Nebraska being in the right place at the right time to capitalize on Missouri’s screw ups.
Only in your mind is KU the chicken for refusing to play Missouri. Missouri is the one who walked away (changing conferences), they’re the ones continuously trying to bait KU to restart the series (showing their bitterness). KU’s stance is that Missouri made a decision and has told Missouri to deal with those consequences, one of which is no longer getting to play KU in scheduled games. They don’t like it so they are showing their bitterness and short sightedness by begging for a game.
Why would KU want to restart the series on Missouri’s terms in the first place? All that says is that Missouri has the power in the relationship and KU has none. This series will restart on KU’s terms, not Missouri’s terms because Missouri has given up all power in the relationship by acting like spoiled brat that will say anything for attention and KU will not give them the attention they want.
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The freaking Misery Tiggers. Signs a few hotshots, and now wants to play us again. Make the tournament, Chumps. We’ll play you. If those egg sucking dogs ever show their mangy faces in basketball again, I’ll be surprised. Cuonzo just got thru squandering some of the best talent in America- now he has to familiarize himself with concepts like … spontaneous combustion, and meth labs in order to understand the short attention span, and fire risks associated with flammable meth-head Tigger fans.
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@mayjay W_AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!
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Omg! This is so funny it makes my sides hurt!
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So what I’m hearing is that I’m wrong on this? @wissox - lots of unhealthy, aggrieved, butt-hurt grudges at MU here. Let … it … go.
@mayjay As I said, the rationale is severely strained. You may have tweaked a hammy there. @Texas-Hawk-10 By the way, thanks for the history lesson. And yes, I know MU was the first one to publicily discuss. You may have missed the link I posted a while back on that history. And you don’t understand the use of the phrase, “domino to FALL” – emphasis on “fall.” But carry on. Never stopped you before.
We’re chicken to play MU and WSU. Chick, chick, CHICKEN!
Bill Self, our savior, has protected us from mean old MU (and WSU). It appears we are bowing to his benevolence.
Running from the possible losses that are most upsetting to fans, staff, and the university. Hmmm.
The best point (I think) is @DoubleDD’s. The majority of fans probably don’t want to.
But we’re still chicken – visualizing Self squatting and lurching around with wings flapping on the AFH court, squawking – “but they left us” – over and over. Until collapsing. Only to be mounted by an MU Tiger in the NCAA tourney. As the Tiger enjoys himself, Self squeals “we missed bunnies, we missed bunnies!!”
If you doubt this tale, see WSU. We’ve been there before. Just change Self’s squawking to “what does it do for us”, and the Shocker on top. Self squealing, “we were soft, we were soft.” That is a true story.
I don’t like true stories like that.
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Obviously some have never stopped a horrible habit before, like smoking. It always seems appealing in the back of your mind, but it’s never been good for you. Moments of weakness make it sound good again, but when you wake up in the morning with that horrible taste in your mouth who do you have to blame?
The weak willed will go running back over and over again.
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@HighEliteMajor You keep thinking KU is the chicken for not wanting play Missouri or WSU on Missouri or WSU’s.
Then again, you would probably cave to a screaming 4 year old and give them anything they want just shut them up.
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@wrwlumpy Sure enough, he checked in, and oh boy so glad he did lol. - - Chicken to play? - - Please. - -As another poster stated, we have NOTHING to gain from playing these chumps. Don’t really feel Coach Self is ummm CHICKEN of anybody. - - As stated the NCAA could of matched us up - - -didn’t, the Big 12/ Sec could of matched us up - - - didn’t - -so guess that means their Chickens to do so also? - - my guess is more likely then not they don’t want to have fans be bothered to watch the ass kicking we would of given them on either occasion.
As was stated pretty comical how KU & what was Coach Self called? - -OH ya now I remember - - Chicken squawker - - -how we are chicken to play muck fizzou -seems pretty strange didn’t here kitten squat out of that pathetic school until they believe they might be competitive - -then they want to try and stand up and meow, and then have the nutts to try and say were ARAID of them roflmao - -give me a break.
The only thing Mizzery would or ever will mount around KU will be our trophy case as we would beat their ass ONCE again. Why would we want to continue to play someone where there is NO CHALLENGE. - you play to improve, you play where there is a challenge - -the only challenge if we were to play them is the challenge of just how bad we would beat that kitty ass.
