Kansas vs Duke Game Thread:



  • We got Moss’d.



  • FarmerJayhawk said:

    Look at it this way. If we turn it over ONLY 25 TIMES we win. My lord.

    Imagine if they cut that number in half.

    I actually don’t feel too terrible about this loss. Just kind of venting with some typing/verbal diarrhea.



  • Bosthawk said:

    We out shot them percentage wise, field goals, 3 point percentage, (yes they make 4 more total) and free throw percentage. Out rebounded them too by 10. One more block then the dookies, one more steal, even in assists. Turnovers - 11 more then them.

    All that ads to a loss. - -final Duke 68 KU -66 - -pretty hard to win when the opponent gets 11 more chances to score - -1st game - - NEXT



  • We will be much better with Moss. We will be hard to guard.



  • Had a pretty good 8 minute stretch at the beginning of the 2nd half



  • Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.



  • DanR said:

    Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.

    Career High and team leading 13 rebounds



  • @jayballer73 Yeah, I know. Just wish he would’ve kicked it out to a guard on that last board.



  • @jayballer73 padding his stats w/misses



  • Well, it’s nice to be old enough to know this game won’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. Honestly, we deserved to lose. But Duke really did too.



  • jayballer73 said:

    DanR said:

    Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.

    Career High and team leading 13 rebounds

    And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isnt 2010. Our bigs will get exposed on d all season.



  • @DanR Agreed. This is almost like a practice game. Good for the film room to teach. We will improve from this. We’ve seen some ugly openers in this thing in past years and recovered.



  • Devonte Graham scored 35 tonight in an overtime loss.



  • I think Silvio’s impact was greatly overstated. I’m sure he’s rusty but he didn’t show much of anything tonight. He might not see very many minutes.



  • BigBad said:

    jayballer73 said:

    DanR said:

    Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.

    Career High and team leading 13 rebounds

    And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isnt 2010. Our bigs will get exposed on d all season.

    Uhhh… we were lights out on defense… their only offense was our offense.



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    @jayballer73 padding his stats w/misses

    Or OR OR maybe - - just maybe rebounding other guys misses when we could actually get a shot up WITHOUT turning the ball over



  • BigBad said:

    jayballer73 said:

    DanR said:

    Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.

    Career High and team leading 13 rebounds

    And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isn’t 2010. Our Big’s will get exposed on d all season.

    if you notice and or Heard Self he said that he thought Dave did a pretty decent job in the open floor. - - having 2 Big’s - WAS NOT the reason we lost this game - - - believe that - -when the other team gets up 14 more shots then you because of your turnovers - -When your main Big man only get 4 shot attempts for the ENTIRE game and you lose by two - -IS NOT because of having two Big’s on the floor -that’s a pretty good AND?



  • jayballer73 said:

    BigBad said:

    jayballer73 said:

    DanR said:

    Not trying to pile on Dave, but just thinking back to some wasted possessions in the last 3 minutes… illegal screen, stupid bounce pass to Doke. Clanked followup on Garret’s miss. Love the dude, but not the guy I want involved in clutch time compared to pretty much anyone else on the team.

    Career High and team leading 13 rebounds

    And? If Self goes back to the 2 big lineup this team WILL NOT reach its potential. This isn’t 2010. Our Big’s will get exposed on d all season.

    if you notice and or Heard Self he said that he thought Dave did a pretty decent job in the open floor. - - having 2 Big’s - WAS NOT the reason we lost this game - - - believe that - -when the other team gets up 14 more shots then you because of your turnovers - -When your main Big man only get 4 shot attempts for the ENTIRE game and you lose by two - -IS NOT because of having two Big’s on the floor -that’s a pretty good AND?

    100% YES ABSOLUTELY



  • Idk a starting line-up with three guys that can’t shoot sure doesn’t help. That said we did see that bully ball can work, gotta clean up the TOs.



  • @BShark which 3, I got 4



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    @BShark which 3, I got 4

    Not giving up on Dot yet.



  • And we didn’t even have our best shooter.



  • I cooled down after a shower, I got a little heated there sorry folks. Just disappointed in the last few days here. Lost a game we thought would be a good one Saturday, then complete blow this game with turnovers. Rough week for the hawks.



  • kjayhawks said:

    I cooled down after a shower, I got a little heated there sorry folks. Just disappointed in the last few days here. Lost a game we thought would be a good one Saturday, then complete blow this game with turnovers. Rough week for the hawks.

    Saturday is on you a bit I think, though you are not alone, many got tricked. I expected KSU to roll as this is far from my first rodeo.



  • I’m not seeing the big improvement of Dave. You guys?



  • @BShark I wouldn’t say I was bold enough to predict victory, just wanted a game in a packed house. I never saw 28 turnovers coming tonight tho. Not with with Dook have freshman. It like the roles were flipped tonight. We played like freshman especially in transition.



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    I’m not seeing the big improvement of Dave. You guys?

    One game and he barely played last year. I think he will be fine but we have too many 5s. I think both him and Doke would do better as the lone true post player.



  • @Crimsonorblue22 I thought he was okay, had a couple bad turnovers on a night that everyone wearing blue did as well. I love how strong he is on the glass. He needs to stop shooting jumpers if he can’t hit them tho, his shot reminds me of Cole Aldrich behind the head ugliness.



