Gonzaga Game Thread
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We’ve seen plenty from Dave and today looked like what we saw last year.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
It’s the first game going against a team that will be in the top 5 all season. It’s impossible to judge our season’s success now. With that said I have no doubts that West Virginia and Baylor will beat us easily in both games.
Same shit people said after the 30 turnovers against Duke last year. KU will be fine. This is what happens when not the best team in the country plays the best team in the country.
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@Kcmatt7 yeah. I’m not buying the excuses. Dave is going to have a pretty low floor this year.
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Most improved player is Wilson
Bryce will be a star
Abaji, please shooting the trey
I think Wilson and Abaji have a higher ceiling than Braun, and they should be in the starting lineup at least by conference play
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Agbaji and Wilson both started today. I think it’s possible Bryce works into the starting line-up over Braun. He fits a bit better with Garrett I think.
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Correct, I concur that Bryce should take over Braun after a few games. One can tell as to why he was a 5 start player.
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@BShark said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Agbaji and Wilson both started today. I think it’s possible Bryce works into the starting line-up over Braun. He fits a bit better with Garrett I think.
Good take there.
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Dave M needs to slow down, he seemed too rushed today. He did show several good post moves which is very encouraging.
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Maybe Wilson becomes the defacto 5. We cannot start Dave
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@AsadZ said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Dave M needs to slow down, he seemed too rushed today. He did show several good post moves which is very encouraging.
We’ve been saying slow down for 3 yrs now…
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I thought one of Jalen/Tristan might transfer after this year. If today is any indication it will be Tristan. I’d like to keep him but it seems like he isn’t a great fit with Self.
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He can be a force, just needs to slow down his game. He should watch tape of Thomas R and Morrii
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Can we have Danny join the staff immediately? Call it some bogus title. LOL
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We should realize that he is now considered as the main Big, a new role. I am optimistic that he will be a force, double double kind of a player.
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Dave is basically Bragg. Slow footed big with limited athleticism and an okay jumper
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I don’t see Self going away from McCormack so I hope he can figure out some effort things that have plagued him for 3 yrs now. He clearly has some offensive skill but everything else just looked below average
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PG is the huge need going forward. We’ve addressed the bigs in recruiting (Zach is really good, trust me on this) but you give this core a salty grad transfer SR guard next year WATCH OUT.
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Two plays that stick out from a effort standpoint regarding Dave is him being unable to box out and rebound. 2 baskets he gave up off misses for simple effort, balls Timme grabbed and quickly put up for layups
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@BeddieKU23 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
I don’t see Self going away from McCormack so I hope he can figure out some effort things that have plagued him for 3 yrs now. He clearly has some offensive skill but everything else just looked below average
Yeah this is the thing. Don’t forget he tried to forcefully start Dave by playing him out of position last year. He loves Dave.
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@BShark at least he showed he was willing to play Wilson at the 5 today though. I was worried he’d throw Mitch out there no matter what.
Still hope Dave plays limited time
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@BShark why can Self not land a OAD PG?
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark at least he showed he was willing to play Wilson at the 5 today though. I was worried he’d throw Mitch out there no matter what.
Still hope Dave plays limited time
Ultimately Self does want to win. Dave only played 20 minutes today. If he doesn’t get better that might be around his mpg.
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I am optimistic that he will improve, this is the 1st game without any pre-season against #1 ranked team with an incredible front court. Last year he did not get much PT as KU played mostly 4 guard lineup. I envision him a double double caliber player.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark why can Self not land a OAD PG?
Legit OAD guards are pretty rare. I’m happy with landing 4-5* guys. Nothing is happening in this class though short of a reclass from Armstrong but I think for next year and how good the roster looks around that spot, I’d prefer a 5th year SR.
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@Kcmatt7 Selby comes to mind LoL.
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@Kcmatt7 he had one. Selby
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@AsadZ beat me to it.
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Grimes thought he was a OAD…and I guess at KU he was…
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For PG I’d rather have Mason and Graham type of players, no OAD please, although every once in a while it will be nice to have a Josh J, Wiggins etc.
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@approxinfinity said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 he had one. Selby
I’ve blocked these memories from my brain.