Some people really stretch to try and find a reason as to why we should play- -ya ok, get back o me when you have a LEGIT reason. In the main time I keep with Coach Self and the Kentuckys - - Duke, Michigan States, and other true blue blood programs. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, you’ve got me pegged. In other threads, I’ve suggested my logic for playing them, and that is the incredible enjoyment we got out of the rivalry. And now we have no rival. Despite MU leaving a failing Big 12 – something that seems wise in retrospect – we are the ones choosing to end the rivalry.
However, equating MU to a despondent 4 year old is probably accurate. But my motivations for continuing to play them have nothing to do with MU. I don’t care one bit about MU.
It would be an amazing spectacle … BB game at Sprint center and FB at Arrowhead. We all know it would be off the charts.
But that seems to not matter to those with the “can’t let it go” mentality.
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Read the article. Meh. I just don’t care about Mizzou.
The more talk about the topic, the more Mizzou gains. (Nice ploy to try to stay relevant… and it’s not lost on me that their best path to relevancy is to grab the coat-tails of KU.)
I’m not giving energy to the dolts at that so-called institution of learning.
Next subject.
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@bskeet Dolts? I prefer to call them egg sucking dogs.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 This HEM guy really is starting to sound like an elpoyo clone His rhetoric has evolved into something quite different the past year or so. He like to take ones words & say “so this is what you mean, or that implies you are saying” to fit his own reasoning & aggressive replies. Dude now can quickly brag & blatantly hammer others for “pathetic” replies but in candid honesty, I personally don’t think valid acknowledgement is deserving to those troll type posters. They are the true pathetic ones who occupy & try to create dysfunctional chat rooms everywhere. Should be called im-posters. If anything at all, pure D bullshit is all I give them, because they’re always begging for some type of attention & that is really what they’re due if anything at all. Ignoring the buttheads probably is the high road, but I’m just not that good of driver…
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Again, I don’t recall MU basketball wanting to play KU the previous years when they absolutely sucked but now that they are think they might have a decent team, they want validation by playing KU…all upside for them and all downside for KU. I say go find validation with your new friends in the SEC. If they want to play a program with the initials K and U, play UK and it will continue to beat their a$$es like they have been doing since they moved to the SEC.
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@globaljaybird I’m convinced Elpoyo is not a troll. He loves KU basketball, endures some well earned (in many cases) abuse, but wants KU to win national championships. HEM is the same. He has more tact than Elpoyo, but basically says the same thing. Let’s win a darn ring more than every 20 years. I’m in agreement.
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@wissox Well, I guess everybody has at least one
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@wissox I have no problem with wanting to win NCAA championships. I DO have a problem with acting like a petulant baby when we don’t win, crying about how awful the team or coach are, and disparaging anyone who dares point out good things (like conf titles). Or saying nothing except NCAA titles matters. Wow, what does that mean, anyway? The other accomplishments of the players mean nothing?
We are not entitled to win. And it is entertainment, for crying out loud. Anyone incapable of dealing with losing in sports never learned what is really important in life.
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The struggle for Fizzou to stay relevant continues. Also guys hating on the state of Missouri often forget that so good things have come from that state. For instance the tooth brush was invented bye a Missourian because if it was invented anywhere else it would be called a teeth brush.
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@mayjay Not sure if anyone is crying that we don’t win the NC. We’re disappointed that high seeds, conference championships and high rankings haven’t led to more NC’s. I’ll say the alternative of not having high seeds and conference championships and just occasional tournament berths would suck way more than the joy ride that the last number of seasons have been that ended in disappointment.
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Personally, @HighEliteMajor this sounds like antipathy toward Bill Self on your part. The series with WSU ended years ago when the series was no longer competitive, and at WSU’s request. Just because greasy Gregg has a few good seasons, he thinks he can get a home-and-home with KU just because he thinks he should. Missouri is what, pretty much a nonentity in the SEC. There is no fear here. We play Kentucky frequently. Mizzou is not even a pimple on Kentucky’s rump. We take on all sorts of heavyweight teams, playing Duke and Michigan State along with Kentucky in the Champions Classic, and we would schedule UNC if Roy would; you don’t hear Bill Self and KU representatives begging for a chance to schedule the Tarheels. It’s because we don’t need to. We’re not that needy. You are the one visualizing Self as wringing and flapping around. I don’t see him that way. Missouri lied to him. We don’t need them. The way you depict him is the way a liberal press tried to depict Ronald Reagan as a nervous senorita hoping Brezhnev would call. It doesn’t wash. Missouri made their own situation; let them fix it on their own. We ought not help them. I think God did us a favor and took the thorn out of our side. Why would we stick it back in?
