The Members of the Big 12 Conference (for @JayhawkFanToo)



    1 Drexel

    2 Texas A&M

    3 Claremont

    4 Sophie Newcomb

    5 Duke

    6 Easy Grade U

    7 Sorbonne

    8 St. Olaf

    9 Butler County Community College

    10 Bill & MARYJANE

    11 Federal Penal System All Stars


    13 KU


    Fractional State

    MIT of Ohio

    College of Western Indonesia


    Machu Pichu College (high altitude hai alai)

    University of Carthage (salt licking)


    Silo Tech (correction/addition for @wissox)

    (Note: All fiction. No malice.)

  • Hahaha

  • You still screwed it up Jaybate. I don’t see Silo Tech on there.

  • @approxinfinity

    Glad I could get someone to laugh around here and not just focus on my misreads.

    And, you know, the truly incredible thing is that despite my “gross mischaracterization” of the B12 above, KU still is going to have a bundle of transfers, sub-five stars, and guys originally bound for less than elite major programs on campus.

    Just between you and me, I don’t see how that’s possible.

    I know you are more prone than me to attribute this to Self simply trying to get more experience, rather than having to end run what increasingly (as the years go by) appears to me to be a recruiting embargo, but, either way…

    Surely my gross mischaracterization of the Big 12 above has to have some causal, or at least a quantum entanglement, effect on the quality of KU’s talent levels.

    Surely my unforgivable, egregious, major, large and generally really big cognitive recognition boner about misreading the Big 12 wiki page just now has to have had a similar gross, gigantic, universally-far-reaching-and-morally pernicious effect on my suggestion about where and how Self may recruit in the future, that my gross, huge-acious, hyper-mongo-meta-epic error in listing the CAA members had recently.

    Maybe the fiendish, diabolical, “way” that I said it, as @BShark might put it, just hasn’t rippled through the neutrino, muon and quark soup yet?

    Regardless, forgive me, Father Naismith, for I have sinned.

    Now, I will say three Hail Phogs, and rub my KU sweatshirt between my fingers as I do.

    Oh, my, when the weird stuff spikes up in Washington, it has a ripple effect throughout our nation for sure. 🙂

    Hang in there, Master Moderator. You have to be a saint to put up with us all. And have a grand spring day.

    Rock Chalk!!!

  • @wissox


    See revised conference membership above.

  • @jaybate-1.0 ROTFL? Which school is that? Should they be in our league?

  • @wissox

    If it works for you, YES!

  • @jaybate-1-0 I am more convinced than ever that you must be having chemical issues: how on earth did you miss Trump University?

    All fun, no facts!

  • @jaybate-1.0 You left off Incarnate Word.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    I certainly would like to avoid the Federal Penal System All Stars in a home/away series. Can we vote on this one?

  • jaybate 1.0 said:



    10 Bill & MARYJANE

    Isn’t this where Carlton Bragg ended up??

  • mayjay said:

    @jaybate-1-0 I am more convinced than ever that you must be having chemical issues: how on earth did you miss Trump University?

    All fun, no facts!

    Ah, back with the apparently passive-aggressive, CAMP SMEAR-style. chemical booga-booga, eh?

    Kind of disappointing, but I will hang in.

    I am a mensch.

    Let’s talk some hoops.



    Let’s enjoy the game in the off season, @mayjay.

    We can do it.

    Heck, I’ll even throw you a bone here and talk about something you appear to like to talk about.

    I have one issue with chemicals. Well, I don’t have it personally, but it is a chemical issue. Does Mercury in vaccines count? Let’s talk about that. That would be constructive and probably not be viewed as sniping, and so drive @globaljaybird away.

    I recall reading recently that the CDC has reputedly acknowledged recently the existence of several pieces of research suggesting a connection between certain vaccines with significant mercury in them and certain adverse side effects like autism. Imagine that. Some persons have been saying for years that the vaccines were a likely culprit. But CDC and many others have reputedly indicated for many years that vaccines just weren’t involved. But now. Boom! CDC reputedly comes indicates there reputedly a number of research papers that suggests otherwise.

    What do you think? Could it be true? Is it true? Estimates of folks with autism run between 4-10 million that I recall, and the number is reputedly growing. I read where there are dozens more kinds of vaccines than the children vaccines that use mercury as a preservative. You and I have almost certainly had them. I recall it was mercury. Maybe it was some other toxic substance, but I recall mercury. What do you think? Robert Kennedy Jr. seems to be promoting a lot of vaccine awareness regarding autism. Do you think the vaccines triggered it, in part, or in whole? Should there be some consequences for the folks at CDC responsible, if it turns out that they have been concealing a connection between mercury laced vaccines and, say, autism, or other afflictions?

