Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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@BShark I suspect there could be a Greyson Allen effect going on. Maybe kids just don’t want to have him as their teammate. I certainly wouldn’t want to go to Duke if I knew he was going to be back on the team. Knox goes elsewhere, Duval taking a looong look at his options and not committing to what most think is a certain pick for him.
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@RockChalk ya I just can’t believe why he hasn’t announced there yet I mean from everything you hear and have heard it’s been ALL Duke, yet he hasn’t announced. Just keeps saying he is close, he is close. So WHY?
Maybe there is some truth about his grades after all. Maybe he IS goin to end up going over sea’s and play. Just doesn’t make any sense other wise. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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If Duval goes to Seton Hall the Duke sites would implode.
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@BShark Not just Duke’s!
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Just have to laugh when a kid announces that he is about ready to announce when he is going to announce - you follow that lol ? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Just have to laugh when a kid announces that he is about ready to announce when he is going to announce - you follow that lol ? ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
you shouldn’t be surprised with Duval.
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@BeddieKU23 Ya , I know. - -The longer this carries on and let me make this clear I by far am not looking for him to say he is coming here, no way BUT seems like the longer he drags his out, doesn’t it seem like he loves to be the center of attention ?
It has become very obvious he wants to make sure his announcement is the only one of the day. - -Is he a me, me, me guy? Beginning to look like it , not sure we would really want a player like that anyways, not sure if he would fit or become more of a bigger distraction and cost the team in the long run. - - Might be better that we DO have a Garrett in the mix after all. - -4 year player, more of a team player maybe. Not saying they are on the same level but still. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Ya , I know. - -The longer this carries on and let me make this clear I by far am not looking for him to say he is coming here, no way BUT seems like the longer he drags his out, doesn’t it seem like he loves to be the center of attention ?
It has become very obvious he wants to make sure his announcement is the only one of the day. - -Is he a me, me, me guy? Beginning to look like it , not sure we would really want a player like that anyways, not sure if he would fit or become more of a bigger distraction and cost the team in the long run. - - Might be better that we DO have a Garrett in the mix after all. - -4 year player, more of a team player maybe. Not saying they are on the same level but still. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Agree with all of it.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Room would be made for Duval. That said he isn’t coming to Lawrence.
Duke has LOTS of room I believe. Assuming Frank Jackson stays in the draft Duke has like 9 scholarship players.
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That’s counting the sub 300 player they just took as a practice body too. But hey, they signed some 5 stars!
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
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BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
Yet people are bitching about Self, KU’s recruiting etc…
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
Yet people are bitching about Self, KU’s recruiting etc…
I find no matter what there will be whining…
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Agree. I mentioned in a thread on the shiver that I’ll worry more when the on court product starts slipping.
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BShark said:
Agree. I mentioned in a thread on the shiver that I’ll worry more when the on court product starts slipping.
which is a good thing we aren’t Duke fans right now. that’s a depressing state of fanbase right now
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@BeddieKU23 You know the perfect scenario for me would be, that after all this time for him to make his announcement, the perfect finish for me would be for him to announce - -somewhere other then Duke lmao.
People on their board well some, more all the time are starting to sweat nuggets. - -some saying look out for Arizona, - -others saying over sea’s. - -I think IF he were to announce ANYWHERE other then Duke, which I still believe that’s where he ends up but it would for sure be a Kodak moment.- - -you know what I mean , like that commercial you see where the person rattles off three or four scenario’s and gives a price for that scenario - -then come to the one where they say - -Priceless? – Ya that would for sure be Priceless lol.
Duke fans have this such attitude of greater then thou. - -Like I read some posters said - -WHY would anyone want to play for KU? - -REALLY? - -most of them have thought for so long it’s a wrap - just can’t emphasize enough how that would make my off season recruiting year lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He’ll play for Duke next year.
Zona would take him as an upgrade to the 2 PG’s they have on roster as well so I guess anything can happen as we have seen with Knox.
Seton Hall signed a PG just outside the Top 150 this week to fill their 13 up so that tells you where they stand.
Baylor was never a serious factor and Self kicked the tires enough to stick around but Graham coming back sealed that for us.
Duval is the perfect example of a kid who’d benefit from going straight to the NBA now if the rules allowed. He’d save coaches all the worries of recruitment and all the hoopla he’s put fans through for the past year
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Good point, I think as you mentioned Self recruited all these transfers to prevent the down year. He knew that years of putting guys in the league was going to come back at some point and after this year with the graduation of Graham he’s at a true turning point for the “old recruiting” methods.
