OU, Texas to the SEC?
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Should have known there would be bad news after the excellent summer recruitment period and excitement about the B12.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Is there any incentive for the B10 to take us? Also would we have any obligation to take KSU with us? I agree the B10 seems like the ideal landing place for Kansas if this were to happen.
Depends on how they value us I suppose. If we bring enough to grow the per school revenue pie, it makes sense.
There isn’t any formal rule joining the schools. Back in the last round Chancellor Bernie GL said it was in our interests to stay together, but I’m not sure how Girod feels. Given his hard science background he may feel the B1G is a better fit and KSU be damned.
@approxinfinity there’s a small, really cranky slice of our fanbase that thinks we should either drop football altogether or move to FCS and just be a hoops school. They aren’t good at math or strategic thinking, but that’s a view out there.
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If this happens , I think KU will be fine and yes I do think the BiG would take us -as far as K-State I think they are screwed at least in major Conferences.- -I think we because of the Blueblood status would increase revenue for the B1G at least that seems to be pretty much what I’ve heard.
This if indeed true should not surprise anyone. Seen this coming who knows might be interesting a change. Think it would be interesting Match ups in Basketball for us
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Serious question: So how does this work? A school can just up and leave a conference when the mood strikes? Who is stirring the pot and why can’t the rest of the schools tell OU and TX to pound sand?
Seems like lesser schools such as KSU that stand to lose status in a deal like this would have some say or recourse if they are hurt financially by realignment. Doesn’t seem right or fair.
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#2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. https://twitter.com/gkketch/status/1418006832828780544?s=19
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@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Serious question: So how does this work? A school can just up and leave a conference when the mood strikes? Who is stirring the pot and why can’t the rest of the schools tell OU and TX to pound sand?
Seems like lesser schools such as KSU that stand to lose status in a deal like this would have some say or recourse if they are hurt financially by realignment. Doesn’t seem right or fair.
The short version is this wouldn’t take effect until 2025, when the Big 12 media deal is up. Schools sign a grant of rights with their conference, essentially saying you have control over our media deals. Once those are up, schools can play a free agency type game and look for the best deal. That’s what OU and Texas are doing. They see the Big 12 might not be in an advantageous position come the next media contract, so they need to move pretty quickly to lay down a marker. I would want KU to do the same if the opportunity came.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
#2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. https://twitter.com/gkketch/status/1418006832828780544?s=19
You think #2 would be enough to get 11/14 SEC schools to vote yes to Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference?
Also is there any way that Texas and Oklahoma could join the SEC before 2025? Some sort of buyout maybe? Similarly for Kansas and other B12 schools?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
#2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. https://twitter.com/gkketch/status/1418006832828780544?s=19
You think #2 would be enough to get 11/14 SEC schools to vote yes to Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference?
Also is there any way that Texas and Oklahoma could join the SEC before 2025? Some sort of buyout maybe? Similarly for Kansas and other B12 schools?
On that point, it’s the catalyst to get UT to jump. LHN was the big factor that kept them in the Big 12. I think the combination of UT and OU get the 11 votes. I don’t think either on their own get there. The allure of a 16 team super league is too much to pass up, even if A&M and Miz/Vandy/whoever get cold feet.
Yeah, someone would have to buy out the GoR. I’m not privy to the contracts but I’m sure there’s some kind of exit process. If not I guess they can wait until 2025 to move.
In any case, AD Goff got the gig in part because of his B1G connections. Lets hope he can get the deal done. While he won’t be the deciding factor (that’s KBOR and Doc Girod), he won’t hurt our case.
This accelerated from chatter to a done deal in about 8 hours. Tomorrow, hang onto your butts, Bucketeers
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Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!
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@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!
Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy
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@FarmerJayhawk I concur, that would seem to be the best and most likely fit… But man, it smacks of outright greed. As if OU and Texas are broke?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!
Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy
The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn’t last with the huge reduction in revenue.
Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn’t what they were, but they’ve never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 whats the better alternative to going to the Big 10? Or are you saying there are no good options?
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KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That’s workable.
The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!
Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy
The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn’t last with the huge reduction in revenue.
Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn’t what they were, but they’ve never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.
Which is why I said “if we could,” which we clearly cannot. And heavily favor the B1G for KU’s future.
