Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
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BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
Yet people are bitching about Self, KU’s recruiting etc…
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don’t seem to care much about anybody else.
Yes, Duke & Arizona have spots open. Even Kentucky could take him at this point even though they never were in it for him (which is the most shocking part of this kids entire recruitment).
There are a lot of imcomplete rosters still even in the 2nd week of May.
Yet people are bitching about Self, KU’s recruiting etc…
I find no matter what there will be whining…
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Agree. I mentioned in a thread on the shiver that I’ll worry more when the on court product starts slipping.
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BShark said:
Agree. I mentioned in a thread on the shiver that I’ll worry more when the on court product starts slipping.
which is a good thing we aren’t Duke fans right now. that’s a depressing state of fanbase right now
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@BeddieKU23 You know the perfect scenario for me would be, that after all this time for him to make his announcement, the perfect finish for me would be for him to announce - -somewhere other then Duke lmao.
People on their board well some, more all the time are starting to sweat nuggets. - -some saying look out for Arizona, - -others saying over sea’s. - -I think IF he were to announce ANYWHERE other then Duke, which I still believe that’s where he ends up but it would for sure be a Kodak moment.- - -you know what I mean , like that commercial you see where the person rattles off three or four scenario’s and gives a price for that scenario - -then come to the one where they say - -Priceless? – Ya that would for sure be Priceless lol.
Duke fans have this such attitude of greater then thou. - -Like I read some posters said - -WHY would anyone want to play for KU? - -REALLY? - -most of them have thought for so long it’s a wrap - just can’t emphasize enough how that would make my off season recruiting year lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He’ll play for Duke next year.
Zona would take him as an upgrade to the 2 PG’s they have on roster as well so I guess anything can happen as we have seen with Knox.
Seton Hall signed a PG just outside the Top 150 this week to fill their 13 up so that tells you where they stand.
Baylor was never a serious factor and Self kicked the tires enough to stick around but Graham coming back sealed that for us.
Duval is the perfect example of a kid who’d benefit from going straight to the NBA now if the rules allowed. He’d save coaches all the worries of recruitment and all the hoopla he’s put fans through for the past year
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Good point, I think as you mentioned Self recruited all these transfers to prevent the down year. He knew that years of putting guys in the league was going to come back at some point and after this year with the graduation of Graham he’s at a true turning point for the “old recruiting” methods.
Today’s landscape has changed and these guys who have D-1 experience, talent, and a sit-out year are going to be better players for KU outside of the Zion/Bagley/Barrett trio. It’s a gamble either way but we should be rewarded in the end
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BeddieKU23 said:
Good point, I think as you mentioned Self recruited all these transfers to prevent the down year. He knew that years of putting guys in the league was going to come back at some point and after this year with the graduation of Graham he’s at a true turning point for the “old recruiting” methods.
Today’s landscape has changed and these guys who have D-1 experience, talent, and a sit-out year are going to be better players for KU outside of the Zion/Bagley/Barrett trio. It’s a gamble either way but we should be rewarded in the end
Yep. Assuming KU lands Grimes and another guard (Carey, Dotson, whoever) it really lets Self ease in the multi-year guard instead of having to trot them out there for 30+ minutes a game.
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If anyone wants a nice negative read on KU recruiting tonto (known troll, also has a separate account pretending to be a UK fan that he trolls UK fans with) put up a thread on the shiver. Just such typical tonto. KU will get no one in 2018 or 2019. Time to cancel the program @BeddieKU23
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I don’t think the guys wanted to go to Italy anyway, we should just close the doors now. Every fanbase has some jack-rabbits
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Jaylen Carey has listed top 10. - - - -Syracuse, Norte Dame, Rutgers, Miami, Florida, Seton Hall, Indiana, U Conn, Temple, & KU.
Might not be to bad of a quality 4 year player 2018. I don’t know but from the list of ten, looks like at first glance might be kind of hard pulling him off the East Coast. Whaaa, like 7-10 on the Eastern third?
Only KU - -Indiana right we shall see I guess what plays out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Jaylen Carey has listed top 10. - - - -Syracuse, Norte Dame, Rutgers, Miami, Florida, Seton Hall, Indiana, U Conn, Temple, & KU.
Might not be to bad of a quality 4 year player 2018. I don’t know but from the list of ten, looks like at first glance might be kind of hard pulling him off the East Coast. Whaaa, like 7-10 on the Eastern third?
Only KU - -Indiana right we shall see I guess what plays out. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Mentioned him a bit back. If KU presses (and they should imo) I think he would commit. He’s a top 50 talent, so he might not be a 4 year player (perhaps 3). He likes KU and Norm. Norm running point on him of course.
