Gonzaga Game Thread
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
The defense will get better the more these guys play together and get their chemistry working together.
We know Dave isn’t Doke, but he’s also not going to shoot 3-9 every game either. This is where losing Silvio is going to hurt the most because what’s going to hurt Dave the most is not having another legit big to practice against everyday. Silvio was going to be that guy, but now it’s an undersized Mitch or a too skinny Gethro guarding Dave in practice.
Not having Silvio also means that Mitch can’t play the 4 next to Dave and help on defense which is Mitch’s biggest strength on defense.
With the length KU has, I’d like to see Self develop a zone defense to take advantage of KU’s perimeter length. Not something to run all the time, but it can be weaponized to great effect to disrupt the other team.
Well said all around.
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@Kcmatt7 Jalen at the 5 is intriguing though, for sure.
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Maybe teams should have played their top conference rival in the first couple weeks this season, in case the season by conference time gets canceled. It would be nice to see us vs. Baylor.
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All time tweet here from Dougie. This is why you try not to have too hot of takes early.
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Texas, West Virginia. The list goes on
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m judging Dave off of 2 previous seasons. He was shit last season too which is why we went 4 guard
Dave was played out of position last year which is why he looked like shit until he played the 5 backing up Doke.
Please tell me what front court Dave will see the rest of the season that’s as good as what Gonzaga has?
This is the third time I’ve asked this question in general now and nobody has yet answered it because there isn’t better front court than Gonzaga this season.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Texas, West Virginia. The list goes on
Those are good front courts, but still nowhere near what Gonzaga has in both quality and depth.
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@approxinfinity said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Dave looked like what I expected from him for aboutt 4 minutes to start the second half. He got a couple key rebounds, stayed with his man, took strong shots down low and finished through traffic. Outside of those 4 minutes he was a complete dumpster fire. I don’t think it’s an athleticism problem. He just looked shockingly lost.
Several plays in the first half he showed zero want to on the defensive side of the ball.
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It’s the first game going against a team that will be in the top 5 all season. It’s impossible to judge our season’s success now. With that said I have no doubts that West Virginia and Baylor will beat us easily in both games.
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Zags posts are good, defensively they aren’t anything special. It’s a stupid argument
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@rockchalkwyo said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
With that said I have no doubts that West Virginia and Baylor will beat us easily in both games.
Hmm, Self usually manages to put Drew in a box. The 2nd game last year Self destroyed Drew. I will never count Self out against Baylor for that reason.
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Huggins pulling down his mask to yell. Ughins.
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We’ve seen plenty from Dave and today looked like what we saw last year.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
It’s the first game going against a team that will be in the top 5 all season. It’s impossible to judge our season’s success now. With that said I have no doubts that West Virginia and Baylor will beat us easily in both games.
Same shit people said after the 30 turnovers against Duke last year. KU will be fine. This is what happens when not the best team in the country plays the best team in the country.
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@Kcmatt7 yeah. I’m not buying the excuses. Dave is going to have a pretty low floor this year.
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Most improved player is Wilson
Bryce will be a star
Abaji, please shooting the trey
I think Wilson and Abaji have a higher ceiling than Braun, and they should be in the starting lineup at least by conference play
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Agbaji and Wilson both started today. I think it’s possible Bryce works into the starting line-up over Braun. He fits a bit better with Garrett I think.
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Correct, I concur that Bryce should take over Braun after a few games. One can tell as to why he was a 5 start player.
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@BShark said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Agbaji and Wilson both started today. I think it’s possible Bryce works into the starting line-up over Braun. He fits a bit better with Garrett I think.
Good take there.
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Dave M needs to slow down, he seemed too rushed today. He did show several good post moves which is very encouraging.
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Maybe Wilson becomes the defacto 5. We cannot start Dave
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@AsadZ said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Dave M needs to slow down, he seemed too rushed today. He did show several good post moves which is very encouraging.
We’ve been saying slow down for 3 yrs now…
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I thought one of Jalen/Tristan might transfer after this year. If today is any indication it will be Tristan. I’d like to keep him but it seems like he isn’t a great fit with Self.
