KU vs Tech Game Thread
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Well beginning to think K State might be good
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@kuballin10 said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@DanR said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
What was the missed foul on KU? Wilson getting pushed?
Fran sucks he’s a turd. Big dude just flat out fell JW backed up. Ever since fran went off while calling our game about Scott Drew’s AFH homer tape…Fran hasn’t stopped talking about calls.
We got jobbed until the very end and he wasn’t saying a word. Fran sucks as a non bias announcer he is just awful.
Herbstreit is not biased, same for Desmond Howard. Fran is a child behind the mic
Fran has always sucked - - I get so tired of listening to him whine --just really sad
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Kj was fouled on his dunk, look at the espn pic
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KJ was fouled. Batcho was probably fouled but he’s a 57% FT shooter and at worst we have the ball down 1.
Tech had 6 fouls the entire game and we shot 4 FTs. I don’t feel bad about this win.
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@jayballer67 said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
Well beginning to think K State might be good
KSU beats UT in Austin 116-103. Shot 61 percent from the field. Yow !
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@RockChalkinTexas tmrw my oldest son in Lawrence is having surgery, blew out his patellar tendon. Dr. Randall is doing it.
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I really like how Self is using KJ, even tho it has been out of necessity this year. We are so mobile and fast at all positions that unless the other team has a very mobile 5 man, it’s really difficult to cover KJ. Especially now that he has shown really good passing and shot making from the mid range area, the other team has to cover all 5 spots all over the floor. My dream would be if KJ develops even more of an outside shot over the course of conference play. Not sure if that’ll happen but it’d almost make the offense unguardable.
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@HawkChamp I firmly believe that KJ will make 20-50 threes next season. I don’t think he will even take more than 2 from now until the end of this season.
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A roadie! I’ll take it!
Some highs and lows tonight for sure, but mostly highs.
Great to see Bobby make the most of his minutes.
And KJ, wow!
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To many unforced TO’s. Bad passes.
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I’m still on Christmas break so I drove up to Madison to watch the Badgers. Watched game when I got home at 1AM. Looked at Instagram not expecting to see KU score. I did see the 1st half and first 5 minutes of 2nd. Once I found out final score, I didn’t want to take time to watch the rest especially with us melting down a bit. Glad to see a win at TTech. A tough place to play for a decade or more now. Terrific win for the nations best.
Just watched the ending. Another controversial ending with Jalen fouling the guy on tech before the spectacular Adams dunk. But not our fault the refs miss a call.
Speaking of Adams, what a game! He’s really improving, gaining confidence, passing well, and cementing his place in the lineup. He’ll be in beast mode by the time he’s a senior.
But goodness, what a game by Dajuan!! Didn’t see every moment but knocking down big shot after big shot in the 1st half.
1 loss going into 2nd week of January is probably a little better than I expected by this point.
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Just finished watching the game. That was entertaining with all that offense on both sides!
I’ll go ahead and say it. KJ Adams progression this season is almost Embiid-esque. Completely blew away any expectations I had of him.
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@wissox said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
I’m still on Christmas break so I drove up to Madison to watch the Badgers. Watched game when I got home at 1AM. Looked at Instagram not expecting to see KU score. I did see the 1st half and first 5 minutes of 2nd. Once I found out final score, I didn’t want to take time to watch the rest especially with us melting down a bit. Glad to see a win at TTech. A tough place to play for a decade or more now. Terrific win for the nations best.
Just watched the ending. Another controversial ending with Jalen fouling the guy on tech before the spectacular Adams dunk. But not our fault the refs miss a call.
Speaking of Adams, what a game! He’s really improving, gaining confidence, passing well, and cementing his place in the lineup. He’ll be in beast mode by the time he’s a senior.
But goodness, what a game by Dajuan!! Didn’t see every moment but knocking down big shot after big shot in the 1st half.
1 loss going into 2nd week of January is probably a little better than I expected by this point.
Speaking of Wisconsin, did you see what that punk Hunter Dickinson said about you guys? https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1610314942640439296
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@Crimsonorblue22 He’s in GREAT hands then. I
and thinking good things for your son. Let us know how it goes.
See you all Saturday for the ‘running of the bulls’ annual mauling.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I sent a text Dr. Randall’s wife and this is what she wrote back!!
“I am copying this text for Jeff to read… It will make his day! So great to hear from you! Rock chalk!”