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We will have to fight off the 2 East Schools (Uconn, Seton Hall where he’s visited unofficially and who talks to him daily) and Miami at the moment. Not sure where he falls in priority list but we definitely have work to make up for him. Said he wants to play early and be in a style of play that fits him (mentioned ACC & Pac-12 for that). We’ll see what happens, he’s going to get more offers
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@BeddieKU23 So what I’m reading between the lines also then is that I’m getting a feel that you & B shark both feel as though he will rise further up the charts current # 82? -Is he a pretty solid PG you think? - What about Syracuse - -Norte dame? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yes he’s better then his current ranking and he’ll rise up whenever they make their updates. There are definitely not 15 better PG’s then him, even with the PG position IMO having the most depth in the entire class. He’s got NBA potential down the road
He’s 6’3, long and a really good athlete. He also defends which I think enhances his reputation. I think he’ll end up in the 40ish area, but it all depends if he gets his team to Peach Jam and keeps performing at the level he’s been at. I also think he’ll get some more offers which can also influence his ranking…
He had a game recently where he went for 36 and made 6 3’s so he’s definitely got the ability to take a game over.
I hope we keep after him because the local schools have done their work with him early and consistently. He’s been interested in KU for a while and has a good relationship with Norm which can always be a plus. With Charlie Moore on the roster we probably are not going to be as attractive to him as he wants to play early.
Syracuse just offered him after seeing him in the last session. I don’t see him as a fit there. Not sure about Notre Dame although he is a program fit for them. Miami has started to go after him and he mentioned the ACC as intriguing for the style of play he wants to play in.
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This was in Duke recruiting but relevant to KU.
Question - Jalen Carey
Answer - Kansas
And I consider it reliable from the one person who does have a lot of contacts within AAU
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Like what I’m reading there. Outside of McCormack, doesn’t seem like KU and Duke are playing much in the same pool for 18.
And ya I’d love to see KU close Carey early.
LOL if St Johns gets Reid and Muhammed.
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Definitely there’s some optimism with Carey right now. I also think that what AS is hearing could be the after effect of him being offered and we’ll see if that changes if Carey continues to produce on the AAU circuit. I think a few more big programs will enter the discussion for him because I don’t see a tremendous difference between him and the guys ranked ahead of him at the PG position.
We’ll see what happens with this guy moving forward, pulling kids from the East is hard if he’s not open to leaving (which he mentioned was not an issue)
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Duke has kicked the tires on Grimes and Dotson (Dotson more so lately then ever). Sounds like McCormack could be Duke’s to lose which sucks, he’s a huge dude with some considerable upside still to him as he continues to shape his body.
And I agree it would be nice to not be up against them for some of our top targets.
Reid has a handler so if the handler wants him at ST J’s, well we know how that goes down
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If Grimes isn’t closed I don’t even…
Could live w/o Dotson though he has been hooping out lately. Grimes/Carey is an extremely good pairing. Would be looking at a guard rotation of Grimes/Moore/Carey/Garrett/Cunliffe. Fire.
Definitely seems like Duke will lock up McCormack.
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We don’t hear much about Grimes and with Zona, Duke and others invested in him you can never be certain he’ll end up here. I think the key to him ending up at KU is Newman ballin out and going pro. We are not going to land his caliber of talent without having the spot handed to him from day-1.
Getting Charlie Moore took the pressure off getting Dotson. I expect we may back off or Dotson will see that KU has already signed someone similar to him. Which sucks because I do think Dotson is really good and have been very high on his game
Agree on the Grimes/Carey pairing, great size, athletic ability, the whole package.
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Ya know, I realize still another year off BUT mercy looks like sure seems like 2019 if we play it right could be a monster year for us in recruiting. So many players we are high on or they are high on us.
Hurt - - Jeffries - - Leech - - Lawson - - Robinson Earl - - Harvey & then committed Jacobs.
Everyone of these guys we are leading - -and leading big, Example: Leech 100 % KU and not only that - -KU is the only one he shows interest as in warm - all others cool interest, -Robinson Earl the same - -KU only one of interest KU 100 % and warmer all others cool interest. Harvey the same 100% KU all others cool. - -thing is with Harvey sounds like he is planning on attending KU late night AGAIN this yr, attended last year, went to some games - o me - -that sounds like this kid wants to play here bad all we have to do is show continued interest. DJ Jeffries, list us in his top five -all including us is cool right now but could be he is just focusing in play right now no favorite at this point that I see.
