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They didn’t even move KJ to the 5 until just before the season started. His improvements this year are remarkable and perhaps we are seeing it in real time during games because its the first time he’s settled at one position. Impressive stuff
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Updated
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Jalen passed LeGerald Vick for #48th all time on the scoring list. Jalen needs 18 points Saturday to pass David McCormack!
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Updated. Very painful one.
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The only positive- Jalen is now tied for 44th all-time in scoring with 1,156 points with Rick Suttle. Jalen can pass Svi & Aaron Miles tonight with another big game.
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Updating post big win in Rupp!
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Jalen passed Svi & Aaron Miles and now sits in 41st All-Time, 1 point behind Wayne Selden. Jalen will pass Selden, Jacque Vaughn, Greg Dreiling & Scot Pollard on Tuesday & then starts his chase towards the Top 30.
Jalen has 10 regular season games left + 2 guaranteed post season games currently. At his current scoring rate, he can pass Wilt Chamberlain for 27th all-time. More Big-12 tourney & NCAA tourney games could push him could get him closer to the Top 20.
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We are also ranked #1 on Kenpom. #1 Strength of Schedule.
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Updated post lil brother beatdown
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Jalen is now 37th all-time in scoring after passing 4 guys. He needs 20 points against Iowa St to pass Steve Woodberry.
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Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
I have pondered the same thing, and I think it may have something to do with landing Mo Bamba, Allen, Hayes, etc. All big men. I haven’t seen them yet, but I’ll bet he’s back to running his 4 out like he did at VCU. I thought they looked big, slow and cumbersome at Texas.
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@Jethro Maybe the pressure to showcase those guys for the NBA caused him to not make the team as good as it could be too. That is a tough thing to balance. Bill Self gets knocked for NOT doing a good job of this, and that’s part of the reason he doesn’t get nearly as many top 5 guys anymore. It really takes special freshman to play for Bill Self early.
I feel like anyone who is willing to get into bed with OADs understands that you have to do that to an extent though. Selling your soul a bit to get talent in the door.
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Yeah its crazy. Does he have some offensive guru on staff with him at Marquette? They had a good offense last year and then lost their two best players & somehow, they are better this year.
Perhaps he’s just evolved and figured he needed to change to survive. Also, he has one of the best point guards in the country Tyler Kolek that has improved leaps and bounds as a facilitator and playmaker. Things are clicking for them.
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@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Weird Kenpom thing this year (to me) is Shaka Smart coaching the best offensive team in basketball. Incredibly efficient scoring. Was always a “defense first” coach, at least how people looked at him after VCU.
Still can’t figure out why he struggled so much at UT. Apparently not just a one-trick pony, and not a bad coach. I think he suffered a bit from turnover. Mo Bamba, Jarrett Allen, Jaxson Hayes, etc. Not excusing his inability to win despite landing elite talent, but certainly weird to see him succeed elsewhere.
Player retention is insanely underrated.
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I’m perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn’t. I mean he’s had success with 1-year dudes too but it’s just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I’ve yet to really hear of a player that didn’t benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK’s recruiting classes and now it’s like why bother, those teams aren’t winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I’m perfectly fine with how Self is attacking recruiting and roster management these days, avoiding the sure-fire 1-year HS guys and targeting those guys likely to stick around a few years. We know what works here and what doesn’t. I mean he’s had success with 1-year dudes too but it’s just not his bread and butter.
Self might be a hard coach to play for but I’ve yet to really hear of a player that didn’t benefit from his coaching. In fact, the opposite tends to happen.
We used to worry so much about Duke or UK’s recruiting classes and now it’s like why bother, those teams aren’t winning anything with freshman. The transfer portal completely leveled the playing field and made experienced players more valuable. Guys from lower levels are not at a disadvantage anymore it seems when leveling up. Things have changed so fast
I’d pause to say Self has completely avoided the OAD’s. When the Rice recruitment started, we didn’t know if he’d ever make it to Lawrence and Gradey Dick was also a projected 1st round pick for quite awhile before he committed, but he’s also a local kid who wanted to play here so that may be an exception.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 I really hadn’t paid attention to them. I just see the Kenpom stuff and can’t help but see that Marquette team stick out…
I’ll have to make a point to watch a Marquette game before March.
Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.
They blitzed Baylor. Barely lost at Purdue. Have losses to good teams and some really nice wins. Shaka’s best team ever. They’re on FS1 at 1pm tomorrow.
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@Jethro Are you being snarky or just forgot that Shaka don’t coach there anymore?
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@wissox said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Jethro Are you being snarky or just forgot that Shaka don’t coach there anymore?
I was talking about Marquette.
Here is the comment I was replying to:
“Yeah same I need to catch some of their games. #1 offense with that roster is something. At least in recent games it’s not if they are scoring 90 every night but shooting 50% as a team is really good. If KU was shooting close to 50% as a team they have 1-2 losses tops. I wonder if they can sustain it.”
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Updated post huge win against Tejas.
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Jalen moved up 1 spot to 36th all-time passing Steve Woodberry. Jerod Haase is now in Jalen’s sights after an off game against Texas, needs 16 points Saturday to move into 35th place. Eric Chenowith & Jo Jo White are next up.
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Did we really drop in the Kenpom rankings after a win vs. the #10 team?
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I didn’t even look or capture the results from Saturday, I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.
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They are 11th on KenPom as of this morning. I am 99% sure that is what they were before the game as well. So no movement.
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Pretty crazy to win against a top 10 team when your best player plays his worst game of the season. BPMs were wild last night. Never a good stat for one game but it does tell the story of the game. I don’t think Joe’s success is sustainable but I think most of use would be happy with around half of that consistently.
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@BShark The production isn’t necessarily stable but the energy should be.
