Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT
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Was really hoping our tempo would increase this season with the athletes we have but that's not happening
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Self presser said he practiced Tuesday (off day Monday for team) and no issues. Fingers crossed.
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@Jayhawk_69 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Reportedly, Bill Self has said that Melvin Council has been "hands down" the MVP of the team so far. Thoughts?
Personally, I like Melvin a lot but I would give the nod to Tre.
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That's a pretty positive review by Self.
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I heard someone say on the could be wrong podcast that people who don't love council are just not BALL knowers. Couldn't agree more. And I know DP is great. Like really really good. But I still just would rather watch Council bring the ball up than DP. The energy he brings to every step he takes on the court is infectious. (I'm not saying Council should play instead of DP just to be clear) Hopefully they will complement each other with one being so calm cool and collected and the other being always ready to be a burst of pure energy. DP is great. Maybe the best freshman we've ever had, but it's watching guys like Council that make it easy for me to be a Jayhawk fan.
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@benshawks08 I see DP has more of a 2 guard at this point that can bring the ball up periodically. Council reminds me a lot of Tyshawn and he was fun to watch as well.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Self presser said he practiced Tuesday (off day Monday for team) and no issues. Fingers crossed.
Yep this is what I was referencing I should have full sent it
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@kjayhawks2.0 I agree. It is interesting that Self has DP bring the ball up instead of Melvin. I would prefer to see it the other way around so Melvin can take advantage if the defense is lazy in getting set and so that DP can focus on moving without the ball and getting into scoring position instead of running the point.
But, Self knows much more than I do.
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@ROCKCHALK2025 said in Kansas Jayhawks @ NC State Wolfpack Game Chat Sat. 12/13 4:30 CT:
Conclusion? -- - should be easy enough to remedy -- three keys : Take care of the ball , we have done pretty good with that only 10.9 per
I'm 99% certain that has to do with having Vaughn on the bench.
This team doesn't play like any other team we've ever had, and part of that is how they are learning how to take care of the ball. Self always focused on aggressive defense and never really specifically focused on taking care of the rock. The reduction in TOs is because of Vaughn. He's teaching them how to pass... like... how to pass out of a double-team.
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@tundrahok Wow, I guess Coach knows Council better than I do! He shoots too much has been my impression. I do like his energy. Calling him MVP is a surprise to me!
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Council leads the conference in minutes played per game. The guy before DP came back was probably Elmarko who can get it done mostly but Melvin can play defense and wants to. Council has shot sub 40 every year and it looks like the floaters he uses when penetrating are still a bit awkward. I guess DP will run things more or less now and having Melvin as a wing is good because he can assist and was getting better and better at that all year. Now that we can average 80 I think he will be good in whatever role he is in. This roster goes eight deep plus I keep dreaming of Dawson getting comfortable and going off from three. DP, Flory and Tre, Melvin and Tiller are reliable on both ends and are scoring 69 points between them. Now that Elmarko, who can go off and Jamari who defends and hits 3 balls this teams is going to get tougher and tougher to beat. Of course worry wart me is nervous about NCSU and their tall deep shooters.
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Here's why I'm not so keen on Melvin: Of the 9 guys averaging at least 10 minutes played, he has the lowest shooting percentage. On 3's he's horrendous at 19%. But he's taken the most shots so far. Obviously DP's return is going to change the shot volume. I don't pay attention to defense as much as I should and it's certainly a virtue to behold when it's done well. He's a good rebounding guard, blocks some shots, nearly 1 per game, leads the team in thefts, although DP is averaging more. I do love his energy and his confidence. I really love when a kid toils in the low majors and suddenly is starting for a blue blood on what is looking to be a very good team. I'll do my darndest to appreciate him more than I do.
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I saw somewhere we are top 10 in total dunks this season. Flory, Tre, Council, Tiller, Kohl all were on the list. I am still absorbing how great DP is in scoring ability. If he starts playing without being on a minute restriction with this team he would get 30.
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Council certainly needs to shoot better from everywhere and hopefully having Peterson back helps him. He kind of just plays with this reckless abandon that can be both good and bad at times. He's a dog out there and so happy we got him. I will like him even more if he can get those shooting %'s a bit higher.
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@wissox83 i like that attitude. Rock Chalk!
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@BeddieKU23 I hear you my friend, but also glad we have him. It just seems crazy you think about it. Last year people bitched cause Juan was hesitant about shooting the three - no threat , or he would drive jump in the air then no where to go with the ball.
Now with Melvin we complain because of his shooting/wildness, and yet like I love the guy, when Melvin gets down hill -- -look out he is so fast, I really stuck with Juan thru and thru but I think Melvin is much better defender, & quicker on the breakout.
Ya I would love his shooting % be better, and I do think they will some anyways. Like you also said he is true Dawg I think I'll keep him he is going to work just fine
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What I see with Council and his shooting is he is not afraid to shoot an open shot when it is presented. Eventually a decent percentage of those will go down. But he has also been the guy for most of this season who is willing to take the difficult ugly shot rather than just get a turnover. And I think it's clear he doesn't really care about his percentages or stat lines, the only number he cares about is the final score.
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@benshawks08 Well said
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@ROCKCHALK2025 I would like to see Melvin learn a little bit form Juan about good shot selection but overall I really like how Melvin can get downhill and force defenses to collapse. Hopefully, with DP back Melvin will take fewer bad shots.
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I Will probably be out of pocket for most or all of this one due to kid sporting conflicts. Such is life! I would have it no other way. But you’ll receive my feedback on tape delay!