Read off there too that yes we are in the lead now as we thought might happen for Chandler Lawson. - CB showing us with 71% to Memphis 29% and we know the story there. Pipeline here to Ku with the brothers so that would look good
My question becomes if we have a scenario where we have the opportunity for same type of players with not a huge gap in talent or ranking using Harvey who seems like he REALLY wants to come and we got another very talented player that wants to come - - what do we do? - -Do we shun/ignore our local talented kid for the other? - -could that not come back to bit us in the ass later? Say we ignore Robinson Earl - -Harvey - -Berry. - - should we just look the other way from local talent that can be really solid? for another player of equal or maybe some better - that’s kind of touchy ground if you ask me - -could get a bad rap out of that, bad reputation locally - -so what do we do? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The crystal ball is not to be trusted.
That said KU is very strong with Leech and JRE. Hurt I could see going many other places, like say Duke. I’ll say it right now KU can’t take JRE, Chandler Lawson and Matt Hurt.
In my perfect world KU gets Jacobs (duh), Harvey, Leech, JRE and Chandler Lawson. Any bigger class than that I think we need to be closer to 19 to see how many scholarships are available.
After Ayton I will never say any recruit is in the bag until they are signed, sealed, on campus… But KU is in super deep with Grimes. It would be a true shocker.
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You don’t ignore Harvey, JRE or Berry. You take their commitments today if they want to give them.
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jayballer54 said:
Ya know, I realize still another year off BUT mercy looks like sure seems like 2019 if we play it right could be a monster year for us in recruiting. So many players we are high on or they are high on us.
Hurt - - Jeffries - - Leech - - Lawson - - Robinson Earl - - Harvey & then committed Jacobs.
Everyone of these guys we are leading - -and leading big, Example: Leech 100 % KU and not only that - -KU is the only one he shows interest as in warm - all others cool interest, -Robinson Earl the same - -KU only one of interest KU 100 % and warmer all others cool interest. Harvey the same 100% KU all others cool. - -thing is with Harvey sounds like he is planning on attending KU late night AGAIN this yr, attended last year, went to some games - o me - -that sounds like this kid wants to play here bad all we have to do is show continued interest. DJ Jeffries, list us in his top five -all including us is cool right now but could be he is just focusing in play right now no favorite at this point that I see.
Read off there too that yes we are in the lead now as we thought might happen for Chandler Lawson. - CB showing us with 71% to Memphis 29% and we know the story there. Pipeline here to Ku with the brothers so that would look good
My question becomes if we have a scenario where we have the opportunity for same type of players with not a huge gap in talent or ranking using Harvey who seems like he REALLY wants to come and we got another very talented player that wants to come - - what do we do? - -Do we shun/ignore our local talented kid for the other? - -could that not come back to bit us in the ass later? Say we ignore Robinson Earl - -Harvey - -Berry. - - should we just look the other way from local talent that can be really solid? for another player of equal or maybe some better - that’s kind of touchy ground if you ask me - -could get a bad rap out of that, bad reputation locally - -so what do we do? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Robinson Earl has UNC and others after him. In the end if KU puts the effort in I do see him staying local. He’s not someone you pass on, it just won’t happen.
Harvey, same position has others starting to show interest but KU will have the best shot if they make him priority. As long as he continues to improve he’s got a great chance of staying home.
Leech likes KU, we’ll see if anything has changed with him. We got in early for him which helps.
I think Chandler Lawson is a lock. Have no idea what Jeffries will do.
Hurt I think ends up in Big-10 country, just my gut feeling at the moment. There’s been a lot of movement for KU in 19
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Agree, he should be apart of the class. I just feel that he’ll want assurance Newman isn’t here first.
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Easily Leech’s first big offer, maybe his first D1 offer. I know KU offered before his SO year. He is so, so good.
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@BShark what’s leech’s first name?
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BShark said:
Easily Leech’s first big offer, maybe his first D1 offer. I know KU offered before his SO year. He is so, so good.
Definitely, I’m waiting to see some new video on him. Any clue what AAU team he ended up on?
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Having the Lawson’s has given us a heads up over others on their brothers for sure. Chances of the family moving here sound reasonably good They made mention in the LJW article about how if they moved here how hard it would be and what a ball game it would be a hot bed to see at the local high schools if the .Lawson younger brothers moved here to Lawrence.
You got Chandler who is # 34 right now - -then sounds like the youngest might be a real stud. talk about you might think to early for rankings - -BUT like they say Future 150. com has Jonathan Lawson a 6ft 5 160 lb ranked # 6 right now so we might have some talent for awhile sure can’t hurt with the brothers playing here.
On a side note as they were talking about Jonathan - -they mentioned he is two slots above another local in state player to keep our eye on out of Wichita - -He is ranked # 8 in the future 150.com he is a 6’2 Pg named Daylan Jones.
