Dayton Game Thread
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So, Dave blocks the shot and it still turns out bad. Maybe should have not tried to swat it into the stands and finessed it like Withey used to do.
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https://twitter.com/CJMooreHoops/status/1464331786234826752
Teachable moments hopefully.
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Have a good weekend.
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I blame the loss - and I’ll stand by it - on Dave. He just kills our offense.
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Gonna be a bad weekend now
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Oh man.
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Man oh man.
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@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:
If the margin is one possession the shittiest basketball team on the planet can win on a lucky day.
well they didn’t look like the shittiest team today - we made them lok like Boston - - Lakers who the fuck ever we were just fucking sad display of a ball tem
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
Wilson olayed 23 minutes and didn’t make a field goal.
He could have but he’s mentally checked out!
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
Bill lost this game. Remy played 25 minutes and didn’t even touch the ball the last possession.
No, Bill did not lose this game. The players lost the game because they gave an absolutely shitty effort in the second half. A coach cannot control a player’s effort and there was none for the first 15-16 minutes of the second half.
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Once he came in and got big minutes, it was alk over.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.
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Bill definitely lost the game. Harris in at the end is just so Bill. Pound it to Dave when he’s been nothing all game. It’s just the way it goes
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@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.
Self cannot control the effort of the players he was putting in the floor. The effort wasn’t there in the second half regardless of who was on the floor.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill played Dave, Wilson and Dajuan too many minutes.
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As frustrated as everyone is right now, remember that these guys are college kids and no one is perfect.
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@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.
You got it. Bad substitutions, not sitting Dave and Wilson. Wilson hasn’t played, but what is Dave’s excuse (again)? Harris needed to be yanked too, give Yesufu a little pt. Clemence? Adams?
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@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
Bill definitely lost the game. Harris in at the end is just so Bill. Pound it to Dave when he’s been nothing all game. It’s just the way it goes
The game was lost when the players gave no effort on either end the first 15 minutes of the second half.
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@approxinfinity right. We didn’t play Wilson at the 5 once. Dave saw 26 minutes and only had 5 rebounds and missed 3 bunnies. Remy only played 25 minutes.
Sure our guys shot horribly, but we did plenty to hurt ourselves.
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Well Bill didn’t seem broken up about the loss. So maybe neither should we be. Change gonna come
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@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:
I blame the loss - and I’ll stand by it - on Dave. He just kills our offense.
Dave sucked - -but it wasn’t by FAR just Dave - -this team just flat sucked - -s - -u - -c - -k - -e - -d big time nothing good out of this AT ALL - - there is plenty of blame to pass around not sure but I bet that whipped our ass on the boards the way it looked - - just sloppy sloppy sloppy - -got beat on GOD only knows how many loose balls - - jesus h christ this team looked really bad - this team lost to liscomb for GODS sake
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Black Friday is right. Ugh.
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Dave cannot start.
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@BeddieKU23 absolutely. I’m afraid this will continue through the season. Self will continue to pound the ball inside knowing Dave is no Embiid or Udoka. He has such a fast athletic perimeter oriented team but he refuses to adjust. Crunch time, let’s throw it to Dave instead of Ochai or Remy driving it. His stubbornness may cost us again this year. Frustrating!
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@FarSideHawk said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 absolutely. I’m afraid this will continue through the season. Self will continue to pound the ball inside knowing Dave is no Embiid or Udoka. He has such a fast athletic perimeter oriented team but he refuses to adjust. Crunch time, let’s throw it to Dave instead of Ochai or Remy driving it. His stubbornness may cost us again this year. Frustrating!
To the detriment of our team.
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For the past two games Dave has played as poorly as I have seen him. I am not sure who should be getting his minutes but at this point he needs more time on the bench.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:
As frustrated as everyone is right now, remember that these guys are college kids and no one is perfect.
I hear what you’re saying, but we didn’t have to be perfect. 9-21 from FT and 4-19 from 3-point line is not going to win you many games.
