An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health
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@approxinfinity said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
@kuballin10 i doubt Self drinks like a fish.
These health issues might suggest otherwise. Not all alcoholics function the same way. As puffy and bloated as Self has looked in recent years, I don’t doubt that Self let himself go in regards to his health and drank like a fish.
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@P-H-C thanks. I may be wrong. But if I am, I think he is well equipped to kick the habit.
It’s possible @Texas-Hawk-10, but couldnt the puffiness be due to lack of exercise, poor sleep and a poor diet? Doesn’t seem like definitive proof that he drinks regularly.
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@approxinfinity said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
@P-H-C thanks. I may be wrong. But if I am, I think he is well equipped to kick the habit.
It’s possible @Texas-Hawk-10, but couldnt the puffiness be due to lack of exercise, poor sleep and a poor diet? Doesn’t seem like definitive proof that he drinks regularly.
Alcoholism is the most common cause of puffiness like Self’s which is usuallyvery noticeable in the cheeks. It becomes very noticeable once an alcoholic sobers up and the puffiness goes away.
Lack bad eating and lack of exercise is usually most noticeable around the gut and as Self has definitely put on a bunch of weight over the last several years. Lack of sleep is usually most noticeable under the eyes when people have dark circles and “bags” under their eyes.
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I rarely imbibe myself, but if Bill does regularly drink who cares? It sure doesn’t seem to be affecting his job performance, personal life, or health. His overall lifestyle is stressful and no doubt has an effect on his health. It could be a stiff drink now and again prolongs his life by reducing stress
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@approxinfinity I don’t think he’s an alcoholic I should have prefaced that.
Guys who drink literally every night but don’t always get drunk are controlling it. I think Self controls it because he has no dui’s im aware of and isn’t this angry person like huggy
I do think that drinking daily 2-3 or 3-4 drinks will hurt the heart and your liver.
1 glass of red wine doesn’t normally stop there
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I know a guy who his doc said your liver is shot you’re gonna die and he was 35. Cut alcohol and changed his lifestyle lost 100 pounds.
Pictures show that bloated face you mentioned and yes, poor diet is gut for sure.
Self drinks that isn’t an argument in my mind the question is how much. Either way none of my business and the point is he’s getting his health in check which is something everyone of us should do.
Highest paid Kansas employee should have a personal grocery shopper, chef and dietician. He can afford it lol
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@dylans Drinking isn’t good for the body especially that often and pair that with his poor diet which he’s admitted and you get health issues.
He is disciplined literally in everything he’s done except his health which he said back in March.
He’s gonna get healthy and pair that with the programs prime - buckle up it’s gonna be a heck of a ride I think.
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@dylans Self has had two heart surgeries in the past 12 months and missed the Big 12 and NCAA Tournament this year and you don’t think his lifestyle has affected job performance or his health? How many people here seriously believe that KU still loses that Arkansas Game if Self had been on the bench instead of Norm?
@kuballin10 Just because Self hasn’t had a DUI and isn’t a naturally angry person doesn’t mean he isn’t an alcoholic. There’s plenty of alcoholics out there who have never had a DUI and aren’t angry people.
Biggest thing Self can do for his health is find something to replace alcohol as his coping mechanism for whatever it was that’s caused him to drink as much as he has in recent years. Getting on a treadmill or exercise bike would be ideal replacement behaviors that should be easily accessible whether at home during the off-season, in the weight rooms in tge athletic facilities, or in the team hotel on the road.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t feel comfortable throwing out the alcoholic judgement when I don’t know the extent of it.
He likes to drink - same with millions of people but doesn’t mean all of them are alcoholics
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As the title says, an ugly topic.
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So now we’ve decided Bill is a drunk. We just make it up as we go along, don’t we?
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@Jethro said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
So now we’ve decided Bill is a drunk. We just make it up as we go along, don’t we?
A drunk and an alcoholic are not the same thing. Based on what Self has admitted to in regards to his eating and drinking habits, his health issues, and the change in his physical appearance in recent years, I feel like there’s a lot of evidence that supports Self being a functional alcoholic.
It sounds like from his interview that dealing with his dad’s death and winning the title last year pushed him to a place he hadn’t been before in regards to his drinking habits.
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Swelling of the face and weight gain are also symptoms of congestive heart failure.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 you’ve listened to a lot more of interviews of his than me i think. I dont recall mentions of troubling instances of drinking but i wasnt looking for it as a tell.
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I’d avoid making assumptions about people’s lifestyles based on the way they “look.” Possibly more going on than you know, and most likely they’ve already explored all the amateur diagnoses with actual healthcare pros.
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@DanR Yeah, but I knew a guy who talked to someone who saw someone who looked like that and someone nearby commented that they read something on an internet forum about some medical condition!
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@mayjay You seem abnormally sweaty. My internet search supports my combination of a random second-hand family diagnosis (Uncle Rick was sweaty and he got hit by a train and died young), and he had a red face sometimes and I saw him drinking a beer. Clearly you’re an alcoholic diabetes heart attack applicant or you’re a normal man living in the southeast US.