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@AsadZ they have two 100+ ranked guys.
Give me a Suggs
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My bad on the last post, it’s Cuffe JR that is likely to reclass, not Armstrong. KSU actually has some strong ties there.
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If we lose tomorrow I’ll be worried.
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Mason and Graham are exceptions. Just not easy to find guys severely underranked who will be so good they get jerseys in the rafters.
Need to realize we were spoiled
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@BShark I just think we are more like a 10 loss team this year. Will drop a couple of games the three doesn’t drop I’m thinking.
Still wouldn’t want to play us in March/April
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Mason and Graham are exceptions. Just not easy to find guys severely underranked who will be so good they get jerseys in the rafters.
Need to realize we were spoiled
Yeah. Bryce was a great addition in the last class. We struck out this year in the high school ranks. At this point it has to be a reclass or immediately eligible transfer in. Self will add a guard, of that I am sure.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark I just think we are more like a 10 loss team this year. Will drop a couple of games the three doesn’t drop I’m thinking.
Still wouldn’t want to play us in March/April
I think 6-7 losses. 21-22 wins with the lower game total schedule. This assumes all games are actually played.
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Silvio’s absence due to drunken stupidity this year might hurt this teams roster as much as his presence against Duke helped us in his first season. I still hated Grayson Allen and Duke that year enough to say it was worth it but it’s getting very hard to argue Silvio as a net positive objectively.
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Hickman is the guy we needed to land, Self went all in there and ran into Calipari. SUCKS but that happens regardless of the NCAA crap imo. Never getting Davison or Chandler. Not sure how serious KU was with Diggins or Collins but they both went to ahem, known acquirers of talent.
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@BShark with the lower game total you’re probably right.
We will have a pretty good feel for this team after the Creighton game. Will have played 3 good teams. Can’t go 0-3
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@AsadZ Bryce got his legs the second half.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@AsadZ Bryce got his legs the second half.
Yeah Jalen and Bryce both started nervous but rounded into form.
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@BShark Jalen surprised me.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark Jalen surprised me.
Same, I thought he was a potential transfer risk but he looks like one of the best 5 players on the team. His body transformation is incredible you can tell he worked really hard for it.
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@Crimsonorblue22 me too. Way better showing than I expected. He wasn’t bouncy but he was tough, smart, long, and seems like he could be reliable.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark I just think we are more like a 10 loss team this year. Will drop a couple of games the three doesn’t drop I’m thinking.
Still wouldn’t want to play us in March/April
Back away from the ledge, this isn’t a 10 loss team. If this team loses 10, that means they got bit by the injury bug big time this year. This is a 5-6 loss team.
This group is nowhere close to the profile of Self’s other two 10 loss teams here.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 2013-2014 and 2018-2019 were both talented rosters on paper. I think I agree it won’t be a 10 loss team, simply because Marcus is as tough a leader as they come and we are returning more talent than 2013-2014, but it’s a team that lost its PG and AA Big, that appears to be missing a reliable rim protector unless this showing by Dave is anomalous.
With the Big 12 being very competitive this year, I think 8 losses is likely.
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10 losses is not out of the question. Look at the schedule and you can see where there’s plenty of 50/50 games especially if certain guys do not step up. I don’t think we’ve seen enough games to predict that. This may end up one of those teams that takes a while to gel. Lots of new faces, lots of guys in new roles.
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Let’s talk about Jeff bad takes Goodman
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/406823435751284736
“Not good news for KU when Frank Mason takes shot with game on the line.”
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@approxinfinity said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 2013-2014 and 2018-2019 were both talented rosters on paper. I think I agree it won’t be a 10 loss team, simply because Marcus is as tough a leader as they come and we are returning more talent than 2013-2014, but it’s a team that lost its PG and AA Big, that appears to be missing a reliable rim protector unless this showing by Dave is anomalous.
With the Big 12 being very competitive this year, I think 8 losses is likely.
2013-14 had Naadir Tharpe running point, enough said. 2018-19 had all kinds of injury issues and was just a very inexperienced team overall considering half of the current rotation was on that team. Garrett is a far better PG than Tharpe ever was and I would take this version of Garrett over freshman Dotson was.