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He can be a force, just needs to slow down his game. He should watch tape of Thomas R and Morrii
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Can we have Danny join the staff immediately? Call it some bogus title. LOL
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We should realize that he is now considered as the main Big, a new role. I am optimistic that he will be a force, double double kind of a player.
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Dave is basically Bragg. Slow footed big with limited athleticism and an okay jumper
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I don’t see Self going away from McCormack so I hope he can figure out some effort things that have plagued him for 3 yrs now. He clearly has some offensive skill but everything else just looked below average
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PG is the huge need going forward. We’ve addressed the bigs in recruiting (Zach is really good, trust me on this) but you give this core a salty grad transfer SR guard next year WATCH OUT.
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Two plays that stick out from a effort standpoint regarding Dave is him being unable to box out and rebound. 2 baskets he gave up off misses for simple effort, balls Timme grabbed and quickly put up for layups
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@BeddieKU23 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
I don’t see Self going away from McCormack so I hope he can figure out some effort things that have plagued him for 3 yrs now. He clearly has some offensive skill but everything else just looked below average
Yeah this is the thing. Don’t forget he tried to forcefully start Dave by playing him out of position last year. He loves Dave.
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@BShark at least he showed he was willing to play Wilson at the 5 today though. I was worried he’d throw Mitch out there no matter what.
Still hope Dave plays limited time
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@BShark why can Self not land a OAD PG?
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark at least he showed he was willing to play Wilson at the 5 today though. I was worried he’d throw Mitch out there no matter what.
Still hope Dave plays limited time
Ultimately Self does want to win. Dave only played 20 minutes today. If he doesn’t get better that might be around his mpg.
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I am optimistic that he will improve, this is the 1st game without any pre-season against #1 ranked team with an incredible front court. Last year he did not get much PT as KU played mostly 4 guard lineup. I envision him a double double caliber player.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark why can Self not land a OAD PG?
Legit OAD guards are pretty rare. I’m happy with landing 4-5* guys. Nothing is happening in this class though short of a reclass from Armstrong but I think for next year and how good the roster looks around that spot, I’d prefer a 5th year SR.
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@Kcmatt7 Selby comes to mind LoL.
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@Kcmatt7 he had one. Selby
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@AsadZ beat me to it.
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Grimes thought he was a OAD…and I guess at KU he was…
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For PG I’d rather have Mason and Graham type of players, no OAD please, although every once in a while it will be nice to have a Josh J, Wiggins etc.
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@approxinfinity said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 he had one. Selby
I’ve blocked these memories from my brain.
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@AsadZ they have two 100+ ranked guys.
Give me a Suggs
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My bad on the last post, it’s Cuffe JR that is likely to reclass, not Armstrong. KSU actually has some strong ties there.
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If we lose tomorrow I’ll be worried.
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Mason and Graham are exceptions. Just not easy to find guys severely underranked who will be so good they get jerseys in the rafters.
Need to realize we were spoiled
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@BShark I just think we are more like a 10 loss team this year. Will drop a couple of games the three doesn’t drop I’m thinking.
Still wouldn’t want to play us in March/April
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
Mason and Graham are exceptions. Just not easy to find guys severely underranked who will be so good they get jerseys in the rafters.
Need to realize we were spoiled
Yeah. Bryce was a great addition in the last class. We struck out this year in the high school ranks. At this point it has to be a reclass or immediately eligible transfer in. Self will add a guard, of that I am sure.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Gonzaga Game Thread:
@BShark I just think we are more like a 10 loss team this year. Will drop a couple of games the three doesn’t drop I’m thinking.
Still wouldn’t want to play us in March/April
I think 6-7 losses. 21-22 wins with the lower game total schedule. This assumes all games are actually played.
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Silvio’s absence due to drunken stupidity this year might hurt this teams roster as much as his presence against Duke helped us in his first season. I still hated Grayson Allen and Duke that year enough to say it was worth it but it’s getting very hard to argue Silvio as a net positive objectively.
