2018 Kansas Jayhawks Football Recruiting
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@jayballer54 Unless KU adds a few more 4 star players, they’re not finishing with a top 25 class. We have three 4 star kids signed right now, last year the highest rated class with only three 4 star kids was Colorado with the 32nd ranked class and they had two 4 star kids. KU needs to get to five or six 4 star kids to have a realistic shot at a top 25 class. KU’s current class is shaping up to be similar in rankings to the 2009 class that was 33rd and had four 4 star kids in it.
This is a good class, and even if KU keeps everyone already committed, it’s not likely going to finish as a top 25 class without a few more 4 star kids in it.
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There’s 3 guys KU can land that would give KU a realistic shot at a top 25 class, but if KU doesn’t land at least 2 of them, the odds of a top 25 class are very slim. KU needs to flip CB Kelvin Joseph, needs to add WR Lawrence Keys out of New Orleans, and needs to land KC area kid Mario Goodrich. Those are the 3 most likely 4 star kids out there KU can land, but without at least 2 of them, KU will not have a top 25 class this year.
We also know KU will probably be adding some local 2 star kids in this class which will drag the rankings down because KS kids are rarely regarded very highly in recruiting so balancing out the 4 and 2 star kids will be key to keeping the ranking as high as possible.
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I’m overly happy with what we got - -well be just fine - -we’ll have a much higher ranked class then we have had since the stone age, top twenty - -top thirthy I’m not gonna complain , the league has been put on notice - as the said on the Rivals Pod Cast whether KU keeps these guys or not – very notable improvement said they don’t see how there could be ANYTHING but positive come out of this class - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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What? It’s Sunday morning and I haven’t seen a report of a new 4 star recruit announcing for KU. Did our coaches take the weekend off? If they did, it’s well deserved. Keep up the good work fellas.
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Just lost a 3 star commit from the other day.
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@Kcmatt7 who was it? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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JaMarr chase
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@Crimsonorblue22 and so it begins, he was a huge get for us - -dam. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Crimsonorblue22 Chase was a 4 star. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Come back home to KU JarMarr. No finer love than the appreciation you will get on Mt. Oread.
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KU landed a recruit from the spring game this weekend. WR, Tevailance Hunt from Texarkana, TX. Hunt is a 3 star WR who had offers from ISU and a bunch of C-USA and Sun Belt schools with some other random programs thrown in from non P5 leagues.
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HEY, we got our 1st in state recruit last night. Mac Copeland a 6ft 5 OL out of Wichita. - -Played for Wichita Collegiate. - -Both his older brothers played for that OTHER SCHOOL down inner state the one still in school is a linebacker I think they said. - -Rivals as of today still has us as the 14th best recruiting class in the Nation & 247 sports has us as 15th.
On another note has anyone heard anymore? – They are talking about players being able to sign in December now trying to be a new rule implemented. That would be good instead of having to wait till what Feb. ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I read that a redshirt safety has left KU program. He wants to become a RB and will be looking at a program where he can get this opportunity. I am not sure if this departure will have any impact on the program.
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@AsadZ Thanks for the update. I always look for KU football news, but it’s hard to find this time of year.
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@AsadZ He is from Lawrence - I think Free State, not a major loss, they had been trying him out a safety - -But in his heart he just wanted to play a different role he was looking more for a RB position. - -Said he appreciated Coach Beaty -But just didn’t work out. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@AsadZ @jayballer54 Yes he was from free state in Lawrence. He red shirted as a freshman last year, playing safety. I think he realized he wasn’t going to play at a D1 school. No hating here friends lets wish one of our home grown the best.
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@kjayhawks Na as far as me - - I know I’m not hating, kind of like what you said, realized he just wasn’t going to play D-1 hope nothing but the best where ever he lands. Best of luck to him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Bowen landed a stud DE apparently…
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Miles Emery - #2 player in the state out of Overland Park.