Today’s landscape has changed and these guys who have D-1 experience, talent, and a sit-out year are going to be better players for KU outside of the Zion/Bagley/Barrett trio. It’s a gamble either way but we should be rewarded in the end
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BeddieKU23 said:
Good point, I think as you mentioned Self recruited all these transfers to prevent the down year. He knew that years of putting guys in the league was going to come back at some point and after this year with the graduation of Graham he’s at a true turning point for the “old recruiting” methods.
Today’s landscape has changed and these guys who have D-1 experience, talent, and a sit-out year are going to be better players for KU outside of the Zion/Bagley/Barrett trio. It’s a gamble either way but we should be rewarded in the end
Yep. Assuming KU lands Grimes and another guard (Carey, Dotson, whoever) it really lets Self ease in the multi-year guard instead of having to trot them out there for 30+ minutes a game.
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If anyone wants a nice negative read on KU recruiting tonto (known troll, also has a separate account pretending to be a UK fan that he trolls UK fans with) put up a thread on the shiver. Just such typical tonto. KU will get no one in 2018 or 2019. Time to cancel the program @BeddieKU23
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I don’t think the guys wanted to go to Italy anyway, we should just close the doors now. Every fanbase has some jack-rabbits
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Jaylen Carey has listed top 10. - - - -Syracuse, Norte Dame, Rutgers, Miami, Florida, Seton Hall, Indiana, U Conn, Temple, & KU.
Might not be to bad of a quality 4 year player 2018. I don’t know but from the list of ten, looks like at first glance might be kind of hard pulling him off the East Coast. Whaaa, like 7-10 on the Eastern third?
Only KU - -Indiana right we shall see I guess what plays out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Jaylen Carey has listed top 10. - - - -Syracuse, Norte Dame, Rutgers, Miami, Florida, Seton Hall, Indiana, U Conn, Temple, & KU.
Might not be to bad of a quality 4 year player 2018. I don’t know but from the list of ten, looks like at first glance might be kind of hard pulling him off the East Coast. Whaaa, like 7-10 on the Eastern third?
Only KU - -Indiana right we shall see I guess what plays out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Mentioned him a bit back. If KU presses (and they should imo) I think he would commit. He’s a top 50 talent, so he might not be a 4 year player (perhaps 3). He likes KU and Norm. Norm running point on him of course.
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We will have to fight off the 2 East Schools (Uconn, Seton Hall where he’s visited unofficially and who talks to him daily) and Miami at the moment. Not sure where he falls in priority list but we definitely have work to make up for him. Said he wants to play early and be in a style of play that fits him (mentioned ACC & Pac-12 for that). We’ll see what happens, he’s going to get more offers
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@BeddieKU23 So what I’m reading between the lines also then is that I’m getting a feel that you & B shark both feel as though he will rise further up the charts current # 82? -Is he a pretty solid PG you think? - What about Syracuse - -Norte dame? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yes he’s better then his current ranking and he’ll rise up whenever they make their updates. There are definitely not 15 better PG’s then him, even with the PG position IMO having the most depth in the entire class. He’s got NBA potential down the road
He’s 6’3, long and a really good athlete. He also defends which I think enhances his reputation. I think he’ll end up in the 40ish area, but it all depends if he gets his team to Peach Jam and keeps performing at the level he’s been at. I also think he’ll get some more offers which can also influence his ranking…
He had a game recently where he went for 36 and made 6 3’s so he’s definitely got the ability to take a game over.
I hope we keep after him because the local schools have done their work with him early and consistently. He’s been interested in KU for a while and has a good relationship with Norm which can always be a plus. With Charlie Moore on the roster we probably are not going to be as attractive to him as he wants to play early.
Syracuse just offered him after seeing him in the last session. I don’t see him as a fit there. Not sure about Notre Dame although he is a program fit for them. Miami has started to go after him and he mentioned the ACC as intriguing for the style of play he wants to play in.
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This was in Duke recruiting but relevant to KU.
Question - Jalen Carey
Answer - Kansas
And I consider it reliable from the one person who does have a lot of contacts within AAU
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Like what I’m reading there. Outside of McCormack, doesn’t seem like KU and Duke are playing much in the same pool for 18.
And ya I’d love to see KU close Carey early.
LOL if St Johns gets Reid and Muhammed.
