Anyone else see? Another one cleared, by the NCAA
jayballer54 last edited by
Well guys, have anyone else seen this article? On ESPN’S site, Tacko Fall the 7 ft 6 in fresh that’s at I believe it said central Flordia, has been cleared to play by the NCAA after threatened to be sued, now he is eligible, this kid wasn’t even allowed to practice, but yet now cleared. he had not been cleared because NCAA informed they wasn’t accepting some of his core classes- - -still don’t get it and yet here we sit on Cheick. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Man, we are getting JOBBED. Selby, McLemore, Diallo…
JhawkAlum last edited by
Can anyone explain the difference between Tacko’s situation and Diallo’s?
hawkmoon2020 last edited by
Can anyone explain why the NCAA hasn’t or can’t make an official public statement regarding their position or problems with Diallo? It would sure clear things up immensely, rather than all these rumors or speculations, and driving the KU fan base simply bonkers!!!
Since we really don’t know any thing about either case and the people in the know are not talking all we can do is guess.
I am sure student privacy laws prevent the NCAA from disclosing information and its own regulation likely require discretion while the investigation is active.
Lulufulu last edited by
@JayHawkFanToo Im guessing that we will see Cheick cleared before the month ends. Purely speculative of course. But, there are lawyers involved now, a lot of high profile names are pushing for Cheick to be cleared ( Dickie V and J Bilas) #FreeDiallo is trending on twitter. All that attention is a negative thing for the NCAA. They are really losing face over this in a major way. If they want to come out of this with even a little bit of subcutaneous tissue left then they better do the right thing here
The NCAA has to follow its rules and regulation and not what the twitter world believes. Bilas and Vitale can scream as loud as they can and it will change nothing, they have no standing and their opinion, although with bigger audience, counts just as much as our does…which we know is zero. Unfortunately, that is reality.
Lulufulu last edited by Lulufulu
@JayHawkFanToo Dude, they dont even follow their own rules!
I get what you are saying here but seriously this is arbitrary rule following by the NCAA. Clearing some guys and not others, letting kids play that dont care about school or education (UNC and UK) and for all intents suspending other kids for actually wanting to get an education and be a student athlete. Its totally bogus.
If the NCAA were following its own rules to the absolute T, then why OH why are lawyers getting involved? Why have two kids’ legal guardians had to lawyer up if the NCAA was keeping everything on the up and up?? Why? You seem like such a smart guy. Answer that question. And this one as well; why is it that you seem to NOT want Diallo cleared? Are you really a Jayhawk fan or some troll imposter of one?
My original point that you seemed to miss is the NCAA is losing a ton of face and credibility here by their actions and alleged rule following.
JayHawkFanToo last edited by JayHawkFanToo
I am sorry but what makes you think that I don;t want Diallo cleared? Just because I respect rules and regulation does not mean I am against Diallo.
Have you stopped for minute and considered that maybe Diallo did not submit all the required documentation like most every other applicant does? Should the NCAA make an exception for him just because he is now at KU and the people in this Forum are getting impatient? If they make an exception for him, why not for others? Pretty soon everybody just gets waved and why even bother? The concept of setting a precedent such as this is called is called a “slippery slope” and once it starts it does not stop.
I just read that the NCAA receives 200,000 applications every year…think about it…200,000 applications and the vast majority of those sail through without a problem and only a handful have issues. The NCAA is doing what it was tasked to do, nothing more and nothing less; I just don’t understand why it is attacked as if it would be the guilty party. The people that make the rules are mostly Athletic Directors of programs (such as KU) that voluntarily join the NCAA; if the rules are so bad, why is it that they don’t change them? This is the equivalent of blaming a police officer for enforcing the law and giving you a speeding ticked when you exceed the posted speed limit. You can argue that the posted speed limit is way too low…see how well it works with a judge…you will be told to talk to the City Traffic/Planning department and get the speed limit changed, but as long as it is in effect and you exceed it, you get a ticket.
Interjecting an attorney in the process does not change anything. Unfortunately our society has changed so much that now surveys show that most people consider lawsuits and the lottery as the top two ways to become a millionaire…whatever happen to hard work? If we change our system where the losing party pays the legal fees, as it is done in many countries, we would see a huge drop in lawsuits. As our laws currently stand, lawyers will sue anyone and for any reason because, particularity big corporations, will pay them to go away since it is cheaper than incurring legal fees that even they win they cannot recover. So color me unimpressed by lawyers being involved.
I just posted and article from the KC Star that basically said the same thing I did, so apparently it is not losing “face and credibility” with individuals that follow the NCAA for a living and understated the role it plays. The NCAA is losing face with individual that do not have clue of how the process works, have no information on why Diallo has not been cleared and choose to blame the NCAA since it is a convenient and easy target
As business person, I have to deal with lots of rules regulations, many of which are ridiculous and I don’t like, but as long as there are in effect, I have no choice but to follow them and comply with the law. You want biased and unfair treatment? Try dealing with the IRS. I have written my congressman in the past to bring to their attention some of the silly laws in effect and in the last 20 years, some have been changed and the ones that have not been changed? …I still have to follow them. Last time I checked, we are still a country or laws…or at least we pretend to be one…
BeddieKU23 last edited by BeddieKU23
There is one thing that the article made clear that needs to change, and that’s the impression that the kids who do have their eligibility questioned are being treated as guilty until proven innocent.