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@Kcmatt7 Ya Scout has him as the top Defensive in the State of Kansas, offers from KU, I owa St Oklahoma, Louisville, Texas Nebraska, Texas had showed interest but hadn’t offered , - -UCF nice catch this is what we need - -start landing even more of OUR OWN top prospects, -have to lie the way things are going with the program - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Emery out of Blue Valley North- -# 40 position rank & # 1 Defensive end in the State of Kansas. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well with the verbal from Emery I just saw we jumped back up in the National Rankings off 247 sports - -we went from # 32 in the Nation, jumped back up to # 26 in the National, - -Rivals has us as the # 19 class in the Nation. Ya I know still verbals but STILL got to like how the staff is working their tails off to get this thing turned around. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Awesome rundown on the Louisiana guys, thank you! There isnt this type of excitement or recruiting going on at Purple, is there? Snyder doesnt have an audience with LSU/Bama/SEC type recruits, does he?
If Beaty’s shrewdness with his asst coaching hires carries over into his playcalling, this whole enchilada just started to grow some wheels…the jimmys and joes to run those x’s and o’s, so they say.
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@JhwkrRedLegs Well at the present we ( KU ) according to Rivals we have the 20th ranked class in the Nation. - -247 sports has us 26th. Main while back at the Purple ranch of doo doo -247 has K- Straight ranked at # 82 in the Nation. - - Can we get a EMAW right about now? - - lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Will we keep Clayton Tune? Is he likely to be the answer to our QB woes? I watched highlights of his junior year play and thought he looked good. He passes and rushes as part of the team’s offense. His willingness to run reminds me of Carter Stanley. As always, I still worry that we don’t have a high enough level of athlete at QB to advance the program. Coach Beatty is certainly getting the other pieces, but QB?
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Well read today that Coach has gotten 3 more verbals. All defensive line players. - 2 Juco’s and one high School
Josh Smith 6’4 - -247 lbs DL out of the same High School as Devonta - -and Coraine - - comes from Landry Walker. - -Three star offers from Houston, Iowa State and others
Then 2 juco players - -same juco: Jonathan Lolohea , and Charles Cameron. - - - Lolohea is 6’3 - -305 DL - -offers from Arizona , Colorado , KSU , Louisville , TCU and others
Cameron is 6’3- - -290 DL had offers from Colorado , Louisville and others
Rivals as of yesterday now has us as the # 12 team ranking and - -247 has us as the # 20 - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
Well read today that Coach has gotten 3 more verbals. All defensive line players. - 2 Juco’s and one high School
Josh Smith 6’4 - -247 lbs DL out of the same High School as Devonta - -and Coraine - - comes from Landry Walker. - -Three star offers from Houston, Iowa State and others
Then 2 juco players - -same juco: Jonathan Lolohea , and Charles Cameron. - - - Lolohea is 6’3 - -305 DL - -offers from Arizona , Colorado , KSU , Louisville , TCU and others
Cameron is 6’3- - -290 DL had offers from Colorado , Louisville and others
Rivals as of yesterday now has us as the # 12 team ranking and - -247 has us as the # 20 - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Imagine if we won a few games this season…
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@stoptheflop Well at least Tom Keegan responds to my questions over on KUSports.
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@stoptheflop What did he say?
I personally don’t think QB is that important in CFB. Not like the NFL at least. Schemes can make poor QBs look good. See every Big XII QB for the past at least 10 seasons. Get a guy with a big arm on campus and then let him throw to some big athletes on the outside.
You win CFB by putting athletes on the field at every other position and simply finding a QB capable of getting them the ball. Looks to me like KU is on the right path to have a good scheme and good athletes all over the field. I don’t think we are a 5 win team until next season, but it could arrive early. Depends on if the defense is as good as last year or not. Our offense will take another step forward this year. Would be hard for it not to. But it still won’t be able to outscore another team unless our defense is nasty. Bender is only a factor because he might be able to throw the ball further down the field. He could let our play makers actually make plays.