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@globaljaybird
Whoa @HighEliteMajor is a KU fan my friend. Too many times he has set aside his core beliefs to buy into the KU hype. He posts often and he admits when he’s is wrong. Yes he can be controversial. Yet that is good for topics and points of view.
Sorry my friend @elpoyo is not a KU fan. I get the being negative approach. I’ve tried it myself. Yet even when I was on this road I had to give props when it was deserved. @elpoyo is not a fan of KU basketball. Don’t believe me? After KU cuts down the nets this year you won’t hear from @elpoyo. I don’t care how negative you are if your Jayhawks cut down the nets you will give props and celebrate. Yet I promise you. You won’t read a post from @elpoyo after KU wins the NC this year. Bank on it.
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@DoubleDD Am curious & don’t mean to pry… So does that mean you actually know him or have drinks together or something ? Or is this a deal where you just have an opinion like we’re all entitled to have? Along with some quality writing & decent topics, Hem has always “picked his people” to agitate & by always I mean for several years on buckets & the olds site too. But now he’s much more wholesale with his aggressive commenting & seems to show a lot less patience or courtesy when in disagreement with others. At least it appears like to me, but some will tell you he’s always been that way. Truthfully many don’t care one way or another what he says or if he just keeps quiet. Much of the ramblings on this board are frankly so poorly contrived & frivolous anymore, that a lot of the original people continue to go by the wayside when there is little of merit to talk about in the off season. Steve started a good thread & a butthead poster trashed crap out of it when all had to do was just disagree in a semi-polite manner. I’ve been a dick when I get liquored up too, but when I read the dumb shit I spit out the night before, I either privately pm someone or publically apologize. I’m not too big in my britches or think I’m too good to admit I’m wrong when I am.
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@DoubleDD Well he claims he is so I give him the benefit of the doubt!
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EdwordL said:
Personally, @HighEliteMajor this sounds like antipathy toward Bill Self on your part. The series with WSU ended years ago when the series was no longer competitive, and at WSU’s request. Just because greasy Gregg has a few good seasons, he thinks he can get a home-and-home with KU just because he thinks he should. Missouri is what, pretty much a nonentity in the SEC. There is no fear here. We play Kentucky frequently. Mizzou is not even a pimple on Kentucky’s rump. We take on all sorts of heavyweight teams, playing Duke and Michigan State along with Kentucky in the Champions Classic, and we would schedule UNC if Roy would; you don’t hear Bill Self and KU representatives begging for a chance to schedule the Tarheels. It’s because we don’t need to. We’re not that needy. You are the one visualizing Self as wringing and flapping around. I don’t see him that way. Missouri lied to him. We don’t need them. The way you depict him is the way a liberal press tried to depict Ronald Reagan as a nervous senorita hoping Brezhnev would call. It doesn’t wash. Missouri made their own situation; let them fix it on their own. We ought not help them. I think God did us a favor and took the thorn out of our side. Why would we stick it back in?
PHOF !!
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@globaljaybird
It’s just an opinion. I don’t know him personally. Just read many of his posts, and understand that he’s a bit of a controversy. Yet I would admit here lately his posts have a me a bit baffled. Yet hoping and banking that he has a method to his madness.
Thing is you may not like what he has to say. Yet I’m not sure you can say he’s not a KU fan. Too many times he has challenged Coach only to bow and give respect.
My guess his he doesn’t care about the journey anymore and wants the NC. Hey I’ve been there. I just woke up one day with the help persons like you. That the journey is just as important as winning as it all. So I thank you.
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You can take every post @elpoyo has posted, replace KU with UK and Self with Calipari and post them on a Kentucky forum and you get the exact same effect and a better case…remember that since Coach Self has been at KU, it has won as many national championships as UK and Calipari, more conference titles on a much stronger conference and, when you look at the talent disparity, the criticism of Calipari woul be more justified.
@elpoyo is just your typical run of the mill generic troll, every forum has one, @elpoyo happens to be this forum’s troll.
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Maybe you’re the better person than I. As I don’t put value in what one claims. I look at the fruit they bare. @elpoyo has never said one thing positive about KU. Even a negative fan will admit they love the Jayhawk. You won’t hear that from @elpoyo. You just won’t, and maybe that makes me wrong? I’m old school. I call a spade a spade.
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@JayHawkFanToo Again, when he claims he is, I take it for what it’s worth. It’s not like we’re some club here that members must be vetted for authenticity. His posts add spice to the proceedings. I think we should play Missouri. I think we should win more national championships. It’s 12:30 AM, what the heck am I doing arguing on the Bucket?