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@approxinfinity said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 whats the better alternative to going to the Big 10? Or are you saying there are no good options?
It really depends on what the priority is where the best fit for KU is. Academics, the Big 10 would be a significant upgrade for KU. With Athletics, it again would depend on the goals of the athletic department. If the goal is to build up football, then trying to keep the Big 12 together would be the best case scenario. If that proves to not be a viable option, the AAC is probably the best option for football. As far as basketball goes, it’d be push between the Big 10 and Big 12. KU doesn’t recruit regionally in basketball so it doesn’t really matter too much if KU is in the Big 10 or Big 12, they’ll still be a consistent top 5 program.
The only other viable option if the Big 12 dissolved would be the PAC 12 which is a much less attractive option than it was 10 years ago. If the Big 12 is not an option, the Big 10 would be the next best overall option, but would also mean we’ll likely never see football be competitive.
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@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That’s workable.
The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.
I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.
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The talkers from on high are out. Move quickly, not be left holding our junk like last time around http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jul/22/proactive-approach-critical-for-ku-if-ok/
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@FarmerJayhawk this is going to move pretty quickly. Really not much of a reason to drag it out, at this point.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That’s workable.
The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.
I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.
Slight correction: I’m sure you’re talking about Big 5 football schools only, but the WAC does have teams in the Pacific, Mountain & Central time zones. Never did understand why UMKC was ever a member…the travel costs must have been killer.
You’re right about road trips to Pullman, though. As someone once said, “It ain’t the end of the world, but you can see it from there.”
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@nwhawkfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That’s workable.
The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.
I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.
Slight correction: I’m sure you’re talking about Big 5 football schools only, but the WAC does have teams in the Pacific, Mountain & Central time zones. Never did understand why UMKC was ever a member…the travel costs must have been killer.
You’re right about road trips to Pullman, though. As someone once said, “It ain’t the end of the world, but you can see it from there.”
Oh man I forgot about the reincarnation of the WAC. Wild times
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Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and… UVA
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OU and Texas not expected to take part in the B12 call this evening.
Don’t wait if you’re Kansas.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and… UVA
Makes sense considering UNC and GT were also rumored to have interest last go around.
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One thing that could play into KU’s favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we’re even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.
KU’s digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that’s the desired route.
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One other option that hasn’t been tossed around much if OU and Texas left would be to go out an poach other schools. With the shape of the PAC 12 right now, poaching Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools could be feasible while also looking at schools like Houston and Cincinnati as well.
A 14 team conference with that membership would be better than the PAC in football for sure and competitive with the ACC top to bottom. In basketball, that’d be a monster of conference as well as Arizona and Cincinnati are consistent tournament teams and Houston in a major conference with what Sampson is doing now would have some staying power as well to be a consistent top 25 program.
In that 14 team model, it’d be easy enough to set split the conference so the Arizona schools and WVU and Cincy don’t travel those directions very frequently. Even in basketball, it’d be an unbalanced schedule so it’d be possible to not schedule those four schools against each other too often with a road trip every other year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
One thing that could play into KU’s favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we’re even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.
KU’s digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that’s the desired route.
For sure. Depending on how you figure the numbers, KU is second or third in the league in T3 value. Mostly due to the valuable games we let ESPN+ show every year. I’ll laugh my ass off if the same people who thought that deal was terrible and low class end up having to admit it saved our arse
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Found this from another KU Site. G Swaim sports : Reported things were moving fast said was getting calls , texts , & E-mails saying that the Pac 12 were wanting to add : Oklahoma State , Texas Tech , KSU & Iowa State to go to 16 teams.
Saying that the 4 they wanted to add would join a division with Arizona State , Utes , Buffs , & Bears
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In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?
The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we’ve already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can’t imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that’s 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.
Here’s where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman’s agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M’s reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.
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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
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@FarmerJayhawk OH NO $5 A MONTH!!!
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If the rest of the Big XII teams wanted to play hardball with OU and UT, they could follow the lead of the European soccer leagues (pardon the mixed metaphor).
Earlier this year the big money clubs tried to break away and create a Super League. Immediately the domestic leagues threatened them with heavy fines and other major sanctions. That (and near-riots in some cities) made the big dogs back off.