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@Kcmatt7 Keegan just mentioned that Tune is a dual threat and is also part of the 2018 recruiting class. Our QB play must limit the turnovers and keep the ball in the hands of the offense. We just have too many short offensive possessions and I don’t think the offensive line has been the main problem. It says a lot that both our starters from the beginning of last season have now transferred.
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@Kcmatt7 QB’s are huge in the success if CFB programs that aren’t loaded with NFL talent at every position like Alabama. Baylor is the perfect example of this when they had RG3. The year he won the Heisman, I believe Baylor finished the year 8-5. Without RG3, that Baylor team finishes at or near the bottom of the Big 12.
Another reason a QB makes a difference is that one that can run forces defenses to spy him which takes away someone covering the receivers and creates more man coverage opportunities for the WR’s. If the QB doesn’t have great scrambling abilities, then a huge arm can force the safeties to play off the line much more frequently and open up the running game and short passing game more.
KU’s QB issues of not having a good runner or someone who can throw a good deep ball has meant that opposing defenses could line up all 11 guys within 8 or so yards of the line and defend the running game and short passing game without worrying much about getting burned deep.
What KU has on offense this year is a QB who appears capable of throwing a good deep ball and forcing defenses to respect KU’s deep game. This will open up the bubble and tunnel screens that we saw so much last year run with minimal success be more successful because now there’s the threat that one of the Big 3 receivers can run a deep route with this combo and kill the defense.
KU has been a very good running team the past several years until last year, but couldn’t score worth a damn because we had no QB to get the ball to receivers with any consistency. Part of that was the OLine with Crist and Heaps, but Cozart and Willis just had no accuracy and Stanley lacks the arm strength to hit deep throws.
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QB is by far the most important position at any level. They can help make up for other deficiencies. Great oline and QB and well, your RB and WRs almost don’t even matter.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 QB’s are huge in the success if CFB programs that aren’t loaded with NFL talent at every position like Alabama. Baylor is the perfect example of this when they had RG3. The year he won the Heisman, I believe Baylor finished the year 8-5. Without RG3, that Baylor team finishes at or near the bottom of the Big 12.
Another reason a QB makes a difference is that one that can run forces defenses to spy him which takes away someone covering the receivers and creates more man coverage opportunities for the WR’s. If the QB doesn’t have great scrambling abilities, then a huge arm can force the safeties to play off the line much more frequently and open up the running game and short passing game more.
KU’s QB issues of not having a good runner or someone who can throw a good deep ball has meant that opposing defenses could line up all 11 guys within 8 or so yards of the line and defend the running game and short passing game without worrying much about getting burned deep.
What KU has on offense this year is a QB who appears capable of throwing a good deep ball and forcing defenses to respect KU’s deep game. This will open up the bubble and tunnel screens that we saw so much last year run with minimal success be more successful because now there’s the threat that one of the Big 3 receivers can run a deep route with this combo and kill the defense.
KU has been a very good running team the past several years until last year, but couldn’t score worth a damn because we had no QB to get the ball to receivers with any consistency. Part of that was the OLine with Crist and Heaps, but Cozart and Willis just had no accuracy and Stanley lacks the arm strength to hit deep throws.
They went 10-3 in RG3’s Senior Heisman campaign. And followed that up with an 8-5 record with Nick Florence. And followed that up with an 11-2 record with Petty.
3 QB’s no losing seasons.
I have coached football at the High School level. And I would rather have a very average QB and 10 other studs than I would 1 freak QB and 10 other average guys. A QB with an arm stretches the field. But nothing stretches the field like a WR you have to double-team. Nothing opens up the deep ball like an O-Line and RB that are gashing a team for 10 yards at a time. Your QB needs to have general football IQ and a D1 arm. You surround that with talent and you win games. Consistently. Look at KSU, who I would rather look at as the model of consistency and how to win games in the Big XII while not being in Texas. We can be KSU with more talented players. A better KSU. But it starts with getting talent at other spots.