Regardless of the details in each situation, kids don’t deserve to have their athletic future held hostage into the season. Unless some unforeseen circumstances occur there needs to be rules adjusted where determinations on players happen before the season starts.
Diallo is currently serving a “unoffical” suspension without knowing whether he did anything wrong or not? Anyone, Please explain to me how that is possible or even fair.
This is no different than telling an non-athlete he can’t go to class for his major that he/she may end up being their career. Your negatively affecting the whole reason they are here in the first place. If your a med student and you want to become a doctor, your required to take x amount of classes etc. Imagine being told, until further notice your unable to in fact practice becoming a med student until further notice. Your future earnings have just been negatively impacted. Your timeline for becoming a doctor etc have now been affected.
Now put that same example into Diallo’s case. Diallo is going to school only for a future in Basketball. He’s now missed a game, maybe more to come. His future earnings have been impacted, his future impact on his profession has been impacted. His future start in his profession has been impacted. No matter how small, the fact that Diallo isn’t getting the same opportunity as the rest of his peers is troubling to me.
And for what? What exactly are the rules trying to prove by not allowing him to play, or for what is really at stake Diallo’s future in the profession of playing basketball.
He’s in College, if he’s receiving passing grades in College then the notion that his academic rigorousness prior to enrolling at KU being used against him is an useless argument to use. He was accepted by the school’s admissions office, point blank. It makes a school look dumb if you rule him ineligible after the fact. Isn’t it the school’s judgement to make whether they think a student can handle the coursework required or not? Not the NCAA,The coursework he is currently receiving is the only barometer of measurement that matters going forward for this kid. If he’s passing college courses that should be the measurement of his ability to handle the work .If he can then he’s eligible, if not then he’s not. It’s no different for that Medical Student who must maintain a position of eligibility by passing the required classes. Restricting or prohibiting those rights to the student/athlete is against everything that this entire system stands for.
Kip_McSmithers last edited by
One way to guarantee a spot at KU is by meeting our assured admission criteria:
21+ ACT (980+ SAT) and 3.25+ GPA or 24+ ACT (1090+ SAT) and 3.0+ GPA 2.0+ GPA (2.5+ for out-of-state students) in a college-prep curriculum If applicable, achieve a 2.0 GPA or higher on any college credit taken in high school.
Student-Athlete Eligibility Academics
Incoming student-athletes in Divisions I and II are subject to academic initial-eligibility standards, which take into account standardized test scores, number of core courses taken in high school and the grades earned in those core courses. In addition to NCAA requirements, they also must also meet the unique acceptance requirements of the university they plan to attend (those requirements may exceed NCAA standards).
Division I student-athletes are also subject to progress-toward-degree rules that require them to advance toward graduation each year.
You must graduate high school and meet ALL the following requirements:
Complete 16 core courses: Four years of English Three years of math (Algebra 1 or higher) Two years of natural/physical science (including one year of lab science if your high school offers it) One additional year of English, math or natural/physical science Two years of social science Four additional years of English, math, natural/physical science, social science, foreign language, comparative religion or philosophy Earn at least a 2.0 GPA in your core courses. Earn an SAT combined score or ACT sum score matching your core-course GPA on the Division I sliding scale, which balances your test score and core-course GPA. If you have a low test score, you need a higher core-course GPA to be eligible. If you have a low core-course GPA, you need a higher test score to be eligible.
I speculate that most of this investigation revolves around his freshmen year in Mali. Since he wasn’t in the USA during the academic year of 2011-2012, which would be his 9th grade year, he probably is lacking the required core classes the NCAA wants him to have. I also speculate that KU is arguing the classes he took during his 9th grade year are core classes in Mali. I’m guessing he didn’t take English 1, a staple of freshmen year courses in America, because he didn’t speak English before coming to America. But did he backload his later years at OSNA? I’d guess not because we are in this predicament now.
The latest NCAA handbook (2011) doesn’t list Mali in it so there isn’t a standard in place already. Or there wasn’t in 2011-2012 when Cheick attended 9th grade. Getting things translated by certified translators I’m sure takes time. How much time though?
My main frustrations are with the first two things I posted and a question I’d love for someone to ask Self or our academic team. Did KU lower its admission requirements below what is required for any other applicant to allow Cheick to attend?? And if yes, a follow up of would KU have lowered them had he not been apart of the basketball team?? If they answer no to the first question then you’d have to wonder what the NCAA is actually doing and this is my hope. Because I don’t want KU lowering standards for the sake of the basketball team. - although I’m sure they have and do without our knowledge all the time!
BeddieKU23 last edited by BeddieKU23
Don’t forget his legal guardian in this as well. I think as much as his academics were the initial trigger, his guardian’s role in this has to be the new element that has dragged this on where it is. The lawyer thing to me, assumes either that they are trying to force a decision now with pressure of a law-suit, or that the NCAA has made determinations about Drame that are affecting Diallo’s position to be eligible.