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Definitely there’s some optimism with Carey right now. I also think that what AS is hearing could be the after effect of him being offered and we’ll see if that changes if Carey continues to produce on the AAU circuit. I think a few more big programs will enter the discussion for him because I don’t see a tremendous difference between him and the guys ranked ahead of him at the PG position.
We’ll see what happens with this guy moving forward, pulling kids from the East is hard if he’s not open to leaving (which he mentioned was not an issue)
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Duke has kicked the tires on Grimes and Dotson (Dotson more so lately then ever). Sounds like McCormack could be Duke’s to lose which sucks, he’s a huge dude with some considerable upside still to him as he continues to shape his body.
And I agree it would be nice to not be up against them for some of our top targets.
Reid has a handler so if the handler wants him at ST J’s, well we know how that goes down
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If Grimes isn’t closed I don’t even…
Could live w/o Dotson though he has been hooping out lately. Grimes/Carey is an extremely good pairing. Would be looking at a guard rotation of Grimes/Moore/Carey/Garrett/Cunliffe. Fire.
Definitely seems like Duke will lock up McCormack.
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We don’t hear much about Grimes and with Zona, Duke and others invested in him you can never be certain he’ll end up here. I think the key to him ending up at KU is Newman ballin out and going pro. We are not going to land his caliber of talent without having the spot handed to him from day-1.
Getting Charlie Moore took the pressure off getting Dotson. I expect we may back off or Dotson will see that KU has already signed someone similar to him. Which sucks because I do think Dotson is really good and have been very high on his game
Agree on the Grimes/Carey pairing, great size, athletic ability, the whole package.
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Ya know, I realize still another year off BUT mercy looks like sure seems like 2019 if we play it right could be a monster year for us in recruiting. So many players we are high on or they are high on us.
Hurt - - Jeffries - - Leech - - Lawson - - Robinson Earl - - Harvey & then committed Jacobs.
Everyone of these guys we are leading - -and leading big, Example: Leech 100 % KU and not only that - -KU is the only one he shows interest as in warm - all others cool interest, -Robinson Earl the same - -KU only one of interest KU 100 % and warmer all others cool interest. Harvey the same 100% KU all others cool. - -thing is with Harvey sounds like he is planning on attending KU late night AGAIN this yr, attended last year, went to some games - o me - -that sounds like this kid wants to play here bad all we have to do is show continued interest. DJ Jeffries, list us in his top five -all including us is cool right now but could be he is just focusing in play right now no favorite at this point that I see.
Read off there too that yes we are in the lead now as we thought might happen for Chandler Lawson. - CB showing us with 71% to Memphis 29% and we know the story there. Pipeline here to Ku with the brothers so that would look good
My question becomes if we have a scenario where we have the opportunity for same type of players with not a huge gap in talent or ranking using Harvey who seems like he REALLY wants to come and we got another very talented player that wants to come - - what do we do? - -Do we shun/ignore our local talented kid for the other? - -could that not come back to bit us in the ass later? Say we ignore Robinson Earl - -Harvey - -Berry. - - should we just look the other way from local talent that can be really solid? for another player of equal or maybe some better - that’s kind of touchy ground if you ask me - -could get a bad rap out of that, bad reputation locally - -so what do we do? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The crystal ball is not to be trusted.
That said KU is very strong with Leech and JRE. Hurt I could see going many other places, like say Duke. I’ll say it right now KU can’t take JRE, Chandler Lawson and Matt Hurt.
In my perfect world KU gets Jacobs (duh), Harvey, Leech, JRE and Chandler Lawson. Any bigger class than that I think we need to be closer to 19 to see how many scholarships are available.
After Ayton I will never say any recruit is in the bag until they are signed, sealed, on campus… But KU is in super deep with Grimes. It would be a true shocker.
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You don’t ignore Harvey, JRE or Berry. You take their commitments today if they want to give them.
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jayballer54 said:
Ya know, I realize still another year off BUT mercy looks like sure seems like 2019 if we play it right could be a monster year for us in recruiting. So many players we are high on or they are high on us.
Hurt - - Jeffries - - Leech - - Lawson - - Robinson Earl - - Harvey & then committed Jacobs.
Everyone of these guys we are leading - -and leading big, Example: Leech 100 % KU and not only that - -KU is the only one he shows interest as in warm - all others cool interest, -Robinson Earl the same - -KU only one of interest KU 100 % and warmer all others cool interest. Harvey the same 100% KU all others cool. - -thing is with Harvey sounds like he is planning on attending KU late night AGAIN this yr, attended last year, went to some games - o me - -that sounds like this kid wants to play here bad all we have to do is show continued interest. DJ Jeffries, list us in his top five -all including us is cool right now but could be he is just focusing in play right now no favorite at this point that I see.