Just ask Dane Christ and Jake Heaps about what they were surrounded by. No stretching the field without a receiver who can outrun a defense. No matter how big of an arm your QB has.
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@Kcmatt7 KU’s not getting 10 studs on offense other than the QB, that’s a reality. When KSU is contending in the Big 12, it’s the years they have a great QB like Colin Klein, Ell Roberson, or Michael Bishop. The years MAY doesn’t have great QB play, they struggle quite a bit.
It’s much easier to find one great athlete, stick him under center, and teach him how to read defenses at the college level than to have 10 great players and an average QB.
What turned Baylor and OSU into top tier Big 12 programs? It wasn’t 10 great players and average QB play, it a was a great QB surrounded by average to slightly above average players and the supporting cast improved from there.
You coach HS football, great. Go look at a lot of non football factories at that level and notice who the QB is. It’s almost always the best athlete on the team because that gives that team the best chance to win the most games possible.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Until I see an Air Raid QB have a successful NFL career, there is no way I can agree with your premise. All you need is a guy who can sling it 50 yards down the field. Baylor, OSU, TCU and TTU are proof. Let’s not pretend Briles landed 3 amazing QBs in a row. That TTU is some place of QB prodigy. Or that OSU has done anything special with a QB. Where are any of those QBs now? Not one of those guys has had a successful pro career. Why? Because they can’t even read a defense. It is all scheming to get guys open and the QB just has to key off of one guy. It is why they run the no huddle. It allows the coaches to read the defense so the QB doesn’t have to. Now, how many of those receivers have had successful NFL careers for those same teams in that same time span ? Tons. Tons of Big XII receivers have had solid pro careers. Ifso facto, not the QB that is winning these games. It is all scheme and talent on the outside.
And yes, non football factories put their best player at QB. And very rarely are those the best teams that year. It is a last resort strategy. To take a player out of what would be his best position and put him at QB because you don’t have anyone who could get that guy the ball is a last resort strategy. I have had to coach teams like that too. And I can tell you that it isn’t an option at the College Level if you are trying to build a competitive program. If you end up with a guy who is an athlete and plays QB, fine. That is a bonus. But you don’t make that priority #1. Priority #1 is finding a guy who can simply get your best athletes the ball anywhere on the field.
Rarely is the QB the actual problem, unless it is the fact that the QB can’t throw a football. If an offense is struggling, it is typically because the coaches’ play calling or the defense is more athletic than your offensive players. If you continue the full-court press on recruiting like we have been, and build up depth, we will be able to have 7 or 8 studs on the field at a time. Enough to overcome and QB deficiency. It is easy to say Reesing was a great QB when he was throwing to 4 guys who ended up making NFL rosters.
Problem for KU is that they just don’t have a D1 caliber QB at the moment or the athletes to even make a D1 QB look good when we do get one. You can say, put an athlete at QB in the short-term. Just like we are some shitty high school football team. But at some point, if you are looking to build a program capable of going on BCS Bowl Runs, you have to stack your team with talent. That 07 team had 9 pros on it. And Todd Reesing wasn’t one of them. We can get that level of talent to KU in those numbers. Maybe not every season like Bama. But we can align the stars once every 3 or 4 years like KState does.
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@Kcmatt7 Newsflash: College football is not the NFL and it takes different skill sets to be successful at each level. Look at Russell Wilson, he wasn’t even good enough to win the starting job at NC State and yet he was good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Therefore, I DON’T CARE IF A KU QUARTERBACK IS SUCCESSFUL IN THE NFL. I care that a KU QB is successful at KU. KU will never be able to have the kind of talent to operate in manner you wish. You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first. KU has to find ways to win just like Baylor and OSU have and that’s through finding great college QB’s even if they don’t have an NFL future.