It’s not like the NCAA has much power left to stop the other B12 schools from doing that. Welcome to the Wild West.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
That’s total bullshit. You’re not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?
The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we’ve already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can’t imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that’s 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.
Here’s where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman’s agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M’s reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.
Na , I think they are in if THEY want in. - -There was also an interesting report that FOX Sports could come up with a very tempting finanicial offer that would have Texas & Oklahoma play as an independent and FOX Network becoming involved with a contract sitting up a series of games --that could be dangled in front of their face. - I still think it’s SEC and really don’t see a lot of problem with them getting in. SEC has now come out publically about expansion and wanting the possibility of Oklahoma & Texas. I think the interest is VERY REAL from both parties
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
Couldn’t agree more , don’t think it will be much of an issue with them being accepted.
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Found this & heard from articles and Video off ESPN . Makes very solid point. He says Oklahoma & Texas are just getting the jump. He says when Oklahoma and Texas joins the SEC then going to become the SEC and then everyone else. SEC IS the best football conference and adding two powers. Big 10 not as Good - - Pac 12 not even in the picture
He talks about The NIL , saying that for an example Sophomore Bryce Young of Alabama hasn’t played a snap and is right at 7 figures of the NIL. He says every 4 * & 5 * player is looking to maximize the finanical potential not only in the NFL but also while in College and what better place then in the best Football Conference in America? - Gonna throw other conferences in turmoil & Scrambling to pick up the pieces.
It’s about to be ALL about the SEC then everybody else. As he said the NIL IS the future of recruiting.
Paul Finebaum who works for ESPN and also has ties to the SEC says he thinks this is something with Oklahoma and Texas is very far down the road & yes they will be in. Could be finalized very soon & done in the next couple of weeks. He talked about how he thinks there was some selective leaking about this trying to de-rail but not going to work
Big 12 Source says he thinks that talks between Oklahoma & Texas & the SEC have been going on for more then 6 months & a SEC member had been left out ( Texas A & M ) - but that about them being left out had been disputed by SEC .
Was mentioned that Texas & Oklahoma would have to forefit of upward of 76 million Each to buy out their remainder of the grant. Was brought up in the Article that the ACC had wanted to bring TExas and Oklahoma into the ACC -this caught them by surprise. - - -Things arer about to get REAL interesting a lot of change coming
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Let’s weigh all of the options for KU:
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Poaching other schools to make the Big 12 viable - Poaching schools like Colorado (wrong time zone), Iowa (doubtful they are interested, and even if they are, small population state for TV purposes), Nebraska (see Iowa issues), or Arkansas (same as Iowa and Nebraska, with the addition that they will want to be in a stronger baseball conference than the reimagined Big 12 can provide) has its issues. Looking through the grab bag of UCF, USF, Tulane, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis has some nice options, but again, no school that adds a significant fan base for TV purposes. The only way poaching works is if the Big 12 could somehow get Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, and Nebraska to add to West Virginia, Iowa State, KU, KSU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech and TCU. I doubt the B1G allows itself to be raided like that, but that’s the only truly viable option. I give this a 4/10 for viability. Not impossible, but unlikely, and you are still at risk from a TV perspective.
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Pursuing the SEC. This is a non-starter. KU is too weak in football to ever be competitive. It would strengthen basketball, but still falls short. Travel isn’t a huge issue, but KU costs would go up to travel to schools like Mississippi State, South Carolina and Tennessee regularly. 1/10 because the SEC is not interested.
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Pursuing the ACC. The ACC has a fairly large footprint at this point, up and down the East Coast. That probably makes expansion west difficult - the northernmost schools won’t want to add trips to the midwest to their travel schedule that already includes games in South Carolina, Georgia or Florida. Divisions would be a mess - KU would have two trips to North Carolina per year, a trip to Florida, etc. Is this workable? Maybe. Practical? Not really. 2/10
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Pursuing the Big 10. This is the best option. Adding KU and possibly UVa to the Big 10 gives them clear divisions for the first time in forever - KU, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana and Purdue on one side, with Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin. Some might say that the West is light on the football side (true right now), but that probably shifts over time, with those West schools able to eventually build up. And truthfully, other than Ohio State, the East isn’t actually that strong. This conference could stay together long term and the travel is manageable for everyone with those divisions. Traditional Big 10 rivalries are intact. The only issue is whether the Kansas legislature lets KU leave KSU behind. If KU is tied to KSU, both schools sink. If not, one can stay in a power conference. 7/10, mostly because the legislature could throw a wrench into things.