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@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark The production isn’t necessarily stable but the energy should be.
Think it was a big factor for Joe and MJ knowing they would get real minutes by default.
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@BShark Totally agree. Both were clearly READY.
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Creighton has won 7 in a row to go from 9-8 to 16-8 and is now up to 12th on Kenpom.
Really unfortunate that we missed out on Scheierman. Would have been the perfect fit for this season imo. Rebounding, shooting, passing, etc. Guy does it all.
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Anyone know why West Virginia is so high on KenPom? I know its computers and formulas and what not, but like how does that happen? 15???
Also, @Kcmatt7 I see them at #9 right now and WE are 12th.
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Going back to the preseason they have been in the hype mix. Fell off and coming back in. Shrug.
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With our victory last night, our record against Quad 1 opponents goes to 12-5, which is the most wins against Quad 1 opponents in the nation. 2nd place ( Texas) has 10. Quad 1 & 2 record: 15-5. We are the only Div 1 team that has zero losses to unranked teams.
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@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
With our victory last night, our record against Quad 1 opponents goes to 12-5, which is the most wins against Quad 1 opponents in the nation. 2nd place ( Texas) has 10. Quad 1 & 2 record: 15-5. We are the only Div 1 team that has zero losses to unranked teams.
Here’s to hoping Okie St doesn’t get ranked on Monday!
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Why not? Another W against a ranked team doesn’t hurt.
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Updated for the big OU win!
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Jalen now sits in #35th place all-time on the scoring list. He can realistically pass Eric Chenowith & Jo-Jo White on Tuesday night.
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FYI Kenpom currently rates this as the 16th best team in the Self era.
If we look at prior teams around this one (3 above, 3 below), you have everything from a 1st round exit to a Final 4.
Also will mention, 3 of those 4 teams below this group did not win the league.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
FYI Kenpom currently rates this as the 16th best team in the Self era.
If we look at prior teams around this one (3 above, 3 below), you have everything from a 1st round exit to a Final 4.
Also will mention, 3 of those 4 teams below this group did not win the league.
I do think this team is pretty gritty. You definitely have to kill them and I would expect max effort in any tournament game.
Talent wise that does feel about right.
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No doubt this is a gritty bunch and with the schedule they have played, it’s negatively impacted their rating to some degree because every game has been so difficult for them to play well (which then reflects in the numbers).
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Updates are always fun after big wins!
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Jalen is tied for 34th all-time now with 1,281 points. He will pass Jo Jo White on Saturday for 33rd.
He is currently 35 points away from going into 32nd place, 62 pts away from passing Mario Chalmers for 31st & 91 points away from passing Marcus Morris for 30th all-time. Jalen will most likely finish somewhere in the 20-30 range. His current avg has him on pace for 28th all time without accounting for extra games in the Big-12 tourney & NCAA’s.
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Crazy B12 stat of the day: the B12 has 10 non Quad 1 losses TOTAL ( Yes, I verified it). B10 - 41. Big East - 46. SEC - 54. ACC - 100+.
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Up to 7th! Top 15 off and d. WOW!
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https://barttorvik.com/profile-compare.php?team=Kansas&year=2023
Torvik team comps are not flattering for tournament success. Self is a wizard but also college basketball is pretty down.
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@BShark Doesn’t look too flattering to anyone. I don’t see anyone projected to snag even 3 wins
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@dylans said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark Doesn’t look too flattering to anyone. I don’t see anyone projected to snag even 3 wins
I think this team gets to the 2nd weekend but it is some interesting perspective. One of these teams (2018 PSU) missed the tournament entirely. Bill navigating this to a 1 or 2 seed is insane. I will also add Udeh playing more could change the calculus.
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Right now, Kenpom’s 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom’s 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom’s 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
TBH their numbers are still a bit behind where I think this team is. The last 4 games have shown that.
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UPDATE- BAYLOR WIN
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Jalen is now in 33rd place passing Jo Jo White. Tonight he can pass Walter Wesley for 32nd place with 14 points.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom’s 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
TBH their numbers are still a bit behind where I think this team is. The last 4 games have shown that.
Yea what a weird squad this year. At times, they could beat anyone in the country by 20. At other times, it feels like they could lose in the 2nd round.
I really don’t know what this team’s kryptonite is other than playing a team with some athletic wings (think Timmy Allen). I’m a little worried about facing another dominant big man, but I also think that KJ’s ability and Udeh’s development makes me not nearly as worried about that.
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Yeah I have no idea what our kryptonite is either.
I want to say Athletic guards that can create 1 vs 1 & facing good rebounding teams.
I think we’ve seen we can negate an inside size advantage now with the presence of Udeh. We also have had success limiting guys like Jackon-Davis etc as well.
At the end of the day I think this team sinks and swims with Dejuan Harris’s offense and defense. He’s a total game changer when aggressive on both ends.
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I think health is the kryptonite. We now have 7-8 pieces in place. If they can all be at 100% in the tourney, sweet 16 is the floor. We don’t have any bad losses. We can and will beat teams that are not on our level.
My concern would be if the starters get worn down significantly or straight up injured we could get mediocre real fast. That’s how we lose in the first weekend. Severe fatigue or injury.
Harris and Kev have me most worried because they’ve been “knicked up” and “getting treatment” fairly regularly this last month.
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Honestly, winning out (would need a big win tonight) the regular season probably guarantees us a #1 seed.
Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Bill rested some guys in the Conference Tourney after that. Bill did that with Dave last year, only played 10 minutes in game 1, 13 minutes in game 2, and then played the championship fully.
Bobby, Joe and Rice get a lot of run in the conference tourney if that #1 seed is locked up makes a lot of sense to me. Rest Kev and Juan.
