Let's talk about Bill.....
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Whooa OP coming with the HEAT.
The Harris debate will rage on all season. We can all see Bobby is really good already for a freshman. He passes the eye test easily. I find it very encouraging that he’s averaged 14 minutes so far with such a deep team so you know Bill and the staff are committed to playing him. It’s too early to tell who should be playing more so far. I don’t see the improvement so far from Harris that makes me think someone like Pettiford couldn’t take that spot as the season goes on. But we all know Bill will rely on the guys he trusts and Harris is someone he trusts. I know that’s part of the OP’s theme here that Bill is who he is, for better or worse. I think putting Pettiford in the starting lineup is premature for now.
Has KU underperformed in March?- no doubt they have. That’s why 2020 hurts so bad for me at least (I’m sure many on here feel the same). We had the best PG & C in the country period. But winning in March isn’t easy at all and its hard to remember the last time a KU season wasn’t derailed by a significant injury/pandemic situation going into the Tournament. I’m certainly hopeful things will change this season
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Clemence should have played more Friday. Game flow hurt him more then anything. I thought Self should have given Zach an opportunity despite the matchup. Only going to get more difficult to see the floor when Wilson returns
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I was calling for more Sherron in his freshman year over Rus Rob. Bill doesn’t operate that way. I wish he’d sacrifice some regular-season games for a more seasoned tournament team.
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@BeddieKU23 “its hard to remember the last time a KU season wasn’t derailed by a significant injury/pandemic situation going into the Tournament.”
Not remembering 2018 at the final four missing anyone. I guess my way of thinking I remember only the really significant injury years like 2014 with Embiid hurt. 2012 was humming along all the way to an 8 point loss in the NC. Not remembering injuries then.
I’m not exactly asking you to go back and list every season and its injuries but I’m puzzled by your statement.
My theory is more supported in looking at who knocked us out of the tournament. Last season an elite 8 team beat us, 2019, a final four team knocked us out. 97,o2,03,12,16,18 NChampions beat us. 2017, FF team knocked us out as well as many others. Sweet 16 teams in 14 and 15 knocked us out, in fact other than the killer B years in the mid 2000’s we got knocked out by sweet 16 teams every single season going back to 1986 (other than the probation year).
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The Harris/RussRob/Bobby/Sherron comparison I think is a good one. Sherron was an ASSET off the bench because when he came in he changed the game and Bobby has that potential as well. Harris is a stable player who can be trusted to defend at a high level and move the ball on a team where there are already 3 guys who NEED the ball in their hands (Och, Remy, Dave). His ability to facilitate and get them going early is valuable to the team beyond his individual ability to score.
When Bobby comes in, he changes the tempo of the game and adds a wrinkle for the other team to have to figure out. All of the sudden, instead of this calm facilitator, there’s a bowling ball crashing into the paint at 100 MPH. I’m not sure that style is actually sustainable nor beneficial for 30 mpg. I think if Bobby were getting big time starter minutes, it would just lead to defenses figuring him out better, and putting him in more situations where he may not be comfortable. As it is right now he seems to know his role and be successful within that role. I do think it’s possible by the end of the year he could be finishing some games if his level of play continues to improve throughout the season.
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Here’s how I remember it.
2020-2021- Dave/Jalen Covid situation.
2019-2020- Covid cancels tournament.
2018-2019- Azubuike injured around game 9/10. Vick situation. Mess of a year.
2017-2018- Azubuike suffers knee injury before Big-12 tournament. Played at about 75/80% rest of way.
After that I don’t remember as well lol.
I used to get some satisfaction knowing KU lost to good teams. Got over that phase. The Villanova games ended that for me.
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Hot Take
Dajuan Harris may lead KU to regular-season success but Bobby Pettiford is the key to post-season success. One to frame for later?
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I think we’ve seen 2 games and don’t know who will give us the higher ceiling yet. Bobby has looked great, but Juan has been just fine. I think it’ll be interesting to see how the rotation works out when Jalen is back.
I think Juan offers a style of unselfish pure PG play that this team needs when you are playing at least 3 of Ochai, Remy, Wilson and Dave at the same time. Bobby has only been in for stretches. Is he able to play that way consistently if given extended minutes?
Good problems to have.
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I think more than Juan vs. Pettiford, the more important trade off to watch is JCL vs. Braun minutes.
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If this offense is dependent on Harris making buckets that’s a coaching problem. Self added 3600 points in the transfer portal to this team and you can tell already. Ochai Agbaji through 2 games is playing at an Elite level. I think as long as we see the ball get to the right guys hands on offense then Harris playing 25-30 a night probably isn’t too much of a concern.
Jalen returning is an interesting dynamic. I’m definitely concerned about him coming back
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@BeddieKU23 Have we heard about what type of offseason he had?
I anticipate him playing a lot of minutes at the 5 and that is partially why I’m not worried. Even when we had a historically awful bench, there were a good handful of games Jalen didn’t even play 25 minutes last season. So it isn’t like Bill played him just to play him.
Ultimately if his work ethic from Frosh to Soph was any indication I think we can expect another leap forward and another matchup nightmare added to the starting rotation. To me it looks like we have 3 (4 I guess with Dave) that could go for 30 any given night. Which is pretty dang exciting.
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Hard to tell for sure. I remember Self saying during Late Night he had improved a good bit. Looked in great shape from what little I’ve seen. Intel leaving the program lately has been tough, we had no idea Jalen Wilson was going to be a starter last season for example.
