Power Forwards/Stretch 4s of the Bill Self era peak offseason pt 4
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@MR11 If it was just on-court play I would likely put Marcus at number 2. However, I am also counting factors such as leadership and locker room influence. In 2011 Marcus was our unquestioned leader, and he failed miserably in his responsibility of rallying the troops when VCU hit a few lucky threes against us. Our team was clearly shell-shocked, and that is completely on Marcus.
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There was a time the twins felt unstoppable. VCU was a shocking loss. But i think it safe to blame that loss on Morningstar, Reed and Selby who were a combined 3-21.
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I think we lost the VCU game the moment we ran through their huddle and lit their fire instead of ours
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@Jhawk69 Would you qualify any of these guys as PFs? They were pretty goood
What about Wayne Simien? Darnell Jackson? Julian Wright?
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@rockchalkjayhawk Yeah but I will rank them with the 5s tomorrow
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Perry is too high. He was a below average defender, playmaker, and rebounder. You talk about Marcus Morris in March, but Perry was worse in March. The loss to Stanford, 9 points on 3/10 shooting and 4 points on 1/5 shooting in the 2016 Villanova loss. Those are unacceptable performances from someone who was supposed to be a top player. I would flip him and Marcus.
There’s a reason why he’s one of the guys on this list who never really sniffed the NBA.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You have a valid case and your opinion is probably worth twice as much as mine. I will defend my case anyways. With Marcus my rationale was more based on his off-court character and his leadership and how it effected the team than it was his performance on the court. Regarding Perry, I agree he wasn’t good against Stanford, but against Nova he was double teamed constantly as Nova’s strategy was to count on us not making open 3s (which worked), so I don’t really blame him for that one.
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@Jhawk69 If Perry was a better player, those double teams wouldn’t have mattered. In an Elite 8 game, your star senior can’t disappear the way Perry did. He just wasn’t athletic enough to overcome those double teams.
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I forgot Julian Wright. Let’s put him at number 8.
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I like having Perry ranked high. He was athletically limited but his skills and smarts made him a joy to watch.
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Perry was skilled, but my main memories were lack of physicality and vertical leap that kept him from rebounding, rim protecting and dunking as much as I would like from a 4. Same with the Morii, as I recall. Also, it’s been a while, but shouldn’t D Arthur be higher. I recall him as very solid.
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@HoraceZontal No championship in ‘08 without Darrell’s quiet 20 point night.
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@dylans yup. That too.
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@dylans 20-10!
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The more I think about it the more I would like to move Darrell Arthur up
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Jackson was one of my least favorite Jayhawks ever. Put him in last. KJ hung around for his career, I know he wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea but it’s an insult to him to rank him below Jackson.
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There must be an AI tool out there somewhere that could compare players… crunch all their numbers and then weight factors of importance. I know… I know… I’m an AI sellout. I’ve just had a very successful business month where I dumped a huge load on the backs of my slave laborers… 3 AI platforms that saved me from doom!
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@drgnslayr said in Power Forwards/Stretch 4s of the Bill Self era peak offseason pt 4:
There must be an AI tool out there somewhere that could compare players… crunch all their numbers and then weight factors of importance. I know… I know… I’m an AI sellout. I’ve just had a very successful business month where I dumped a huge load on the backs of my slave laborers… 3 AI platforms that saved me from doom!
Ugg half the sports articles out there appear written by AI - it sucks. They all sound like a 7th grader plagiarized something they don’t fully understand. On a more disturbing front - I read an article the other day where someone used a language model to try demonstrate why rich folks should pay more in taxes - it had no reasoning behind it other than raw numbers that don’t project forward properly. It’s like when someone cheats to get the answers, but doesn’t understand what they are saying so it’s all wrong, but it’s presented as 100% factual. AI is making people even dumber which I find incredible, I thought we had already hit the bottom - Wrong!!!
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@dylans That was exactly my opinion from the beginning… when AI was in it’s infancy. But now it has grown into a toddler and becoming more useful. Beware… the terrible teens are coming! lol
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If you were to ask AI whether Thomas Robinson or Christian Moody was a better player for us, it would, without a doubt, be able to tell you that Thomas Robinson is better and could explain why. However, if you asked it something that requires more nuance, like asking whether Darrell Arthur or Perry Ellis was better, it would most likely refuse to answer and would make the case for both.
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@drgnslayr said in Power Forwards/Stretch 4s of the Bill Self era peak offseason pt 4:
@dylans That was exactly my opinion from the beginning… when AI was in it’s infancy. But now it has grown into a toddler and becoming more useful. Beware… the terrible teens are coming! lol
It’s a tool that gets misused. - too many use it as a substitute for a brain.
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A brain substitute is how it is being marketed. Definitely not the right way to use it.
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AI has been around for a while (as we think of it). Photoshop is an example. A couple clicks and you’ve completely manipulated a pile of pixels. And now, even Photoshop, can go further with tools like prompts. I’ve spent the last 3 days trying to train a video AI tool on what I want. In the end, it trained me on how to ask it. lol It’s been a humbling experience. I first thought I was the boss…
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Strange as it sounds, AI is turning into an environmental crisis. I don’t know much about this but apparently a lot of water is required for cooling the machines doing this AI stuff? Is it also a reason for increasing electricity rates as demand is increasing? I think I’ve read that. If I’m wrong, correct me. If I’m right, correct me either way!
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The data centers that store the information banks AI accesses are huge and use up a lot of energy.
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@wissox https://www.newschannel10.com/2025/07/02/worlds-largest-ai-campus-coming-texas-panhandle/
Right next to where the nukes are built. What could go wrong? lol skynet goes live in 3…2…1