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@Jethro Of course! He’s right, I’m a scumbag!
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@wissox said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@Jethro Of course! He’s right, I’m a scumbag!
Glad Michigan is not in the B12. Their fans, their players, their coaches…can’t stand 'em!
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Iowa State fans
Texas Tech fans. . . Crying about the refs
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@BShark add Fran and Scott drew in there!
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This team is special. Reflecting on the game last night it’s amazing how well they play together.
KJ Adams is a dude. His improvement is astonishing. 7 straight games 10+ points. He’s on his way to great things.
Juan, what else is there to say about this stone-cold assassin. 5-5 from 3 and straight up daggers, like he knew what he was doing on some of them. His shot has looked great the last two games.
Bobby P, awesome game from him off the bench. Did anyone realize he’s shooting 70% from the field this year?? Made a 3 (looks ugly but went in) but its his ability to get to the rim that’s really impressive as the backup PG. He hunts those lanes and cashes in. 6 dimes as well last night. Bobby stepped up in a big way.
Real proud of this team right now
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Tech has a really good atmosphere. I’ll take their fans anyday over cryclones.
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Read through comments just now. Most disagreed with Fran saying Tech should have received a call in the seconds before the KJ dunk. The kid tripped on his own. I watched it over and over again, but Wilson totally had his arms wrapped around the Tech guy who fell backwards. Looked like a foul to me. I know Fran annoys us, but when he’s right, I hate to say it, but we should acknowledge it!
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@BShark said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
Iowa State fans
Texas Tech fans. . . Crying about the refs
We’ve got some real tear jerking going on this morning. No comment on Kev having his leg grabbed while trying to shoot, or KJ being cut under on his dunk, though. Wonder why that slipped their minds? Could it be the ESPN created “narrative” is taking hold?
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@Jethro I’ve never minded Michigan in the BIG. Dickinson made a stupid comment I acknowledge and I suppose Wisconsin will use it for motivation.
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@wissox It was consistent with how the game was called. Could have been many, many more fouls if it was tightly officiated.
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@BShark Thanks. Since I watched much of the game on fast forward maybe I shouldn’t comment on officiating but that last sequence…KJ got creamed too on his dunk
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@wissox Just go back a couple of possessions and watch KU get fouled 4-5 times. They swallowed the whistle most of the game. (Tech had 1 first half foul)
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Tech had averaged 15 fouls per game coming into the KU game. They had 6 TOTAL. Crazy
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Kevin got robbed of a charge, ref even started the motion of calling it! On Pop’s last drive which ended up with him and bobby on the floor he stuck his Rt forearm into bobby which caused them both to fall. I think Wilson’s man was trying to clear Wilson out for Pop. JMO.
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@BShark I remember you saying this summer you’d be stunned if KJ averaged anywhere near my projections of 8-12 pts 5-7 rbs a game early on in the season. He’s ahead of schedule and will raise his average points total to 11-12 a game by the end of conference play. He always passed the eye test in my book. Starting to feel comfortable scoring in that 10-15 foot range which will open things up even more for cutters he’s been finding so easily. His passing out of pick and rolls and at the free throw line are a thing of beauty. He’s always looking for Gradey on those back cuts when his defender is sleeping. Even with his size disadvantage, he’s still able to seal his man 8ft from the basket to receive those beautiful lobs from Harris
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@madmax said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@BShark I remember you saying this summer you’d be stunned if KJ averaged anywhere near my projections of 8-12 pts 5-7 rbs a game early on in the season. He’s ahead of schedule and will raise his average points total to 11-12 a game by the end of conference play. He always passed the eye test in my book. Starting to feel comfortable scoring in that 10-15 foot range which will open things up even more for cutters he’s been finding so easily. His passing out of pick and rolls and at the free throw line are a thing of beauty. He’s always looking for Gradey on those back cuts when his defender is sleeping. Even with his size disadvantage, he’s still able to seal his man 8ft from the basket to receive those beautiful lobs from Harris
I think we’re all shocked about KJ’s production and numbers.
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@wissox said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@BShark Thanks. Since I watched much of the game on fast forward maybe I shouldn’t comment on officiating but that last sequence…KJ got creamed too on his dunk
They really let both sides play. Which I heavily prefer to what happened in Austin.