So have we heard anything on him yet? I’m sure we checking him out for sure must be pretty decent - -I’m sure if it comes to it we be fighting Marsha for him. - - Anyone fill me in about him - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well little more info. - - -1st the funny stuff. -Just read off the shiver, there was new thread about Duval , and talking about when he was announcing. - -people talking - -then Matt comes in and says - -there is a rumor going around that Duval is planning on announcing on Monday Night Raw wrestling in Philly I believe - -LMAO how funny is that? - -Welp he said his daid was working on something huge where it was something that never had been done before v- -SO there you go - -I’m getting to the point more and more every day glad he isn’t coming here - -real attention seeker - -look at me.
Also red where we offered just today for the class of 2020 Greg Brown, from Austin Texas. A 6’6 SF the schools listed right now Texas, A&M - - Calfornia - -Oklahoma - -Texas - -& KU so there you go lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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How about Kansas?
Kansas, they told me how I’m a big priority to them. They definitely want me to get to campus and come to the games. They said they play a lot of guards.
I remember that your mother also had gone there. So, that must help them a little bit.
Yeah, she’s fine. She doesn’t pressure me at all with Kansas. She wants me to pick the right school, pick whatever’s the right fit for me. There’s no pressure at all.
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@BShark sounds disinterested and not worth pursuing.
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Looks like Emmitt Williams will be someone we can just forget about. Reading his handler is the one who put Blakeney from Louisville to LSU… That was when Pitino started yapping about the shoe war “behind the scenes” recruiting… Just crazy with these kids
So if we have a chance for Williams we all know ahead of time its because he’s being placed there…
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@BShark His quote goes into detail about winning a national championship with 'Tucky. That’s where I would guess he goes, simply by the emphasis in his quote. He is envisioning playing there.
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He was asked to explain Kentucky’s pitch and did.
We will see what happens. His mom + Adidas I think will get it done for KU
Well that sucks but good to know.
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Seemed like a well open interview. Usually its one-sided towards one program recruiting the player. Nothing great to say about KU, interesting to note that he was quick to say his mother’s preference for KU wasn’t a factor. Can never believe that, he’s playing the game
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Yeah Slater does good work.
As far as Grimes yeah he said good things about every school. Really, he just described the pitch of each school and UK’s pitch isn’t surprising one bit.
And yeah, these kids don’t want to spill the beans early, even in very obvious situations. Part of it is they want other coaches to keep coming to see them, mainly for their teammates that might be fringe D1 guys.
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Hey, got a question. Heard guys talking about these two pretty frequently. My question is and this is certainly because I simply don’t know. - - I have heard kind seems some are kind of cool of Dotson. - -talking about how they much would rather have Grimes. I understand he is a higher ranked player - -but both are really very good players, maybe I’m not seeing something - -is there something off the court with Dotson? - - is a black sheep? I don’t know simple question. - I would love either one of them - -just curious. thanks guys. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I would bet money that the staff would take Dotson’s commitment today if he were willing.
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@BShark Thanks. - -was just curious. - - just seen sometimes where was mentioned some wouldn’t be rally that upset if we didn’t land Dotson. - -This is probably clear cut question - sure of the answer on this, it’ would be one or the other I’m sure - -no way BOTH would land here - -or is there? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Hey, got a question. Heard guys talking about these two pretty frequently. My question is and this is certainly because I simply don’t know. - - I have heard kind seems some are kind of cool of Dotson. - -talking about how they much would rather have Grimes. I understand he is a higher ranked player - -but both are really very good players, maybe I’m not seeing something - -is there something off the court with Dotson? - - is a black sheep? I don’t know simple question. - I would love either one of them - -just curious. thanks guys. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
When we landed Charlie Moore that took the pressure off landing multiple top guards. Moore and Dotson are similar height so the staff is probably not looking to ideally get 2 small guards. Who knows though, Dotson is playing very well this spring and making a push to be ranked higher.
Of the 2, Grimes is an NBA player in 1-2 years. He’s got the size to play PG at the next level and the game as well. Grimes is capable of playing both guard positions in College which I think a lot of KU fans recognize he’s the perfect fit to take Newman’s spot after next season.
I think some of the local schools will push on Dotson to stay home as this thing moves forward. Duke has made him a bigger priority, although he still falls behind Jones/Garland right now on their board. NC St will push for him with all the open scholarships they have and we can bet every dollar we own Dotson is going to end up somewhere where he can start as a freshman. Charlie Moore makes that seem unlikely at KU…
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Dooobie doobie dooo…
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Well looks like Tucker basically committed to Duke the second they told them he could.
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@BShark Ya I think they said they offered Saturday and he commits last night something like that, He stated is was Basically Syracuse and nobody else being considered then BAM good ol rat face. - -Tucker said just made his decision harder- - - lol - - Really? -doesn’t look like it must of been to hard for ya. Crazy stuff. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yeah he ALWAYS wanted Duke. Word was he was waiting on the Duke offer. They ended up whiffing a lot so he got it.