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@DoubleDD You must have me confused
️ with someone saying so & so is not a fan. I did nothing of the sort. GN
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@globaljaybird
What does GN mean? Forgive I’m not hip. Didn’t you compare @HighEliteMajor to @elpoyo? If you didn’t then I’m sorry.
Yet if you did. @elpoyo is no fan of KU. Sooooo?
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Claiming to be a fan and actually being one are two different things and actions speak louder than words. BTW, my memory is not what it used to be and I could be wrong but I don’t recall @elpoyo saying he was a fan.
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@DoubleDD GN is good night!
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I believe crystal meth was invented in Missouri.
I know it is the world headquarters for meth, too.
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@DoubleDD Read the whole thread not just what you think is relevant. Someone posted they sounded like alter egos so forget I’m involved because I no longer am. This is exactly why I go days & weeks without looking at this site anymore Actually was a diff thread where that began but Elpoyo created a pissing match & hem fueled it rather well. Is easy to search & find if it floats your boat
. Anyway this is bs & a complete freaking waste of effort unless this is all the entertainment one has.
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@globaljaybird
I understand where you’re coming from. Posts and Posters can be taken out context for what they are trying to say and what they really believe. It can be tough at times to tell if someone is being controversial or just being down rude.
However I not sure I can share your view of @KUbuckets. It may not be perfect but man It’s quite a step up from so many other comment boards, and I’m glad it’s here.
Sure it has its tiffs and what not. Yet at the end of the day the posters are for the most part thoughtful, respectful, and persons that love the Jayhawks. Plus the best part is it doesn’t have the plethora of Trolls that plague so many other comment sites.
The thing is? With so many persons coming from so many different walks of life, to express their own views on a topic. It should be expected that the meeting of the minds would cause some friction from time to time.
I would also say that @approxinfinity does a fine job of keeping the posters and comments in line with the spirit of @Kubuckets. He’ll let us play but steps in when his action is required. He’ll either join the conversation/debate to calm it down. Or he’ll just put a lock on the topic.
If you don’t mind I would like to disagree on one more issue with you? You staying away and not posting, sharing your knowledge, and command over the English language does more harm than good. I would even point my finger at @HighEliteMajor on this issue. When you guys get in your element and give the meat of the bone you wish to express. It’s a thing of beauty. So many times I’ve walked away from one of yours and @HighEliteMajor posts inspired and perplexed. I would spend days pondering on what you have posted. That my friend is a gift and not to share that gift with your fellow KU brethren is the sin.
Looking forward to reading one of your insightful posts in the near future.
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@DoubleDD Well thank you for your kindness, but of the countless things I’ve been called in my life, I don’t ever recall “inspiring” being among them.
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@DoubleDD Agreed abt @approxinfinity - He is a bright young guy with much (a family) on his plate & does a masterful job of administering his site with all of us stupid salty posters. IMO he’s the one that should get all the attaboys cause he’s up to his elbows in thiskrap all the while Now there is a KU fan …
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@globaljaybird ha ha on your inspiring comment! I do learn something new every day from you!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Thanks but not real certain it might be something your Mother may wish you to know ?!
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@globaljaybird
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@globaljaybird aww man. Thanks bud. I’m sorry I’ve been coveting my neighbor’s closer (Herrera). And that I’ve been just as salty about our Commander in Cheese. But at the end of the day, I’m glad for the salt, because we don’t just posture on here. It’s weird times we live in man, but I have good news. I did watch an O’s broadcast the other day when the Nats weren’t on. And I’m happy to say that it appears that the state of Maryland is stuck in the 90’s. I became an adult in the 90’s, so that’ll always be my decade. I knew New Jersey was stuck in the 80’s, but didn’t realize that time had stopped it’s forward march in Maryland sometime circa 1996. So I might just start watching a bit more of the Baltimore Oranges.
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@DoubleDD
thanks bud. I think we all know each other well enough to know when its time to cool it and move on. It’s pretty great that we’ve been able to stay pretty democratic about it.
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@approxinfinity We’re rebuilding, you can have David Robertson. He’s having a decent year, still fairly young. Just give us Bryce Harper, he’s probably gone in free agency in 18 or 19, right?
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@DoubleDD You are giving far too much credit to a person who currently uses his brain like a hat rack. HEM is mailing it in, and is a far cry from what he used to be. “Bill Self flapping his wings like a chicken?” How dare we not want to build up Misery basketball, eh? If he wants to use his gifts to talk basketball, real basketball…I’m all in. If he wants to antagonize, and take pot shots because of his eternal boner against Coach Self, then he is a smarter, more eloquent el poyo.