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Absolutely agree with letting them play but you have to have balance. It’s the complete lack of consistency that continues to plague the game that frustrates me more than anything.
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The big eye-candy in this game was Juan’s treys. Congrats, Juan! Hope you have more success from trey!
The hidden star of this game was Bobby. 7 points, 4 rebbies, and most important 6 assists in 25 minutes! His ± was 14+ for a reason! Seeing him as a “Juan Version 2” will make us absolutely deadly if he can keep this up! He always seems to make freak plays, like diving on the court. A+ Bobby!
Great maturity game for Gradey. Trey not falling? Then make other plays! His own rebound putback was classic. I think he read my previous post where he made his one trey on a step back while guarded… creating all kinds of scoring space and he did it without a hitch! 8 rebounds?! That kid’s potential is unreal!
KJ is winning over the critics and for good reason. Even his defense on bigger bigs is improving! His touch in mid-range is as soft as a baby’s bottom. Now he just has to adjust his decision-making a little when up so close and start slamming everything close to prevent blocks. Do it by bringing the ball up on the side so the only way it can be defended is fouling.
JWil… his volume shooting is working for us. As the season drags on his % may be dropping but we need some volume shots and he plays a vital part in keeping defenses honest.
Kevin had a tough game but still made plenty of key plays. He’s a guy that shows up to work with a sledgehammer. He is absolutely one of the keys to our success!
Still hoping we eventually get a bit more from our bench, but this wasn’t a game to go deep on the bench without knowing they will come through. It is going to be tough for our bench guys to get more PT during league play. They will have to earn minutes by proving more in practice.
Big shout-out to Joe… we need him back!
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@madmax said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@BShark I remember you saying this summer you’d be stunned if KJ averaged anywhere near my projections of 8-12 pts 5-7 rbs a game early on in the season. He’s ahead of schedule and will raise his average points total to 11-12 a game by the end of conference play. He always passed the eye test in my book. Starting to feel comfortable scoring in that 10-15 foot range which will open things up even more for cutters he’s been finding so easily. His passing out of pick and rolls and at the free throw line are a thing of beauty. He’s always looking for Gradey on those back cuts when his defender is sleeping. Even with his size disadvantage, he’s still able to seal his man 8ft from the basket to receive those beautiful lobs from Harris
I was very wrong about how things would play out. It was very apparent from day 1 he was our best big this year once we got to see guys play. What a revelation for Self to have 6 guys in the circle of trust and none of them are true post players.
Going over those old threads. I still can’t believe we kept Cam around. A real shame about Texas getting Hunter.
Funny that the video you posted had him working out with Julius Randle. He’s kind of like a homeless man’s version of Randle/Zion. Does a lot of things well. We both thought he would be playing at the 4 from the look of it and the true game changer for him is being a 5. Zach being a complete non-factor is probably the biggest surprise. He has to be a major transfer candidate.
ETA: KJ is as good a passer as we have ever had at the 5 spot.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
Absolutely agree with letting them play but you have to have balance. It’s the complete lack of consistency that continues to plague the game that frustrates me more than anything.
Oh for sure. Literally side by side last night you had a game where guys could get hammered and no call and then the other game had 46 fouls called. Zero consistency game to game.
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@BeddieKU23 In Madison last night the Badgers had 3 fouls called on them with 15 seconds left in the first half. Minny had possession so the Badgers start fouling since they have fouls to give.
2nd half starts and in the first 5 minutes they’d called UW for fouls 6 times! Inconsistency, yes indeed, pretty blatantly bad this year.
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@BShark i guess im still at a loss on why everyone thought Zach or Cam would amount to much this year. In their time here, I’ve just never thought they had the same potential as those in front of them - neither of them look like big time college basketball players to me.
KJ doesn’t have the same power or aggressiveness when driving to the basket at someone like Julius Randle, but I think he has the potential to get even better at it and be a respectable long range shooter. He already has a good touch from 10-15 feet, so no reason he couldn’t expand that a bit. I’m really excited about how he’s progressed and the matchup problem he creates for bigger teams. So many are worried about playing a “big team”
. I guess those people haven’t learned anything from UConn or Villanova.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
Kevin got robbed of a charge, ref even started the motion of calling it! On Pop’s last drive which ended up with him and bobby on the floor he stuck his Rt forearm into bobby which caused them both to fall. I think Wilson’s man was trying to clear Wilson out for Pop. JMO.