You mentioned KU ended up with 9 players drafted off the Orange Bowl team in the years after the Orange Bowl. Consider that Alabama just had 10 players drafted in the 2017 NFL draft alone and still couldn’t win a national title. They still got beat by the Air Raid and QB who could run. Do you Clemson fans care more about Watson being successful with the Texans or that he won a national title at Clemson? Do Kansas fans largely care that Todd Reesing never got a shot at the NFL? Hell no, we care that he won the Orange Bowl.
Do you know why so many programs run some kind of variation of the spread offense? It’s because it exploits the fact that teams don’t have NFL talent all over the field and we’re even seeing those principles work their way to the NFL because of its ability create 1 on 1 match ups and spread the defenders out as much as possible. Throw in a mobile QB that probably doesn’t have an NFL future, and you force defenses to spy the QB taking away another person to cover the receivers. This is why RG3, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, and those types were so successful in college. They had big enough arms to stretch the field, but they were also mobile enough to force defenses to keep spying them which created more 1 on 1 match ups.
This what David Beaty is trying to build to because he knows KU is never going to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma or ever have the talent that Alabama, FSU, USC, and those types of programs will always have. He has to exploit match ups and you do that by having a great college QB.
So please stop trying pretend that KU can be successful in college football by trying to build an NFL style roster because it’s never going to happen. KU is going to be successful in college football by building a college style roster because a college style roster will be successful at college football.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You clearly don’t know the Russell Wilson story very well. Stud in College. Every season. Coach got pissed he was committing too much time to baseball and decided to moved on.
And, again, my point is that KU DOES NOT NEED A STUD NFL QB. How you got anything but that from any of my posts I’m not sure.
Do YOU know why so many teams run spread offenses? It’s because it forces the D into M2M, puts smaller defenders on the field and because they have talent on the outside to exploit 1v1 matchups. And because QBs can’t throw guys open at the college level. NFL QBs can barely throw guys open. Coaches want easy reads and schemes so that they can take as much away from the QB and control as much as possible. QB in an up tempo spread offense makes hardly any decisions. So a “great college QB” is really someone who can throw an accurate ball 40 yards down the field. That’s it.
I’m not saying KU needs to recruit with UT, OU etc. I don’t even think we can recruit with TTU, OSU or Baylor. That is why I said we should look at KSU as an example… Young Bill Snyder built up depth, let the cream rise to the top, and had a decade of great football. And then since Snyder has been back, he has had another solid run. 15 of his 25 seasons have been 8 wins or more. 20 of 25 seasons he has been bowl eligible. Absurd.
QBs with 8+ wins under Snyder:
- Chad May
- Matt Miller
- Bryan Kavanagh
- Michael Bishop
- Johnathan Beasley
- Ell Robinson
- Colin Klein
- Jake Waters
- Jesse Ertz
Is he some friggen QB guru? Or is it that these are the WRs those QBs threw to:
- Kevin Lockett
- Andre Coleman
- Darnell McDonald
- Justin Swift
- Quincy Morgan
- Rod Cartwright
- Taco Wallace
- Darren Sproles
- Chris Harper
- Tyler Lockett
If you count, that is 11 receivers in the league during those same seasons… Find a guy to get your talent the ball, absolutely. But it is that talent wins games. We can recruit better than KSU. But we have to learn how to build the same depth and culture that allows KSU to compete with better teams. (Typically it hasn’t been with a mobile QB. Bishop and Klein you remember because they were heisman candidates. Other guys won just as many games).
A more talented KSU is a very scary program. A less talented OSU or Baylor isn’t.
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@Kcmatt7 @Texas-Hawk-10 ah yes a football debate. I love it!!
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@Kcmatt7 Snyder has averaged 8 wins a year over his 25 years. 8 wins is the average so using that as the standard isn’t a great way measure who’s been great since 8 wins is an average season. 10+ wins is a better measure for who’s been great for Snyder.
Colin Klein is the only KSU QB to win 10+ games in a season (2×) since Snyder returned in 2009. Klein and Roberson are the only 2 QB’s to win conference titles in Snyder’s 25 years. Those guys didn’t have any better of a supporting cast than other QB’s, they were just better QB’s than the rest.