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@approxinfinity said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
@Texas-Hawk-10 you’ve listened to a lot more of interviews of his than me i think. I dont recall mentions of troubling instances of drinking but i wasnt looking for it as a tell.
It’s not that Self has outright said as much, but more so piecing together stuff based on what he said in this recent interview about his health and what’s happened to him in the past 18 months. The closest Self has come to mentioning anything was after the 2014 loss to Kentucky (72-40) that he wished his water bottle was vodka. That’s a tell-tale sign going back almost a decade now about Self’s drinking habits.
The NCAA investigation, his dad’s death, and the title run are all very high stress situations individually, but all 3 happening at the same time in the public eye is more stress than most of us have ever been through. This is also an industry where alcoholism is very common and that combined with a poor diet and lack of regular exercise going back well before early 2022 and it’s not that surprising that Self is having health issues.
Hopefully he’s listening to his doctors and sticks to a healthier diet and getting more exercise ands cuts out the alcohol.
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This thread makes Jaybate look like Walter Cronkite.
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@Jethro said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
So now we’ve decided Bill is a drunk. We just make it up as we go along, don’t we?
Come on now buddy keep up lmao - -surely you’ve heard of the he said - - she said - -they said. - you know right ? - kindda like the game we played as kids- -whisper something in someone’s ear and they do the same on down the line, and by the time it reaches the end - -were at Defcon 5 lmao- -come on buddy get with the program lol - you know I’m just teasin ya buddy
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@kuballin10 said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t feel comfortable throwing out the alcoholic judgement when I don’t know the extent of it.
He likes to drink - same with millions of people but doesn’t mean all of them are alcoholics
well ya well i mean look at Gregg Marshalls wife - -ol Marsha-- we know ol Marsha likes to drink – Oh wait - -she IS an alcoholic
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It seems like this post went from Bill Self having heart issues to him being a staggering drunk. Unless he publicly says “Hey - I’m a staggering drunk”, everyone should probably quit talking about it. So he gains a few extra pounds. At 60 years old. I know a lot of heavy 60 year olds. And 20/30/40/50…you get the idea. He can afford good food now. He doesn’t have to eat beanie-weenies and kraft mac & cheese any more. He probably doesn’t like diet soda.
It would be like seeing your buddy’s wife wearing a short skirt and saying " I knew it. She’s a prostitute. For real. One of the main symptoms of being a prostitute is wearing a short skirt."
Grow up people. As far as I know, this is still a country where people are innocent until proven guilty. I’ll drink to that.
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Ha, yea this post took a different direction than I thought.
When I started it I thought it could take a few directions or so: how this could affect Bill’s thinking in regard to earlier retirement, and how it could affect his recruiting strategy. Go go go! And maybe people would be steamed that he kept his first surgery secret.
Also, was wondering if others thought his health would be a red flag for potential recruits. I thought it would be.
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@rockchalkjayhawk Health issues never seemed to hurt K in his recruiting. Now that Self is pretty much the undisputed best active coach, I imagine it will be the same for a while.
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/s/Just until the fat drunk keels over on the sideline. Smh
-edit- to be clear this is sarcasm; I think anyone who believes Self has a drinking problem due to a red face is a moron.
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Maybe we should talk about something else. Whether we’re labeling Self, or labeling the comments about him or the people who made them or whatever, I think maybe this topic has gotten a little stale? It was a good discussion, but we may have exhausted it, for now anyway.
Let’s hope for the best?
I think the topic about Ernest being not that good as a replacement Braun is an interesting one we can all fight about
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Let me just throw this out before we put this nonsense to rest. - -There is quite possibly other reasons for Bills face being so red for GOD’S sakes.
I know for a fact because I have this myself, sometimes worse then others and that’s called Rosacea. It is a skin condition that can include your blood vessels .Rosacea can be cause from yes some drinking, but ALSO from STRRESS ( umm Hello ) – the Sun can cause it to flare up - - Tension can cause it to flare up - - many reasons for it to flare up - -but just because his face gets red doesn’t for sure mean he is an alcoholic , by any means - time to say Good Night on this, surely we can find better things to talk about
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@jayballer67 said in An ugly topic: Bill Self’s health:
Let me just throw this out before we put this nonsense to rest. - -There is quite possibly other reasons for Bills face being so red for GOD’S sakes.
I know for a fact because I have this myself, sometimes worse then others and that’s called Rosacea. It is a skin condition that can include your blood vessels .Rosacea can be cause from yes some drinking, but ALSO from STRRESS ( umm Hello ) – the Sun can cause it to flare up - - Tension can cause it to flare up - - many reasons for it to flare up - -but just because his face gets red doesn’t for sure mean he is an alcoholic , by any means - time to say Good Night on this, surely we can find better things to talk about
Shhhh… we’re only accepting wild b.s. smears on this thread. Reality is not permitted!
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Alright. Lockerino! Lol
