The JD Redemption Story
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Telling quote from the Horny Toads coach:
“Very seldom do you win a football game when you turn the ball over three times,” Dykes said. “We were very fortunate that way.”
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@kjayhawks your signature is prescient
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@kjayhawks and that is to say I believe Jeff Grimes has called his last play at Kansas
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@FarmerJayhawk I don’t wish the guy any harm but we have to change something here in hopes of making a bowl game
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@FarmerJayhawk my biggest issue is this team on paper coming in as probably the most talented since 2008 and they may end up winless in conference play that’s just sad man. Devin Neal is going to play in the NFL, Cobee Bryant, Melo Dotson are all probably getting drafted. Jerome Robinson, Cornell Wheeler, Luke Grimm and Lawrence Arnold will have a chance to do the same or at least get camp invites. Gosh I feel so bad for them guys.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in The JD Redemption Story:
@kjayhawks and that is to say I believe Jeff Grimes has called his last play at Kansas
Goff needs to step in here. Someone has to be the sacrificial lamb.
But regardless of whether they do or not, it’s too late. They had to win one of these two games to make a bowl game. He shouldn’t have called plays today.
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Imagine asking JD to throw 30 passes after watching him throw a football these past 4 games. What a game plan.
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I will say the fan discourse on twitter talking about firing LL is hysterical. Guy is still THE guy.
Unfortunate season. He is still a heck of a coach.
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@Kcmatt7 we are a fickle people, us KU football fans. It’s funny, who do they think we can get after paying $40m or whatever in buyouts?
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@FarmerJayhawk who do they think takes this job if you fire LL after one bad season? lol.
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@Kcmatt7 man it’s gonna be you and me out there lol
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I went to the game today.
That’s about all I have to say about that.
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@approxinfinity. Perhaps a new title for this thread? Something like - Hang on Folks - Basketball Season is almost here! Or KU Football - Same as it Ever Was.
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@nuleafjhawk Do not be too eager to deal out judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that JD has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over.
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@approxinfinity whatever he’s going to do, he’d better get started soon
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@Kcmatt7 said in The JD Redemption Story:
I will say the fan discourse on twitter talking about firing LL is hysterical. Guy is still THE guy.
Unfortunate season. He is still a heck of a coach.
People who run their pie holes talking about firing Coach just goes to show how incompetent they are and don’t have a clue between their arse and a hole in the ground -makes no sense st all after aone bad season
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@jayballer67 It’s silly to give a big contract after one good season, just as it’s silly to fire a coach after one bad season. You need continuity to have any chance at building a program. But the biggest thing is finding the right QB.
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@approxinfinity said in The JD Redemption Story:
@nuleafjhawk Do not be too eager to deal out judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that JD has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over.
Unfortunately I fear he is done. Arm is shot, play caller doesn’t mesh, and he is making reads like a high school freshman. I don’t remember a player regressing more than him in my lifetime.
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KC, What do you think about our O play calling this year?
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@AsadZ I think the pass game has obviously been a major issue.
Too many straight drop backs. JD should be put into a lot of RPOs and rollouts with a run/pass option.
I also think they aren’t involving JD enough in the run game, and he’s not scrambling to run enough. If he would torch some teams on the ground they would need to start accounting for him. Which in turn opens the pass game up more.
JD not seeing the field is a challenge, but it’s even worse for him when you aren’t scheming him easy completions. You can call the perfect play but if your personnel can’t execute it doesn’t matter.
I also think we have made a scheme change pre snap to a “double motion” vs a shift. So we run a motion, then let the motion guy get set, and then run another motion. There is nothing inherently tricky about this to prep for.
A team that did the AK shifts is much tougher. You may matchup with personnel, but then we shift 3 guys all at one time and now you’re asking 3-5 defenders to adjust who they are covering.
I also thought AK schemed the running backs into the passing game better than Grimes has so far. Like not in screens but down the field. Get Devin or Hishaw the ball on the run in open space and good luck.
At the same time, I think Grimes may be a cerebral play caller and a capable QB may make him look amazing. The bigger issue I have with Grimes is his playcallibg has not adjusted for how we are currently playing. Meaning JD should not be asked to throw the ball 30 times.
What is disappointing is that LL apparently hasnt stepped in and forced Grimes to make these adjustments, which is a failure on his part. He should be criticized. He is still a really solid coach by all appearances, and he lets his guys do their job which I like. But last week was the time to get involved and influence the scheme. That didn’t happen.