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Drop down from a major conference to a new midwest based basketball conference. This idea is basically a concession that KU football may never be anything more than a nightmare. Leave the P5 scene and focus on being a shaky football school in a conference with some configuration of KU, K-State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, Rice, and UAB. Footballwise, that’s a not quite P5 level conference, but with some good teams and coaches. But basketballwise, that conference is competitive, with a chance to regularly send 6-8 schools dancing. Because of football, revenues take a hit, but if you pick the right group of schools and travel is reasonable, it can work. I give this a 4/10 because its basically an admission of defeat, but it is the best fallback option.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
That’s total bullshit. You’re not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.
Ok, I’ll cite somebody who’s covered the SEC and is perhaps the most plugged in reporter in the conference. You’d think if Arky was super serious about killing the deal they’d maybe say something about it. https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1418598405237055488?s=20
We’ll see how the vote turns out. I do know the power brokers in Austin know how to light millions of dollars on fire for no appreciable results. Seems to be their specialty. All hat, no cattle (at least on the field), as your people say.
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@justanotherfan this basically is my view https://throughthephog.com/2016/10/19/big-12-collapses-ku-land/
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WHEW BOY BUCKLE UP https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418612094723821568?s=20
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So from what I’m reading just now from CBS Sports. Oklahoma and Texas plan to inform the Big 12 Monday of their intentions not to renew the contract.
Also the way I’m understanding that quite possibly that both schools would have to pay close to 80 million each if they wanted to join the SEC before 2025 when the current contract expires. If they pay those fee’s then they would start playing SEC in 2022 and wouldn’t have to wait - -as CBS stated it would avoid an ugly 4 year divorce from the Big 12 if they paid the 80 milion which they said if they would become members of the SEC the 80 million could be easily made up. So it’s likely this is the LAST year that these two are members of the Big 12
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
WHEW BOY BUCKLE UP https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418612094723821568?s=20
Welp if that turns out to be the case kind of discounts the theory of Arkansas Missouri & Texas A & M not wanting them huh ? - if this turns out 13-1 - I would say Texas A & M would be the ONE oh well
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So a few things on timing. OU and UT aren’t waiting until 2025. There’s enough money sloshing around to buy their rights back from the Big 12 ($76 million per school) and get them to the SEC for the 22-23 year. Now, if the Big 12 goes belly up after that the rights return to the schools, so it opens up a lane for KU to approach the B1G (who we’re aggressively lobbying) and PAC and say hey, there’s no buying out our media rights like the B1G had to with Maryland (to the tune of about $50m). So KU becomes more appealing than say, UVA, who has a 9 figure media rights deal with the ACC and even the B1G probably won’t touch that. So if things really speed up we could be in the B1G in 12 months.
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I could see more teams saying no if no had any sort of traction, but it doesn’t seem to. I’ve heard a lot of people throwing around a KU-Mizzou package to the B10, but that doesn’t seem likely if Mizzou is voting yes on adding OU-Texas.
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@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t looked into the conference’s GoR much. The ACC’s is through like the 2030’s though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it’s the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA’s buyout be less every year closer to the GoR’s end-of-term?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t looked into the conference’s GoR much. The ACC’s is through like the 2030’s though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it’s the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA’s buyout be less every year closer to the GoR’s end-of-term?
I believe so. I think it’s like most buyouts in the sense of you have to pay the remaining value on the deal. The ACC deal runs through 2035, so you’d have to pay 14 years worth of the deal to break it unless you negotiated some kind of settlement. Since the Big 12’s is only through 2025 (assuming the league survives) it’ll be much, much less. And honestly, Fox and ESPN will not be happy with a crippled Big 12, so my sense is they’ll try to get out of the Big 12 deal, which could make us “free agents” so to speak.
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@FarmerJayhawk That makes sense. Thanks
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I don’t know if this has already been posted, but it seems important so