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All I know is KU has sucked since they last had a good qb in Todd Reising. Seems pretty important.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 8 wins is not average in the country. So, sure it is a great way to measure it. Bill Snyder, through depth and talent, can win 8 games with anybody behind the center. Something I, as KU fan, would be ecstatic about. And would hope that is what we try to build. Instead of being a crappy version of OSU or Baylor or TCU or Tech.
But to your point, really? Darren Sproles isn’t a supporting cast? 2200 All purpose yards (#1 in the Country that year) to go with 18 touchdowns and 5th in the Heisman vote. What a shit supporting cast. I mean, Roberson literally had to put that entire team on his back.
Klein, had no support either? Just two NFL receivers to pick up his noodle arm that could barely throw the ball 30 yards down field and a running back who put up 1000 yards from scrimmage at 5 yards a carry and ran for 15 TDs. Can you believe that shit? Klein took them all the way by himself. I’m confident I watched several plays they only had 5 linemen and him out there and he completed passes to himself.
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@Kcmatt7 Did I say 8 wins was average for every coach? No, I didn’t, I said 8 wins was average for Snyder because 202 wins over 25 seasons is 8.02 wins per season. David Beaty’s average would be 1 win per season at this point. Funny how math works isn’t it.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I was stating a fact, not correcting you.
8 wins is not the average in the country. So if we can build a program that consistently gets 8 wins with a crappy QB, I think you prove my point.
Anyways, I doubt we end up agreeing, I’d rather agree to disagree at this point. Just remember the next time you think KU has a “Gret College QB,” check to see who he is throwing the ball to. Makes all the difference in the world.
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@dylans Todd Reesing also had a 5-7 season his senior year to go with his 8-5 Junior season. The team progressively got worse, despite the QB.
That 2009 (Senior season) team started 5-0, and finished 0-7. Reesing threw only 13 TD to his 8 INTs in Conference play. If you take you the ISU game which was part of that 5-0 start, he threw 9 TDs and 7 INTs in the last 7 games.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@dylans Todd Reesing also had a 5-7 season his senior year to go with his 8-5 Junior season. The team progressively got worse, despite the QB.
That 2009 (Senior season) team started 5-0, and finished 0-7. Reesing threw only 13 TD to his 8 INTs in Conference play. If you take you the ISU game which was part of that 5-0 start, he threw 9 TDs and 7 INTs in the last 7 games.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
Nevermind that 0-7 coincided with Reesing injuring his groin combined with the team quitting on Mangino that year after the Arist Wright incident.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Excuses… They were on a downhill trajectory from 2007 already. We got curb stomped 4 of those 7 games.
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@Kcmatt7 Teams that quit on coaches tend to lose pretty badly.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 so do teams without solid depth at positions besides QB. 2009 we relied on Meier and Briscoe too much. 2007 we had 7 receivers catch 20+ balls. And Aquib Talib who caught 8 passes for 4 TDs at an explosive 23 yards per reception.
2009 we had only 5 guys with 20+ catches and only 2 of them averaged over 10 yards per reception. Compared to 2007 where we had 5 guys average over 10 yards per reception.
Teams don’t quit when they are winning games. A 5-0 team doesn’t quit. I don’t care if a coach chews a player out and pokes him in the chest. That team doesn’t quit on the field.
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Added 3 D-linemen this week, 2 x 3stars, 1 2 star. 2 of them are juco.
What I like is 1 5star WR, 2 4star WRs, a 4star RB, a 3-4star dual threat TX QB on the roster. Not sure if aTm’s Quiv Gonzalez was a 4 or 5 star, so I counted him as a 4.
KU currently with the 12th ranked football recruiting class… (may change, of course).
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Other than the two recycled QBs during Weiss tenure, I believe the only recruited 5 star player was Talib? Looks like this might be the best class ever at KU???