If it were me, I would probably make the change to Marshall at halftime if JD doesn’t look good again against ASU and start the clock on his 4 games.
You need to get him work since we won’t be in a bowl game this year.
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Very precise analysis KC.
When I look at our offense it seems to me like we are playing 90s football.
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@Kcmatt7 I agree with pretty much all that. I did think the playcalling was much better this week. Grimes leaned into the RPO game and stuck with the run for the most part. Best of all I don’t think he called a single bubble screen lol.
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@FarmerJayhawk yea I think technically it was about the same run to pass ratio this week as it has been. But I agree I thought they were a little sharper this week from the eye test.
We are still really lacking in explosive plays.
The other thought is simply that we should probably only be throwing the ball 15-20 times a game and JD should be running the ball 15-20 times a game. Klein or Snyder at KSU take this exact roster and are 4-1 or 5-0, they tell the WRs to piss off, and they run JD until he breaks. QB draws, QB ISOs, midline reads, inverted veers, etc. If you’re ride or die with JD, and he had his mojo stolen by Dr. Evil, you have to adjust and use what he has to offer. Even if you do this game to game. Run a normal script to start, if he looks sharp keep throwing. If he’s off, go to plan B.
Have we ran a single trick play all season? A QB throwback? Have we even ran a normal rollout to the right throw back to the left to a leaking TE? These are staples in CFB. They work every week.
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Why not try a 2 quarterback scheme? Let JD do some running and easy passes to gain confidence and then have Ballard or Marshall come in especially if JD is out of sync. Why do we stick with something in FB when it is not working? In BB, he would be sitting on the bench. If he is a pitcher in baseball, he would be yanked after a few innings of poor execution if even that long.
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@dylans said in The JD Redemption Story:
@jayballer67 It’s silly to give a big contract after one good season, just as it’s silly to fire a coach after one bad season. You need continuity to have any chance at building a program. But the biggest thing is finding the right QB.
Continuity exactly, that’s why you don’t fire the Coach after one bad Season This program is light years ahead of where it was when Lance got here. - -He couldn’t even play a regular spring game when he got here, our roster was so low and players hurt etc -he has had to take individual steps at time building this program back up. we went from what a winless year to what three wins ? - -then Six then Nine ? --right ?
If someone was to try and say they thought when he got here we were going to go from the laughingstock in the Nation because of the pathetic state the program was in when Lance got here to a Big 12 contender in such little time – if someone would of said that to others - -thy would of told you to put the crack pipe down and slowly back away.
Yet that’s what he did – -NOW even though this year hasn’t played out for sure, but you don’t fire the fricken Coach for one Bad Season. -you do that and chances are pretty dam good your going right back down into the crapper and once again the laughing stock.- -your gonna lose recruits, firing your Coach at the first sign of trouble is not the answer.
I do agree that JD - -has for sure not played up to capabilities - - he is a shell of who he was, - maybe we do need change at QB , not sure all I know he is no where close to where he was at. Michael Swain pretty much just straight out laid it out like it is, not pulling any strings – but the ruth hurts sometimes
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@Kcmatt7 said in The JD Redemption Story:
The bigger issue I have with Grimes is his playcallibg has not adjusted for how we are currently playing. Meaning JD should not be asked to throw the ball 30 times.
Yes. 100%. And… not adjusting is probably the key – I’m not sure his play calling adjusted for the particular mix of talent he had – the line, the QB, the RBs, and receivers – they are not what we had last year and they are definitely not what he had at Baylor, etc. In other words, I think he more or less forced a system on a group that didn’t have the makeup to make that system successful.
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@bskeet spot on the best coaches adjust to what best fits the players they have. Bill Snyder is undefeated with this group because he would be running the heck out of JD. They had seasons with Klein where the QB was a key player in that he rushing attack and years with guys like Thompson and Waters that they ran a more balanced attack with more passing. We need more roll out plays getting JD away from an inconsistent line, more option plays, better plays to build his confidence and more movement pre snap.
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@kjayhawks The O line has actually been the best group of the bunch. Not sure how much stock people put in pro football focus grades, but they are far and away the leading group in that with every lineman being in the top 6 of their position for the conference. And that is considering Tackle, and Guard, as a position so really competing against a double counted position group. I’m not explaining that well but listen to the locked on jayhawks podcast and Derrick Johnson explains it better.
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@benshawks08 The line has been better than I thought they would be for sure. They have done a solid job, obviously they hav some break downs but they seem to be coming together as unit better than most on the team.