    Think about this. If 10 million were to have autism, they probably come from households that average around 2-3 persons total. That means that there could be as many as 20-30 million persons living just with autism, or with persons with autism, and essentially bearing the costs of coping with it, largely by themselves, and without legal recourse to those responsible for afflicting them. It doesn’t seem totally fair, or legally equitable.

    I am trying to draw you into discourse about issues, one of which–chemical issues–you even seem to care about–and away from your recent apparent smear booga booga. I am not doing this so much for you, or me, but for @globaljaybird. And likely others like him.

    Take my virtual hand.

    Let us begin the journey to joyous, rewarding discourse today, so as not to drive @globaljaybird farther away.

    Rock Chalk!!!

  • @BeddieKU23

    I hadn’t heard where Bragg went.

    What a sweet irony!!

  • @jaybate-1.0 Sorry, not engaging. It was a joke, on myself as much as you. If you wish to have a discussion about vaccines, you will need a new partner.

  • @jaybate-1.0 Thanks bro. A golden penny for your thoughts. I clearly recall & will never forget what you shared with me about your Father while I was heading down that long dark tunnel in the hospital last year. No worries my friend it’s all good. That conversation just caught me on a down day. We all have em & we’ve all come too far not to say we effed up or we’re sorry.

  • @jaybate-1.0 it was a joke. Bragg went to ASU. He’ll enjoy it. It’s a huge party school. Tempe is fun. Kinda surprised he picked AZ it’s medicinal opt only there, I figured CO would suit him better.

  • "I laughed.

    Then… I laughed some more.

    Then… I paused.

    Then… I laughed some more."

    ~ Transcripts from “The Internet Hobbit.”

  • @globaljaybird

    We have mileage. I got your back. Period.

  • @dylans

    Bragg in Tempe?

    He will lose weight in that heat!

    Wish him well.

    It’s a tough time of life, and some need resets to get it right.

    He’ll need a break.

    Hope he gets one in the Valley of the Sun…

  • mayjay said:

    @jaybate-1.0 Sorry, not engaging. It was a joke, on myself as much as you. If you wish to have a discussion about vaccines, you will need a new partner.

    Basketball transfers then?

    I tried to give more than one option.

  • @jaybate-1.0 Thank you 😊 friend. And I yours also.

  • @jaybate-1.0 That we can do! On the transfers, I think it is due to some players having more options after playing elsewhere than they did when graduating from HS. They might have been under-recruited because of poor exposure by not being AAU participants, they might have had unpolished skills due to inadequate HS coaching, they might have been immature and not handled recruiting well, they might have made an initial college choice based on non-basketball reasons like friends or family, they might just have gotten better…a myriad of reasons.

    Why Self would want them is exactly as he says, to fit a need. He fills holes. I think he may appear to be taking kids from programs in the 30 to 200 rankings not from desperation but because those are precisely the ones who may be seen as able to move up to more elite schools.

    With transfers who sit out, like the Lawsons, he gets monster practice players who can only improve while improving the eligibles. With graduate transfers, he fills an immediate gap with no long term risk.

    Consider something else: where did all the KU’s transfers who have left gone? Did they go to other blue bloods? Or, as I propose, do they generally go to secondary level schools?

    I cannot vouch for the accuracy of my observations, but it seems there are very few top-tier players transferring between blue bloods. And there are very few really good players or starters transferring out of blue bloods in general. Good players move up to play at more elite schools, bench players move down to get more playing time.

  • @jaybate-1-0 There you are, back to your old self!!

  • @jaybate-1.I didnt know MIT had an Ohio branch!! Pretty sure we also had a school in the Big 12 or so that had a sport…Ummm pigmy albino hunting?? Purely catch and release.

  • @Lulufulu

    They opened it to have a place to hide Lester Thurow!

  • @mayjay

    In the interest of fostering discourse with you about what you propose, I have eliminated a counter hypothesis I first proposed in this post and instead refocused on your proposal.

    While I do not yet follow how your proposed explanation would tend to combine, and recombine drivers, over time, in various situations, to tend to yield the phenomena of recruiting outcomes we observe generally, or in this particular case. Your proposal triggered an interesting question.

    Why would adidas-contracted Self at adidas-contracted KU appear to need to more fill holes with more apparent frequency in the ways you describe, than Nike- or AirJordan-contracted coaches at, say, Nike-UK, Nike-Duke, and AirJordan-UNC would appear to need to?

    It appears that if adidas-Self were able to sign approximately as many freshman OADS and 5-stars each year , as the other coaches and schools referred to above, he would not have so many holes needing filling in the way you propose, or in any other way?

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