KU Crushes Refs 90-70, and Gets a W over MSU, Too
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HOWLING!!!
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FWIW, I also noticed the asymmetry. The basket interference call was complete ref interference. The replay showed the hand on the net was an MSU player, but they took the basket from KU.
The technical on Vick was also ref interference. They were trying a little too hard to control the game, so say the least.
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@bskeet Both of those could have gone either way. Josh’s hand was right there. Wasn’t blatantly a missed call. Vick’s T, and this is just me, but, you make a great play, and so you have to stare down your opponent? Stupid, again, just my view on that, and so I so I can see why the ref called that.
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@wissox He said something directly to the guy, too.
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The technical foul on Vick. That is my contribution to this discussion.
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@mayjay I was trying to see if he had said something. The thing is, we all look at the little screen in front of us and see something and think we know what happened. Sometimes we do, like the n0 call in the NW game Saturday. But none of us heard what else happened there with Vick.
Once when I was reffing a guy was on the sideline. He was on his toes with his heels over the line. I saw it clearly, but to everyone in the gym yelling at me, his foot was clearly on the line, but it wasn’t. And as mentioned before, I’m guilty as charged, I’m always yelling at the refs. I’m still irate (ish) over KU duke (did ya’ll see they lost last night!!!) in 1986.
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I thought it was pretty even overall. A couple of bad calls (both on Jackson, oddly enough), but that was about it. Michigan State probably howled over at least one of the calls against their big man, maybe two. Overall though, pretty evenly whistled.
The T on Vick really depends on what was said more than anything. It didn’t look like much on TV, but if he said something that crossed the line, I can understand it. I didn’t like the call, but the official called it so quick that I do wonder what Vick said.
That was the only really iffy thing, and unless you know what Vick said, it’s impossible to truly judge.
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Me, I am approaching the point in which I wonder if Vick is just eat up with dumb or if he is just studying to be a master of bad judgments. Evidently, last year he kicked a girl; this year taunted a former girlfriend who retaliated by tossing a drink at him, acts which stirred the beast lying dormant in our hero Josh Jackson; then this controversial technical foul at a key moment on the national stage. What is with this kid? He is very much lurking in the wings, awaiting the call for starting minutes next season. Time for him to grow into respectable and reliable status. I would hope to be able to cheer him to future glory.
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@REHawk He & Bragg are direct competition for the teams IBI Award.
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How about when the MSU player shoved Jackson off the court while chasing the ball? This happened after two bad calls and CBS chose not to show a replay. Also, Bridges bumped Jackson’s shoulder hard while heading to the sideline and a MSU slammed the ball hard…both should have been called as Ts, considering the one they called on Vick.
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@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, I was incensed by some of those overlooked incidents, too. But Vick? Fact is, he drew a call. Might have more than something to do with his occasional facial demeanor. Looks like a guy, who when so moved, could make me nervous in his vicinity on a lonely midnight street! Hudy intensifies his strength training this summer, next season he’ll be the guy in the news captions staring opponents down. Refs might focus even more on his looks or snarls.
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"Might have more than something to do with his occasional facial demeanor. Looks like a guy, who when so moved, could make me nervous in his vicinity on a lonely midnight street."
If this is the case, I bet Frank Martin makes you wet your pants…
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@JayHawkFanToo HA! You betcha! Although Frank’s demeanor is more forceful to me than threatening. Vick racks up another 15 or 20 pounds and he could back a doberman off his doorstep.
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@wissox The replay made it look like MSU player’s hand was in the cylinder… but agree, there were Jayhawk hands all around. 95/100 times that is a no-call… Yes it could have gone either way, but it didn’t really interfere with the basket and it seemed ref-indulgent to me.
On Vick’s play: I agree it was stupid on his part to stare and say something. I think that behavior gets a T about 50% of the time or a little less. Totally the refs’ prerogative, but it didn’t look like Vick was provoking or taunting, from my comfy couch
Anyway, I also agree that the refs are trying to do the best they can, but sometimes it seems like they insert themselves more than they need to (well-intentioned, i’m sure)… and when they do, it’s usually at the expense of one of the teams.
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@bskeet then call the bumping on frank by bridges on the dead ball.
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@jaybate-1.0 I really didn’t think the refs were favoring either side…but reading your post has shone the light on how inexperienced I still am about the sport by way of foul calls. I remember seeing that terrible call on Josh, zero contact at all. I also remember seeing replay of one call that they got right when initially I was like WTF was that?!
So, yeah, I still think I’m relatively naïve on how the fouls are called but I think the refs made some good ones as well.
PS. my two favorite moments in the game were when Josh threw down that nasty dunk after a drive to the hoop in the second half and Frank Mason going toe to toe with that big, Bridges, I think? Freeking awesome!
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@wissox Vick didn’t just stare him down, he flat out yelled some Ish at the guy. I thought it was brilliant but he so deserved that Tech for it
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@REHawk You know what, I don’t really feel that way about Vick. Especially knowing about the trash talking and blatant attempts to intimidate our KU boys by MSU players. Case in point. Frank getting toe to toe glaring at MSU’s big guy, the very same who is a friend of Josh’s, both were talking at eachother. Its just game and I think Vick was just trying to give it back to MSU.
Sure, Vick’s had his share of stupid decisions but he’s a college kid. Werent we all like that? I sure as hell was.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
How about when the MSU player shoved Jackson off the court while chasing the ball? This happened after two bad calls and CBS chose not to show a replay. Also, Bridges bumped Jackson’s shoulder hard while heading to the sideline and a MSU slammed the ball hard…both should have been called as Ts, considering the one they called on Vick.
Boom.
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Here is how one KU players feels…
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“This happened after two bad calls and CBS chose not to show a replay” –@JayHawkFanToo
You hit this out of the park; this steamed me so much I forgot to mention it.
CBS doesn’t show the egregious fouls of the teams it shills for.
I HATE THIS ABOUT CBS!!!
It’s like watching fake basketball news sometimes!!!
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CBS = North Korea confirmed.
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@BShark have you seen any replays of josh getting shoved out?
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I believe the NCAA has instructed CBS to minimize showing bad calls by the refs and since they already showed 2, this would have made 3 bad calls in a row.
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I think what you folks are referring to are KU reactions to MSU trash-talking that was going on early and often throughout the game. Sample: Bridges trying to intimidate Frank (“Get up, Boy”). MSU needed to do that because they were out-talented and out-experienced and must have felt vindicated that, with the “unseen hand of the market” they were able to hang so close to an obviously superior team.