Otherwise why would Drame care enough to get representation, its obvious he’s invested in Diallo for years and wants what’s best for him (either following the rules or not). But if hiring a lawyer is to protect his bad intentions then Diallo is almost certain to be tied to it indirectly. The NCAA will need evidence of any wrongdoing and to my knowledge they have not even interviewed him about anything.
The NCAA did check up on Diallo’s ACT score. I would assume it means he had a lower core-course GPA but a higher test score. They flagged his score as an anomaly.
Lulufulu last edited by Lulufulu
@BeddieKU23 Yes! Thank you! And how is demanding his 6th grade transcripts following any sort of NCAA standard rule? Its beyond the pale, its beyond absurd!
HawkInMizery last edited by
The NCAA is a complete joke. It’s time for schools to pull their membership and seek a new format. These student athletes have no due process. They should be innocent until proven guilty and be allowed to play and no penalties should come if they are later deemed ineligible but teams and the student shouldn’t have to suffer while the NCAA pisses on our legs and tells us it’s raining. Diallo is already taking and getting good grades in college level classes and speaks four different languages (which is 3 more than myself) so it’s fairly obvious that he’s a bright kid . At the very least there needs to be time lines on when the case has to be handled by and if they can’t make their case by then it needs to be dropped.
drgnslayr last edited by
“Interjecting an attorney in the process does not change anything. Unfortunately our society has changed so much that now surveys show that most people consider lawsuits and the lottery as the top two ways to become a millionaire…whatever happen to hard work?”
So sad… but so true!
drgnslayr last edited by drgnslayr
The biggest issue is that with the current situation, players are guilty until proven innocent. They are penalized throughout the process… the process that should say they are innocent until proven guilty.
This does need to advance to federal court. I believe, eventually, that a high court will decide that the NCAA can not dictate policies that are deemed unjust within our civil justice system just because they are a private membership organization. The impact college education has is a public impact and should follow along the spirit of our federal civil court system on what is fair and what is not.
I don’t have the answer for you there, we haven’t exactly seen the rule-book they are supposed to follow have we? It doesn’t sound as if in this situation they are following a checklist. Those involved seem to think this isn’t normal procedure or normal in how and when its been asked for. Just for information They did ask the PG from Pitt who attended the same school for homework before freeing his eligibility up. We also found out a player in a different year was denied eligibility for failing to provide such homework requests from the same school.
It’s clear Diallo had/has red flags according to the clearinghouse. We don’t know whether 1 thing has led to another which now has become 6th grade material being analyzed. We don’t know whether its important or not. Not being privy to all the info is the reason we are all frustrated to begin with.
NCAA Prez says it’s not NCAA’s role to tell colleges what “a course has to be”: Yet, NCAA tells high schools?
sure makes sense don’t it…
Lulufulu last edited by
@BeddieKU23 Geez, can this get any more ridiculous? I mean it seems like this is getting to the point of a personal vendetta against KU and/or Cheick Diallo and his legal guardian. I keep saying they are not following their own rules in this case.
JayHawkFanToo last edited by JayHawkFanToo
Presumed innocent until proven guilty? Are you kidding me?
The only place where an individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty applies is in a court of law where the individual has been formally charged with crime and it is the job of the prosecution to prove guilt and until it does so he is presumed innocent. An application for clearance by the NCAA is not a legal proceeding or a court of law.
Try applying for loan…
A credit card,…
A drivers license…
An occupational license…
Tags for your car…
…and yes, clearance to play NCAA sports.
All the processes above require submitting documentation in a timely manner, and once you do and it is verified to meet the requirements you get you license, or you tags, or you loan or you title…and until you do so, you are not presumed to be innocent or guilty since it does not apply; you simply are told that you have not met the requirements and until you do so you will either not get what you applied for or the loan, or credit card, or what have you or it will be denied. Again, there is no innocence or guilt attached because it does not apply.
Diallo has not been found “guilty” of anything because there is nothing to be found guilty of, he simply has not submitted the information required or met the requirement to get clearance and until he does, he will not get clearance or at some point it will be denied. It is really that simple.
Posters are writing that the NCAA is not following its own rules…what rules is it exactly not following?..and how do you know this since we really don’t know what is going on behind closed doors or why the process has been delayed? Let’s stop presenting conjectures and guesses as facts…we have plenty of the first and very little of the last…
As a Jayhawk fan I want Diallo cleared as much as anyone here; however, I will not let that enthusiasm cloud my judgement and jump to unproven conclusions. Do I care about the NCAA? Not much, but I also understand that it is just doing its job. Just my opinion and I fully understand that others have opinions that are different than mine and I respect that and it does not make either of us right or wrong…just different.
Kip_McSmithers last edited by
This writer used the guilty until proven innocent. Send him an email!!!
Th writer is quoting Diallo’s handler’s lawyer…what do you expect him to say?. See my post above, the analogy does not apply.
sounds like another awesome made up rule.