  • Crimsonorblue22 said:

    I’m not seeing the big improvement of Dave. You guys?

    Oh I see it. Can’t teach his motor. He’s just a bit late on a lot of plays now where even thinking of making the pass wouldn’t cross his mind a year ago.



  • @FarmerJayhawk What do you make of the Silvio situation? Seems like Bill is pissed at him.



  • @BShark he even stated that, not pissed but you know



  • BShark said:

    @FarmerJayhawk What do you make of the Silvio situation? Seems like Bill is pissed at him.

    Honestly I think Silvio is playing like a true freshman. He made some super effort plays but wasn’t that sound. 4 boards in 7 minutes is awesome. Good FT shooter. But missed some bunnies (0-3 shooting) and just never got in rhythm. Needs reps between Friday and legit games in Maui.



  • Silvio just doesn’t add anything that Doke and Dave don’t already do. Everyone kept talking about how he was developing this mid range jumper but we didn’t see it. He couldn’t finish around the rim and doesn’t hustle as much as Dave. Right now he is clearly #3 in that rotation if we go to 4 guards. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if he only plays 10-15 MPG at this point.





  • Bill, “I think we made easy plays difficult.” Exactly. Not like we played out of our skulls and lost. We threw our D game and lost by 2. Probably played a B+ game on defense and a F——- on offense. We raise the offense to a D and we win by 10.



  • FarmerJayhawk said:

    And we didn’t even have our best shooter.

    Yeah where was Moss?



  • @chriz hamstring pull. Self said he’s only practiced one day since he started here.



  • I don’t think a 2-point loss to a good Duke team is going to ruin the season. We have a lot of things we can work on and a lot of things we can get better at. I believe we can get to April if we can avoid turning the ball over 28 times in a game.

    On to the next game. Let’s learn from this and keep getting better.



  • A lot of time over the next three games to get healthy, correct some stuff and try to figure out rotations.



  • Lol Illinois most to Nicholls at home. CC: Adam Miller



  • The bread and butter of 2 bigs and selfs high low was predicated in having a 4 that could at least shoot to 15 feet. None of the 3 bigs can do that. The reason doke didn’t get many shots is because there wasn’t room. Nobody respects our 4s range and if Garrett is in with them forget it. This team need to go 4 and 1 and rotate the 3 bigs. I guarantee we evolve that way.



  • How I miss the clutch guys… Devonte Graham, Frank Mason III, Cole Aldrich, Jeff Withey and Thomas Robinson.

    I don’t know whether to view tonight’s game as glass half full (27 turnovers and only lost by 2) or glass half empty (27 turnovers represents our skill level)



  • @bskeet We turned it over 28 times and only lost by 2 to a pretty good team. I’m going with glass half full. Turnovers can be corrected.



  • I feel like we had 6 or 7 turnovers in transition. A could of times Ochai had an easy layup or dunk that he passed away.



  • kjayhawks said:

    I feel like we had 6 or 7 turnovers in transition. A could of times Ochai had an easy layup or dunk that he passed away.

    Ochai is a bad passer and Dotson low key isn’t too great at it.



  • This team has to go with the 4 best shooters and Doke period. Aside from Dotson leading like Frank or Devonte, how fast Enaruna can gain Self’s trust may be the most important element to this team.



  • @KirkIsMyHinrich “turnovers can be corrected”

    I hope you’re right. The turnovers I saw last night were stupid and I’ve always heard you can’t fix stupid.



  • @nuleafjhawk that’s the trouble with yes Dooks pressure was good but so many of them were grade school type of plays.



  • We were out-coached in this one. We didn’t come prepared, and we have enough experienced players that we should have been better prepared.

    We should have had more plays to work from so the game would have been better scripted to beat a defense that was allowed to completely overplay the passing lanes and double down on Doke.

    For example, if we are going to count on some form of a hi-lo then we need to isolate Doke. Make it much harder for him to get doubled. Heck, Duke was doing that to us and they almost fouled out Doke.

    We all know both David and Silvio are weak on perimeter defense. They can compensate by playing out tighter to use ball denial. And if they play out tight, if their man drives past them he will have to face Doke in the paint.

    Funny that we played a game where our guys played tentative, trying not to make a mistake, and that style actually pushed them into more mistakes. The way to beat aggressive defense is to attack it. So we would drive the ball and blow by defenders then immediately stop and pick up the ball and then get pinched. That made no sense at all. Our guards need to finish at the rim after they blow by. Marcus was the only one that understood that.

    Except for a few minutes in the second half, Duke controlled this game and deserved to win.

    This isn’t a team that will do well playing free style. This team will need to run more off a script. The good news is that we have the personnel to be very effective off a script.

    The loss may help us more than if we scored 4 more points and won a nail-biter. Keep building chip!



  • @drgnslayr I’m not a basketball guru - just a fan, but I’ve always felt like we’re a better team without Doke in the lineup. His turnovers and lack of FT shooting ability really hamstring us. I have nothing against him, he seems like a super nice kid, I just think he’s a terrible basketball player. Every time he matches up against another 7 footer (or close) he gets embarrassed.


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