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Now I’m ready to go beat somethings ass
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@KirkIsMyHinrich I’m really not even mad at the players.
Bill biffed this one. He’s got a friggen Lamborghini parked in the garage with Remy and we fed our ogre of a C like he shoots 75% from the field on our last possession.
Play out of a timeout before that we set a double screen for a guy scared to shoot the ball.
We played at least 7 minutes today without at least 2 of Braun, Och and Remy on the court for some god forsaken reason.
Didn’t make any sense.
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It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
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@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:
@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.
You got it. Bad substitutions, not sitting Dave and Wilson. Wilson hasn’t played, but what is Dave’s excuse (again)?
Dave was the only one giving any fucking effort the second half. But sure, ignore the players who couldn’t make a damn free throw or gave no damn effort on defense. Yes, we know Dave is limited in ability, but your hatred of him is blinding you to the fact nobody but Dave was actually giving any effort. 5 steals doesn’t happen by accident.
How about all the missed bunnies by Ochai and Braun, Remy jacking up bad shots, missing FT’s. All shit that did not involve Dave that played a bigger role in KU losing.
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The difference between out upper classmen and their youth was crazy. BUT we sure the fuck didn’t show any game experience in this - -the guys ought to be really proud of their play today - -great job
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@Kcmatt7 I was not super happy with Bill’s rotations today. I would agree with that.
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@Kubie against non-P5 talent… he should be dominating these games. But he still has the legs of a baby deer and the coordination of a toddler.
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Dave was our best big today* but you still shouldn’t be forcing it to him when he has the yips.
*Which really says something about our lack of post options.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn’t come down to the final possession. That’s why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it for 15 minutes and not giving any effort.
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@BShark serious question, why do we need a post scorer? There is plenty of offense elsewhere. Just tell Dave to set screens and catch lobs.
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I’m sorry I’m just not impressed by Dave’s effort when more then half the time he ends up on the floor. Its truly remarkable to see someone flail to the ground from “effort”. It’s more then that
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn’t come down to the final possession. That’s why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.
Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BShark serious question, why do we need a post scorer? There is plenty of offense elsewhere. Just tell Dave to set screens and catch lobs.
Also agree with this but Bill is Bill.
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Borderline I think the best fit for this team is to play KJ 15 mpg and run. At least he has athleticism to match.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
Borderline I think the best fit for this team is to play KJ 15 mpg and run. At least he has athleticism to match.
Maybe they should. Dave isn’t getting it done, not scoring just looks lost right now something not right – hell KJ can rebound - -may not score but neither is day KJ by far more athletic
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@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
I’m sorry I’m just not impressed by Dave’s effort when more then half the time he ends up on the floor. Its truly remarkable to see someone flail to the ground from “effort”. It’s more then that
Effort and ability are two different things. We know Dave is limited in ability, but Dave was the only player ending up on the floor because he was the only one trying the second half.
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The effort in the 2nd half was bad for that stretch.
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@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn’t come down to the final possession. That’s why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.
Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.
Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn’t come down to the final possession. That’s why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.
Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.
Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half
Sorry, but KU had a double digit half time lead and blew it in 5 minutes. That was a lack of effort, not because Bill was trying a line up combination with a big lead in the first half.
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We’re a fragile (it’s Italian!) fan base.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:
It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn’t pass. That’s after the game he’s had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It’s bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket
If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn’t come down to the final possession. That’s why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.
Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.
Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half
Do think this is a valid point. Seems like he sometimes intentionally will break a teams momentum in the first half so as NOT to get a huge lead. That lineup definitely took the foot off the gas after an explosive start to the game with a lineup that included both Harris and Dave.
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Way too many people bitching about the lack of effort in the 2nd half and then not blaming the players when their lack of effort was the biggest reason they lost today.
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@wissox idk high expectations.
Look at the football team. We’re willing to endure.
Not all of us have a 2nd college team to follow.