I came into the season thinking he was the x-factor given the roster. That improvement from Frosh to last year had him on draft radars for a bit. Consistency was hit or miss and also his attitude on the court/sidelines left something to be desired at times. Then he goes and gets the DUI right before the season so that’s where my concern lies. If he gives us consistent 11 & 7 production a night he’s going to be a difference maker. Hopefully he’s matured from this latest setback and is locked in. I thought the key for him was minimizing off-nights. That was something Agbaji made strides with last season. I think that’s what I was really looking forward to seeing from Jalen. We definitely need his versatility on offense and rebounding on both ends.
Let’s put it this way, he has the chance to be the #2 scorer on this team that already has Remy & Dave fighting for that mantle. Having 4 guys that could be your #1 option on offense is scary.
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The offense and defense flows with Harris at the point, and I’m a Pettiford fan. The interesting part will be next year… Harris is not a future pro imo but Pettiford will be. Will they be able to set their egos aside for less playing time? Because both need to play. At any rate, if they can co-exist, we’re set at the point for quite some time.
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So real talk, what is the key weakness that will prevent this team from winning the title?
What is the strength that could lead us to a championship?
For me the weakness unfortunately is Dave and the inside presence in general. He is just not an elite big man and he’s the only one we’ve got. I know people keep saying Zach needs to play but is he really a solid low post presence on both ends? Luckily Dave does seem to be jumping a little better this year and so is a threat on lobs with our guards driving from every angle. Which leads me to the second question.
The strength is easy. Guards. Oach, Remy, Harris, and Bobby are a group that can just take over a game with their speed and athleticism on both ends of the floor. We all know guards win in March. I’m hoping Och has truly developed some killer instinct that we’ve been dying for him to have since he pulled that redshirt and blew our socks off.
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@benshawks08 Good posts. Thanks for expounding on the Russ Rob comparison. I think it’s important to give credit to coaches for players doing well when they demonstrate growth even if it happens later in or after their time under that coach. It is crucial that players find confidence and proficiency. Bobby is showing that. I would worry more if he was struggling from the bench.
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@benshawks08 bro, I’m with you, and I’ve gotten flack for it. He’s too inconsistent and lacks desire. He has accumulated some good games, when we lacked talent. We don’t lack talent now. 22 mpg tops. Mitch 6 mpg, or maybe less.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
I think we’ve seen 2 games and don’t know who will give us the higher ceiling yet. Bobby has looked great, but Juan has been just fine. I think it’ll be interesting to see how the rotation works out when Jalen is back.
I think Juan offers a style of unselfish pure PG play that this team needs when you are playing at least 3 of Ochai, Remy, Wilson and Dave at the same time. Bobby has only been in for stretches. Is he able to play that way consistently if given extended minutes?
Good problems to have.
According to his AAU coach (I think it was AAU and not HS) coach on the Phog Bobby is the kind of kid that will do w/e is asked of him in terms of playstyle. Definitely looks like the staff has mostly asked him to distribute as well.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
I think more than Juan vs. Pettiford, the more important trade off to watch is JCL vs. Braun minutes.
CB is the better overall player. JCL is a really nice bench spark plug piece to have and I hope he is in the 15-20 minutes range.
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@BShark said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
@Kcmatt7 said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
I think more than Juan vs. Pettiford, the more important trade off to watch is JCL vs. Braun minutes.
CB is the better overall player. JCL is a really nice bench spark plug piece to have and I hope he is in the 15-20 minutes range.
Agree, like JCL. And Braun is scrappy, we need him. Not in the Mitch way - Braun is scrappy at the right times, and changes the flow of games. Mitch doesn’t, and never has.
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@Marco said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
@benshawks08 bro, I’m with you, and I’ve gotten flack for it. He’s too inconsistent and lacks desire. He has accumulated some good games, when we lacked talent. We don’t lack talent now. 22 mpg tops. Mitch 6 mpg, or maybe less.
Would never say he lacks desire. If anything he may want it too much…
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After 2 games I would say post play in general is our top overall weakness I see. Mitch is the current backup, enough said. He is however good in certain matchups. It comes down to having a consistent rebounder and rim protector. I think when Self has a dude down low that offenses fear he dials up pressure real well on the perimeter.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Let's talk about Bill.....:
After 2 games I would say post play in general is our top overall weakness I see. Mitch is the current backup, enough said. He is however good in certain matchups. It comes down to having a consistent rebounder and rim protector. I think when Self has a dude down low that offenses fear he dials up pressure real well on the perimeter.
This is what I’ve observed as well. The question is whether he can get the pressure dialed up with just the guards. Dave has shown a little better instances of rim protection this year and at the end of last year. I feel like we are starting to see some double teams in the post to try to get the ball moving for the other team because I think we’ll probably have a speed advantage on the perimeter most games.
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@benshawks08 lol typo, I guess. I meant skill… Wtf? How did that happen? I swear, I didn’t type that…
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Jayballer67 no one saying that Mitch shouldn’t play. Only that he play about 4 or 5 mpg is all - crunchtime minutes, when we badly need that loyal floorburn hustle.
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Loved the steal and bucket breakaways we had against Mich St on a ball reversal.
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Thought Dave struggled defensively against Michigan St. I don’t have higher hopes for his D this season then expected. I think he is who he is on that end. Was hoping he’d rebound in that 7-10 a game range and give us his usual 1 block a game or so average. So far he’s definitely looked a bit more springy on his vertical for whatever that’s worth