That’s exactly what happened. Wilson’s guy (Batcho) was trying to back him out of the paint to clear the lane for Pop and he fell on his ass
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Edit: I got users confused. I think most people figured that Self would start one true post player. A fair assertion given his history. There was a lot of hope that Zach could take the starting spot but he did not put in the work this offseason. I do think he will transfer out after this year.
I wanted Cam to leave and there was talk that he would. Ultimately Self didn’t force him out and he was okay being a deep reserve here.
I think we can get to the point where KJ is acceptable as a mid-range shooter (still not there yet imo) but developing a three would surprise me. No doubt he will put in the work and I figure at this point he will start the rest of his time at KU.
I would also say KJ definitely fits what Self tends to like in a player. Athletic etc… I think Zach will find a decent home somewhere. Won’t be a world beater by any means and I think he should go down to like, a G5 school or something.
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Well, the team is national championship good, and I think our analysis isn’t far behind. Some really great points made by all. Don’t think anyone had KJ doing what he’s done so far. We spent the first 5 or so games coming up with players to replace KJ. Zach was first. Then it was Udeh. Then it was Zuby. KJ just toiled on. Then he starts making buckets, and he hasn’t stopped since, and we’ve quit looking for replacements. Just an amazing transformation.
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One good thing about Ttech only getting 6 fouls called on them is we don’t waste as many possessions by missing FTS! As it was were only 2-4 and this teams ineptness at the line worries me a bit. We’re at 68% and should pressure situations arise later in the season we’re going to be holding our collective breaths.
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KJ is the best fit for Self’s current motion offense… which is all about either hitting treys or driving/feeding the center corridor. Notice how he keeps mentioning the center driving lane.
KJ is our quickest big and is now proven he can score in mid range and at the rim. He is perfect for pick-n-roll or pick-n-pop. Plus… Self goes nuts for his hustle!
What I really want to know… is Self designing all of these offensive nuances by himself or are his players contributing?
Think back just a few years… and we started talking about how his wings would drive across the lane and then curl into finishing directly at the rim. Notice how JWil does it… then compare it to Och and CB. Seems like this may have even started before those guys but I can’t remember.
It feels like we are running a hybrid of a hybrid of a hybrid! “Self tweaks!”
Self will end up being acknowledged as one of the greatest D1 coaches of all times! I know he always barks about defense and considers it his calling card… but if you look back at all the offense he’s designed in college basketball… no other coach has designed more effective offense! Perhaps Mark Few is up there with him!
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What a post!
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most-freaky dunk photo of all times -
Bet he could have grabbed the horizontal support beam with his legs! lol
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@drgnslayr said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
most-freaky dunk photo of all times -
Bet he could have grabbed the horizontal support beam with his legs! lol
Raider fans wanted a technical foul for this. Seems pretty clear it was necessary given he got fouled pretty good then the guy ended up underneath.
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@BShark haha I was sweating out those first few games while KJ was settling into his role. Rarely do I go out on a limb for someone so unproven. I usually leave that to people like you, who seem to have more reliable insider info. You’re definitely right about everyone thinking Zack or Ernest would get the nod at the 5. The 5 has been the biggest surprise this year no doubt.
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@madmax said in KU vs Tech Game Thread:
@BShark haha I was sweating out those first few games while KJ was settling into his role. Rarely do I go out on a limb for someone so unproven. I usually leave that to people like you, who seem to have more reliable insider info. You’re definitely right about everyone thinking Zack or Ernest would get the nod at the 5. The 5 has been the biggest surprise this year no doubt.
Udeh is definitely more of a project than I think most expected.
@FarmerJayhawk may know more than me on this but I’m pretty sure they wanted Zach to be the guy. It’s just he didn’t progress how they hoped at all and word was pretty negative on him once practices started.
KJ has been, to use a Bill term “just unbelievable” at the 5 for the team.
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@BShark 100% they wanted Zach to seize the 5 spot.
I’ve been saying for at least a year the C/O 23 is behind because of Covid. Especially the bigs. There are obviously exceptions (e.g. Gradey) but by and large there aren’t a lot of impact freshmen this year. Rice, Udeh, and even Zuby to some degree were less prepared for a The Bill Self Experience than other, similarly ranked freshmen in previous years.