Read off there too that yes we are in the lead now as we thought might happen for Chandler Lawson. - CB showing us with 71% to Memphis 29% and we know the story there. Pipeline here to Ku with the brothers so that would look good
My question becomes if we have a scenario where we have the opportunity for same type of players with not a huge gap in talent or ranking using Harvey who seems like he REALLY wants to come and we got another very talented player that wants to come - - what do we do? - -Do we shun/ignore our local talented kid for the other? - -could that not come back to bit us in the ass later? Say we ignore Robinson Earl - -Harvey - -Berry. - - should we just look the other way from local talent that can be really solid? for another player of equal or maybe some better - that’s kind of touchy ground if you ask me - -could get a bad rap out of that, bad reputation locally - -so what do we do? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Robinson Earl has UNC and others after him. In the end if KU puts the effort in I do see him staying local. He’s not someone you pass on, it just won’t happen.
Harvey, same position has others starting to show interest but KU will have the best shot if they make him priority. As long as he continues to improve he’s got a great chance of staying home.
Leech likes KU, we’ll see if anything has changed with him. We got in early for him which helps.
I think Chandler Lawson is a lock. Have no idea what Jeffries will do.
Hurt I think ends up in Big-10 country, just my gut feeling at the moment. There’s been a lot of movement for KU in 19
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Agree, he should be apart of the class. I just feel that he’ll want assurance Newman isn’t here first.
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Easily Leech’s first big offer, maybe his first D1 offer. I know KU offered before his SO year. He is so, so good.
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@BShark what’s leech’s first name?
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BShark said:
Easily Leech’s first big offer, maybe his first D1 offer. I know KU offered before his SO year. He is so, so good.
Definitely, I’m waiting to see some new video on him. Any clue what AAU team he ended up on?
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Having the Lawson’s has given us a heads up over others on their brothers for sure. Chances of the family moving here sound reasonably good They made mention in the LJW article about how if they moved here how hard it would be and what a ball game it would be a hot bed to see at the local high schools if the .Lawson younger brothers moved here to Lawrence.
You got Chandler who is # 34 right now - -then sounds like the youngest might be a real stud. talk about you might think to early for rankings - -BUT like they say Future 150. com has Jonathan Lawson a 6ft 5 160 lb ranked # 6 right now so we might have some talent for awhile sure can’t hurt with the brothers playing here.
On a side note as they were talking about Jonathan - -they mentioned he is two slots above another local in state player to keep our eye on out of Wichita - -He is ranked # 8 in the future 150.com he is a 6’2 Pg named Daylan Jones.
So have we heard anything on him yet? I’m sure we checking him out for sure must be pretty decent - -I’m sure if it comes to it we be fighting Marsha for him. - - Anyone fill me in about him - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well little more info. - - -1st the funny stuff. -Just read off the shiver, there was new thread about Duval , and talking about when he was announcing. - -people talking - -then Matt comes in and says - -there is a rumor going around that Duval is planning on announcing on Monday Night Raw wrestling in Philly I believe - -LMAO how funny is that? - -Welp he said his daid was working on something huge where it was something that never had been done before v- -SO there you go - -I’m getting to the point more and more every day glad he isn’t coming here - -real attention seeker - -look at me.
Also red where we offered just today for the class of 2020 Greg Brown, from Austin Texas. A 6’6 SF the schools listed right now Texas, A&M - - Calfornia - -Oklahoma - -Texas - -& KU so there you go lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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How about Kansas?
Kansas, they told me how I’m a big priority to them. They definitely want me to get to campus and come to the games. They said they play a lot of guards.
I remember that your mother also had gone there. So, that must help them a little bit.
Yeah, she’s fine. She doesn’t pressure me at all with Kansas. She wants me to pick the right school, pick whatever’s the right fit for me. There’s no pressure at all.
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@BShark sounds disinterested and not worth pursuing.
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Looks like Emmitt Williams will be someone we can just forget about. Reading his handler is the one who put Blakeney from Louisville to LSU… That was when Pitino started yapping about the shoe war “behind the scenes” recruiting… Just crazy with these kids
So if we have a chance for Williams we all know ahead of time its because he’s being placed there…
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@BShark His quote goes into detail about winning a national championship with 'Tucky. That’s where I would guess he goes, simply by the emphasis in his quote. He is envisioning playing there.
